He that is unjust, let him be unjust still

[The Parson]

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Ever wonder what this means? Do you think that in this juncture in prophecy, that the Lord is saying, "OK, you want to stay the way you are, go right ahead! This prophecy isn't sealed."

And look at the sixth word to the fifteenth; "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book". Isaiah had the "same" prophetic words, except the prophecy is sealed;
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the "law" among my disciples.
and also:
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the "words of a book" that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: Do you see it? Revelation 22, prophecy not sealed. Isaiah 8 & 29, prophecy "sealed".

Sealed = Protected, preserved, untouchable!

Do I have anyone's attention?

 

[Dave-W]

Sealed = Protected, preserved, untouchable!

Sealed = not revealed to men. Unknowable.

Daniel 12:4
But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

Daniel 12:9
He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.​

 

[The Parson]

Sealed = not revealed to men. Unknowable.

Daniel 12:4
But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

Daniel 12:9
He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.​

OK, I'll take that definition also. So since you mentioned Daniel, in 7:25, what's your take on what's being said?
Dn:7:25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall vex the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[Stranger36147]

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still....

Reminds me of this song. Revelation 22:11 is quoted in this song.

 

[Dave-W]

OK, I'll take that definition also. So since you mentioned Daniel, in 7:25, what's your take on what's being said?
Dn:7:25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall vex the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The description of wearing down the saints of the Most High is a description of the work of the Antichrist, both the spirit and the man.

As to the rest, that seems to be either sealed up (to be revealed at the end) or is as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 13: we see thru a glass dimly ....

 

[The Parson]

The description of wearing down the saints of the Most High is a description of the work of the Antichrist, both the spirit and the man.

As to the rest, that seems to be either sealed up (to be revealed at the end) or is as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 13: we see thru a glass dimly ....

Exactly. It was hard for them to see the fulfillment because the glass in front of them at that time was like a smoked glass, hiding many of the details. But in the end, we can see that prophesy being fulfilled, but some will accept it, some wont.
Do you believe we're seeing the spirit of anti-Christ working today more than ever?

 

[Dave-W]

Yes antichrist (the spirit) is very active today.

But "that which is perfect" has NOT come yet so we are still seeing darkly thru a smoky glass.

 

[The Parson]

Yes antichrist (the spirit) is very active today.

But "that which is perfect" has NOT come yet so we are still seeing darkly thru a smoky glass.

That which is perfect as quoted from 1 cor. 13 isn't the Lord, it's the scriptures that are completed imho. But that's neither here, nor there. I'm not wanting to debate that.

I was hoping to stay with the Old testament prophecy that related directly to the end of days. Daniel 7:25 to be more precise.

Antichrist would think to change laws (the scriptures) and times (history). And then it says that it will be given to him to do just that. Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall vex the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[eleos1954]

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Ever wonder what this means? Do you think that in this juncture in prophecy, that the Lord is saying, "OK, you want to stay the way you are, go right ahead! This prophecy isn't sealed."

And look at the sixth word to the fifteenth; "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book". Isaiah had the "same" prophetic words, except the prophecy is sealed;
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the "law" among my disciples.
and also:
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the "words of a book" that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: Do you see it? Revelation 22, prophecy not sealed. Isaiah 8 & 29, prophecy sealed.

Sealed = Protected, preserved, untouchable!

Do I have anyone's attention?

When revelation was given to John it was not to be a sealed book

Revelation 22:11 - Is describing the state of people when Jesus returns. That is He sees .... everyone has made their decision for Him or not and He returns.

I think Isaiah 29:11 & Isaiah 8:16 is in reference to Daniel 12:4 being the sealed book. That's the way it shows up in the concordance anyways.

The time-related prophecies in Daniel have taken place, so it is now unsealed .... we are living in the last days ... how long is it until the Lord returns? Nobody knows. There are some "events" yet to unfold ... but they can happen at any time. ie can not buy or sell ... anti-christ showing up etc.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

When I read "Let the [unrighteous/filthy/righteous/holy] remain [unrighteous/filthy/righteous/holy] ", I understand it as God saying "Don't try to change people. Reason, debate, teach, share my Word, but it's only my Spirit that can do the miracle of conversion."

 

[The Parson]

When I read "Let the [unrighteous/filthy/righteous/holy] remain [unrighteous/filthy/righteous/holy] ", I understand it as God saying "Don't try to change people. Reason, debate, teach, share my Word, but it's only my Spirit that can do the miracle of conversion."

Hm, interesting. So then if I am a preacher (which I am), and I want to point out scripture (prophecy) being fulfilled, I might as well not? No, don't think so. I would think it's the mindset of those that have blinded themselves to the word with their own doctrines.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[The Parson]

Revelation 22:11 - Is describing the state of people when Jesus returns. That is He sees .... everyone has made their decision for Him or not and He returns.

There you go. Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

 

[eleos1954]

There you go. Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Yes and also I found this.

Revelation 22

11 Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.” 12“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.

 

[The Parson]

Yes, no doubt about that. Sooooooo, with that established, is the prophecy in Daniel 7 true or false?

 

[eleos1954]

Yes, no doubt about that. Sooooooo, with that established, is the prophecy in Daniel 7 true or false?

All of Gods Word is true ... there are of course different interpretations ... can you be more specific in regard to Daniel 7?

 

[The Parson]

All of Gods Word is true ... there are of course different interpretations ... can you be more specific in regard to Daniel 7?

I can and will. It's going to take a bit and I have to go to work. I'll post again when I get back.

 

[The Parson]

All of Gods Word is true ... there are of course different interpretations ... can you be more specific in regard to Daniel 7?

Well, in a nutshell, we don't know exactly when this is to take place. Or better yet begin taking place. The Mandela Effect is being touted as the cause of what people are seeing as changes to the scriptures. Actually, this ME thingy is more than likely the result, and not the cause of the Daniel 7:25 thing. Do you get that? It's the result, and not the reason.

I have to admit that I see it. I honestly do. And before you get the pitchforks out and run me out on a rail. Hear me out. In an older thread, I couldn't resist picking up where the OP left off. It was on the Mandela Effect. My first post in it was "

"Anyone care to hear the take on this from a former KJV onlyist/apologist

I went on to give my background:

I've been a preacher for decades and an apologist since the mid 1990's. Being all through the scriptures as I have, I do have an intimate relationship with the scriptures. More specifically with the King James Bible. No answer would ever come from me unless it came from the scriptures.

And being the son of a preacher, who was also the son of a preacher, who again was the son of a preacher up to five generations, I've been exposed to the scriptures all my life. Memorizing scripture since early childhood. I know/knew it well as I know my own face in a mirror.

And when I say that there has been a change, I don't say it lightly. I'm not one whose cheese has slipped off his cracker. Neither has my son, who is now the 6th generation of Gospel preachers. He see's them clearly as well.

This thread is at The Bible Has Changed (Moved)

I went on to give some or rather a few examples of my own findings.
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall "make" you free. (KJV as it is)
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall "set" you free. (KJV as it was)

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall "wear out" the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV as it is)
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall "vex" the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV as it was)

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the "wicked". (KJV as it is)
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the "devil". (KJV as it was)

Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat." They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord. (KJV as it is)
Isaiah 65:25 "The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord. (KJV as it was)

I then said:

These are only a few of the multiple changes that "have" taken place. And not only trusting my memory, I have residue proof. God is the only One who can do things perfect. The devil, not so much, so there is residue.

And I do have proof of the residue.

So, do you think the cheese has slipped off my cracker, or are we seeing Daniel 7:25 coming into fruition?

 

[eleos1954]

Well, in a nutshell, we don't know exactly when this is to take place. Or better yet begin taking place. The Mandela Effect is being touted as the cause of what people are seeing as changes to the scriptures. Actually, this ME thingy is more than likely the result, and not the cause of the Daniel 7:25 thing. Do you get that? It's the result, and not the reason.

I have to admit that I see it. I honestly do. And before you get the pitchforks out and run me out on a rail. Hear me out. In an older thread, I couldn't resist picking up where the OP left off. It was on the Mandela Effect. My first post in it was "

I went on to give my background:

This thread is at The Bible Has Changed (Moved)

I went on to give some or rather a few examples of my own findings.
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall "make" you free. (KJV as it is)
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall "set" you free. (KJV as it was)

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall "wear out" the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV as it is)
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall "vex" the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV as it was)

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the "wicked". (KJV as it is)
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the "devil". (KJV as it was)

Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat." They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord. (KJV as it is)
Isaiah 65:25 "The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord. (KJV as it was)

I then said:
And I do have proof of the residue.

So, do you think the cheese has slipped off my cracker, or are we seeing Daniel 7:25 coming into fruition?

In looking at english translations it seems many "changes" became most apparent from about the year 2000 to present. I think the "driving" reason are the copyright laws.

I look and compare various translations but in the end I go to the Lexicons.

Regarding Daniel 7:25 - This already happened.

7:20-25 “The ten horns” of the beasts, like the feet of iron mixed with clay in Daniel 2, predicted that the Roman Empire would fragment into ten parts. Barbarian tribes invaded the empire’s territory from the north and east and eventually became the nations of modern Europe.

The Antichrist power:

1. Would arise after the ten. (vs.24)
2. Would arise among the ten. (vs.8)
3. It would conquer 3 of the 10. (vs.24)
4. It would be different from the 10. (vs.24)
5. It was to be a leading power in Europe. (vs.24,25)
6. It would speak against God. (vs.25)
7. It would persecute the saints. (vs.25)
8. It would change times and laws. (vs.25)
9. It would reign for 1260 years. (vs.25)

Most protestants would agree that these indicators point towards the Papacy.

The world has been and is in chaos and will continue in chaos until the Lord returns ... nothing new.

Ecclesiastes 1

8All things are wearisome,
more than one can describe;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear content with hearing.
9What has been will be again,
and what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

10Is there a case where one can say,
“Look, this is new”?
It has already existed
in the ages before us.

 

[The Parson]

Regarding Daniel 7:25 - This already happened.

Yours is a preterist belief. Isn't it?

 

[eleos1954]

Yours is a preterist belief. Isn't it?

nope - is the viewpoint held by many many many of the original protestant reformists.