Here it is: The Mueller report is out.

[FreeinChrist]

same link:

Mueller: Congress still has ability to find the President obstructed justice


In special counsel Robert Mueller's report, the team writes that:

"With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice."​

 

[Always in His Presence]

the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges against the President's aides and associates beyond those already filed," the report said.

Truth

 

[FreeinChrist]

Barr vs. Trump on Russian hacking

Barr vs. Trump on Russian hacking

From CNN's Marshall Cohen

Attorney General William Barr gave a full endorsement of special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment against Russians hackers.

This puts him at odds with President Trump, who has never unequivocally accepted the conclusions from US intelligence agencies that the Russian government was responsible. Trump even questioned those conclusions while standing next to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Helsinki summit last year.

Here’s what Barr said:

"The report details efforts by Russian military officials associated with the GRU to hack into computers and steal documents and emails from individuals affiliated with the Democratic Party and the presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton for the purpose of eventually publicizing those emails. Obtaining such unauthorized access into computers is a federal crime. Following a thorough investigation of these hacking operations, the Special Counsel brought charges in federal court against several Russian military officers for their respective roles in these illegal hacking activities."
Over the years, Trump has speculated that the hackers could have been working for the Chinese government, other countries, or even some random person "sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds."

He has also suggested -- in June 2016 -- that the Democratic National Committee hadn't been hacked at all, and in fact conjured the story itself after the party's research on Trump was purportedly sent to journalists by a hacker.

"We believe it was the DNC that did the 'hacking' as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. Too bad the DNC doesn't hack Hillary Clinton's 33,000 missing emails," he said at the time.
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[FreeinChrist]

Truth

But they aren't clean.

 

[Always in His Presence]

same link:

Mueller: Congress still has ability to find the President obstructed justice


In special counsel Robert Mueller's report, the team writes that:

"With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice."​

And what actions were done?

Zero.

 

[PeachyKeane]

All this consternation over a word.

Did the President or his team participate an collusion. No

Did the president or his team break any laws. No

I understand those on the left had their hopes and dreams attached to this report and are now going through mental exercises trying their n desperation to save their reputations and hopes of impeachment, but beating this dead horse will not make it rise and run.

You know your guy holds the moral high ground when the bar is set at "he didn't break the law because his subordinates wouldn't carry out his orders."

 

[Always in His Presence]

But they aren't clean.

Nothing chargeable equates to ———- what legal term.

Innocent or guilty?

 

[LoAmmi]

Nothing chargeable equates to ———- what legal term.

Innocent or guilty?

Neither.

 

[PeachyKeane]

And what actions were done?

Zero.

Maybe you should read it before jumping into defiantly hopeful speculation.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Nothing chargeable equates to ———- what legal term.

Innocent or guilty?

They aren't clean. They should have reported the contacts to the FBI. They did not. Just because the evidence was not there to prove without a doubt they conspired does not mean they are so innocent.

Of course, ignorance or a disregard for the law could have been the problem on their part.

 

[archer75]

No evidence of collusion from anyone

No obstruction.

No kidding.

Sound like being exonerated to me.

Exoneration defines as the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication.

Have you read any of it yet? It says that his attempts at obstruction failed because other people refused to do what he told them?

 

[NotreDame]

All this consternation over a word.

Did the President or his team participate an collusion. No

Did the president or his team break any laws. No

I understand those on the left had their hopes and dreams attached to this report and are now going through mental exercises trying their n desperation to save their reputations and hopes of impeachment, but beating this dead horse will not make it rise and run.

You are reaching too far. Trump may have obstructed justice. Trump may not have obstructed justice. The evidence is susceptible to reasonable interpretations for both AND various pieces of evidence appear incriminating and entirely innocent.

It is illogical to conclude, as you do, Trump did not obstruct justice when the evidence reasonably supports he did and he did not.

The larger political implication is given the ambiguity of the evidence regarding obstruction, I think Dems in the House and Senate may commit political immolation should they seek to impeach Trump on the theory he obstructed justice.

 

[Goonie]

‘Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency.....’ yep the words of someone completely innocent!

 

[JosephZ]

And what actions were done?

Zero.

You might want to read more of the report. Mueller has found a sufficient amount of evidence of wrong doing, and is basically leaving everything up to congress on what to do about it. Just what I have read of the report so far, it's safe to say that Nixon didn't do half the things Trump did to obstruct justice.

 

[Sparagmos]

No evidence of collusion from anyone

No obstruction.

No kidding.

Sound like being exonerated to me.

Exoneration defines as the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication.

I’ll take Muellers word over yours.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I’ll take Muellers word over yours.

Those were Muellers words.

 

[Goonie]

Those were Muellers words.

I’m sure you can find them individually in the report.

 

[Sparagmos]

Those were Muellers words.

That is not true, Mueller did not say Trump was exonerated. Far from it. Are you claiming you were quoting Mueller?

 

[NotreDame]

Nothing chargeable equates to ———- what legal term.

Innocent or guilty?

Nothing chargeable equates to ———- what legal term.

I know. Let the assistant district attorney tell you. "Nothing chargeable" does not equate to "innocent" or "no crime committed." "Nothing chargeable" equates to, inter alia, not enough evidence for the charge. But a lack of evidence for some proposition is not evidence rationally supporting the opposite proposition. Your argument is nothing more than since there is a lack of evidence showing Trump did not obstruct justice, then Trump did not obstruct justice. Similarly rephrased as since it cannot be shown, demonstrated, or proven Trump obstructed justice, then Trump did not obstruct justice. That form of reasoning underlying your argument is also known as the fallacy of appealing to ignorance. (I am not calling you ignorant. The reasoning you are using is recognized as a formal fallacy known as appealing to ignorance).

 

[FreeinChrist]

Mueller says Trump's public acts can be considered obstruction