"Grace alone " is a big excuse for lazy Christians

[Natsumi Lam]

A child that has his hand in the cookie jar when he has been told that he had enough needs grace but the one that listens and obeys does not need grace

Unfortunately...we always need grace..

Please provide a verse that supports your statement. You statement seems off.

 

[Jonaitis]

I observed that many Christians are very lazy nowadays.

They prefer doing nothing for Jesus and said that "Grace alone " "we are not saved by Work ".

Then everyone is in idol mode to wait to go to Heaven.

Laziness is a big sin.

Moralism has never made a Christian, I'll tell you that. Grace does though.

True fruit from a Christian flows from grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Only abiding in the vine may the branches bear fruit, for without the vine we can do nothing.

Good trees bear good fruit, and bad trees bear bad fruit. Change the tree and the fruit will correspond.

Believers, true ones at that by grace alone, inevitably become obedient. It would be a lie in the face to say you wholly trust in the atoning blood of Christ and his salvific work as your own and still walk in a life of unbelief.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

The truth is that because Jesus died for us on the cross, when we receive Him as Saviour, there are no longer any rules for living.

What? This doesnt sound biblical that we nolonger have rules. Once salvation..it is about relationship...wrong doing against the Word and the leading of the HS.... undermines that relationship.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Moralism has never made a Christian, I'll tell you that. Grace does though.

True fruit from a Christian flows from grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Only abiding in the vine may the branches bear fruit, for without the vine we can do nothing.

Good trees bear good fruit, and bad trees bear bad fruit. Change the tree and the fruit will correspond.

Believers, true ones at that by grace alone, inevitably become obedient. It would be a lie in the face to say you wholly trust in the atoning blood of Christ and his salvific work as your own and still walk in a life of unbelief.

Paul said that because we live in the Spirit, we should walk in the Spirit.

 

[timothyu]

Are you sure you can identify who is a Christian and who isn't?

The kind spoken of in the OP do often stand out, all messenger while ignoring the message.

 

[Rescued One]

Jesus said:

John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[BBAS 64]

I observed that many Christians are very lazy nowadays.

They prefer doing nothing for Jesus and said that "Grace alone " "we are not saved by Work ".

Then everyone is in idol mode to wait to go to Heaven.

Laziness is a big sin.

Good Day, Johnny

So you observe and that makes it so?

You believe you alone hold the objective reality of what constitutes " lazy christians" or just laziness on the part of people in general?

In Him,

Bill

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Grace is what forgives a person for sins prior to baptism.

Rom 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Rom 3:25 - whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

Grace is favor, mercy is unmerited favor, Christ is who grants unmerited favor in accordance with the will of the Father.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Grace alone " is a big excuse for lazy Christians

I understand what you are saying, an in a certain sense, that is very true. It just depends on what exactly you mean by "lazy". they don't do as much as they could, they do pretty much nothing, and what things are they lazy about, or do they do one but not the other? whatever the case, I think Jesus will sort all that out in the end.

One thing for certain, after reading the parable on the Sheep and the Goats, it's 100% clear to me, there is a very bad outcome for those who are too lazy to do the things mentioned in the parable, the very reason Jesus made special mention of, and went out of his way to make that fact perfectly clear.

It's undeniable.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Jesus said:

John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

That's right. We keep the commandments of Jesus because we do love him, and not as a set of rules to be accepted by Him. We desire and work toward holiness because we are already saved and accepted by God through the cross of Christ. Those who try to keep the commandments of Christ to be justified and accepted by God are treading the cross of Christ underfoot and bringing a curse on themselves.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Grace is what gives us the ability to participate in the worship and works that God calls us to do as Christians.

 

[frogoon234]

I observed that many Christians are very lazy nowadays.

They prefer doing nothing for Jesus and said that "Grace alone " "we are not saved by Work ".

Then everyone is in idol mode to wait to go to Heaven.

Laziness is a big sin.

Laziness is a big sin depending on how lazy a person is. The Bible says the quality of a person's mansion in heaven will be based on their faithfulness here on earth. Exactly how hard a person has to work to get a great mansion with in Jesus's house is hard to predict here on earth. Jesus said "fear not for there are many mansions in my father's house". To call some one lazy is one thing but to think they can lose their salvation based on a particular person's view on the extent of the accused person's laziness seems absurd to me.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If trusting in Jesus makes me "lazy", then crown me the king of lazy. I'll wear it gladly.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[timothyu]

Grace is what gives us the ability to participate in the worship and works that God calls us to do as Christians.

Yes, putting God's will before our own and loving all as self. Calling those two commandments works and ignoring them is the laziness often applied. Politically advantageous though.

 

[klutedavid]

I observed that many Christians are very lazy nowadays.

They prefer doing nothing for Jesus and said that "Grace alone " "we are not saved by Work ".

Then everyone is in idol mode to wait to go to Heaven.

Laziness is a big sin.

You may need to learn to be more encouraging rather than just being critical of others. Love is the goal of the Christian instruction and as such we gently correct if that ever becomes necessary.

Gentleness, kindness, be patient with everyone.
Criticism will make you unpopular and no one will ever listen to you.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Father God was lazy on the seventh day of creation, Jesus revealed later, He didn't even need to sleep, He did it as a good example to us. Laziness is like a form of grace, enjoying life is actually part of the reason God gave us one. Those who have no laziness, are totally rebelling against God.

 

[timothyu]

Gentleness, kindness, be patient with everyone.
Criticism will make you unpopular and no one will ever listen to you.

How do you deal with those who take affront to any thinking that differs from theirs and immediately goes into attack mode? Quite common with politically and denominationally obsessed. The meek in these cases, often inherit at the hands of others, more than Jesus promised. lol

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How do you deal with those who take affront to any thinking that differs from theirs and immediately goes into attack mode? Quiter common among politically and denominational obsessed.

ATTACK!!! ... with gentleness .... see? I have puffy gloves!

 

[friend of]

I will never not need the Grace of God.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That's right. We keep the commandments of Jesus because we do love him, and not as a set of rules to be accepted by Him. We desire and work toward holiness because we are already saved and accepted by God through the cross of Christ. Those who try to keep the commandments of Christ to be justified and accepted by God are treading the cross of Christ underfoot and bringing a curse on themselves.

I'd say that not all we need to be concerned about, it is because we love him but what about those who sincerely think, because the "said" they love him what they do is enough? And know this isn't just directed towards you, that's something we hear all the time and is even true to a point, but Jesus knows man well enough to know he had to be specific. If everyone kept to what you claim, why would Christ even bother with the parable of the Sheep/Goats where he goes further and is specific. He could just as well said, "Oh they love me or think they love me so that's all need be said", but he cares for even those that might misunderstand enough to be clear. Saying we love him and doing what we "think" is all we need to do, may not be enough, so he gets very specific about it in the parable, as if to say: "The bottom line, no matter what we may think, tell ourselves, say, or what we have heard, and so you are very clear on this, you do the things I'm telling you you must do here, or quite literally, to Hell with you."

That is a rule/law, call it what you will, that must be followed.

Same with the commandments, we have basic rules that we need to be sincere about trying to follow, and he was specific about those laws as well, just as he was about any add on rules. If we love him we will keep them, so if we think we love him but don't do those things, that is the very reason for warnings like the following scripture. Also, there are lists throughout the NT that contain add ons or derivatives of the commandments plus they mention the commandments yet again to be very clear exactly what those rules are.

In short, the following scripture is effectively stating we must do good in general, or that there are rules, and the mentioned lists make the rules clear because Jesus wants no confusion on the issue. And I assume that's because the issue is often confused by men, especially those that claim we can be as lazy as we like with everything, even what the Goats were lazy with, and still make heaven..

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.