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First real image of a black hole

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What blows me away with all of this is how Soundgarden was able to predict the image of a black hole with their album cover for Superunkown, 25 years ago!

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Another interesting tidbit... This is the same album that features their hit song, Black Hole Sun.

Here's the video for it that I vividly remember being completely terrified of when I was a kid.

 
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Very cool!

Haters gonna say it's fake.
Looks like the race is on to be the first to develop a credible load of rubbish over at the delusional Electric Universe HQ!
(The leading contenders there seem to be working on casting stones at the way the imaging data has been integrated ... all without the slightest understanding of how it was done of course).
 
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I'd really like to see some long term movies (minutes/hours/days/weeks/years) of the black hole. If they had to physically ship the hard drives physically because of the size of the data, they must have more than a single image of the object.

What happens when they turn up the contrast?
 
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I'd really like to see some long term movies (minutes/hours/days/weeks/years) of the black hole. If they had to physically ship the hard drives physically because of the size of the data, they must have more than a single image of the object.

What happens when they turn up the contrast?


The *noise* in the data is huge. While I'm sure there is more to be found in it, I suspect what they have done so far is analyze for the most probable and most reliable data that can be separated from the noise. It would be great if you can independently analyze the data, but -- it won't be easy.

First you will need to get a whole bunch of hard drives, and get the raw data copied onto it. Then you will have to explore algorithms for filtering programs. Perhaps, after reading their papers, you could accept some of what they did, with reliability checks of your own, of course. If you are able to analyze the data fairly and honestly, you will provide a real service to mankind, perhaps reinforcing some of the results and questioning others. I wish you well if you try it.
 
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I'd really like to see some long term movies (minutes/hours/days/weeks/years) of the black hole. If they had to physically ship the hard drives physically because of the size of the data, they must have more than a single image of the object.

What happens when they turn up the contrast?
Here is a good video explaining why the image is fuzzy.
 
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The *noise* in the data is huge. While I'm sure there is more to be found in it, I suspect what they have done so far is analyze for the most probable and most reliable data that can be separated from the noise. It would be great if you can independently analyze the data, but -- it won't be easy.

First you will need to get a whole bunch of hard drives, and get the raw data copied onto it. Then you will have to explore algorithms for filtering programs. Perhaps, after reading their papers, you could accept some of what they did, with reliability checks of your own, of course. If you are able to analyze the data fairly and honestly, you will provide a real service to mankind, perhaps reinforcing some of the results and questioning others. I wish you well if you try it.

I think the data storage needs alone are a bit beyond my personal capacity to analyze. I was hoping they'd do the heavy lifting. :) In that last movie that SpiritualBeing cited, they talk about a rotation cycle of two days, and suggest that they have enough information to know that it rotates clockwise. I'd assume they have a longer movie, or quite a few more images in order to determine those types of things. It would have been nice to see a bit more of what they must already have.
 
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This video does a great job of explaining what we are seeing in the image.

And it was made before the picture came out. It is an example of theory being confirmed. The present theory predicted that we would see what we ended up seeing. That is always very pleasing to scientists.
 
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According to the internet, the most important aspects of this are that a woman lead the project, that there were men in the project as well and that there were too many white people.
 
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According to the internet, the most important aspects of this are that a woman lead the project, that there were men in the project as well and that there were too many white people.

I suspect that the genetic and gender makeup of the team is pretty indicative and reflective of the makeup of astrophysicists in general.
 
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The black hole looks to me like it's smiling. A happy and glowing, disembodied smile. It's saying "Welcome to my world! So glad you came. You'll like it here so much, you'll never leave." :oldthumbsup:
When that galaxy suddenly starts changing course and moves in our direction, we can get a few better pictures.
 
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I just saw a documentary about how they did this - they had to use hydrogen maser atomic clocks at each telescope to synchronise the data collection via very long baseline interferometry (VLBI).

Using such widely distributed telescopes meant they had to compensate for the rotation of the Earth; for the movement of the Hawaii observatory due to plate tectonics; for the movement of the Antarctic observatory due to drifting of the ice shelf; and for all of them, they had to compensate - to differing degrees - for the tidal distortion of the Earth due to the moon...

They collected 5 petabytes of data in 1,200 helium-filled hard drives with no backups. This was too much to transmit over the internet, so they physically transported them across the world from each telescope to the datacentre for processing, which took over two years.

An extraordinary achievement.
 
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This is what a black hole looks like.

A world-spanning network of telescopes called the Event Horizon Telescope zoomed in on the supermassive monster in the galaxy M87 to create this first-ever picture of a black hole.

“We have seen what we thought was unseeable. We have seen and taken a picture of a black hole,” Sheperd Doeleman, EHT Director and astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., said April 10 in Washington, D.C., at one of seven concurrent news conferences. The results were also published in six papers in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

“We’ve been studying black holes so long, sometimes it’s easy to forget that none of us have actually seen one,” France Cordova, director of the National Science Foundation, said in the Washington, D.C., news conference. Seeing one “is a Herculean task,” she said.

That's because black holes are notoriously hard to see. Their gravity is so extreme that nothing, not even light, can escape across the boundary at a black hole's edge, known as the event horizon. But some black holes, especially supermassive ones dwelling in galaxies’ centers, stand out by voraciously accreting bright disks of gas and other material. The EHT image reveals the shadow of M87’s black hole on its accretion disk. Appearing as a fuzzy, asymmetrical ring, it unveils for the first time a dark abyss of one of the universe’s most mysterious objects.

“That’s fantastic,” says physicist Clifford Will of the University of Florida in Gainesville who is not on the EHT team. “Being able to actually see this shadow and to detect it is a tremendous first step.”

The image aligns with expectations of what a black hole should look like based on Einstein’s general theory of relativity, which predicts how spacetime is warped by the extreme mass of a black hole. The picture is “one more strong piece of evidence supporting the existence of black holes. And that, of course, helps verify general relativity,” Will says.

Earlier studies have tested general relativity by looking at the motions of stars (SN: 8/18/18, p. 12) or gas clouds(SN: 11/24/18, p. 16) near a black hole, but never at its edge. “It’s as good as it gets,” Will says. Tiptoe any closer and you’d be inside the black hole — unable to report back on the results of any experiments.

“Black hole environments are a likely place where general relativity would break down,” says EHT team member Feryal Özel, an astrophysicist at the University of Arizona in Tucson. So testing general relativity in such extreme conditions could reveal deviations from Einstein’s predictions.

Just because this first image upholds general relativity "doesn’t mean general relativity is completely fine,” she says. Many physicists think that general relativity won’t be the last word on gravity because it’s incompatible with another essential physics theory, quantum mechanics, which describes physics on very small scales.

The image also provides a new measurement of the black hole’s size and heft. “Our mass determination by just directly looking at the shadow has helped resolve a longstanding controversy,” Sera Markoff, a theoretical astrophysicist at the University of Amsterdam, said in the Washington, D.C., news conference. Estimates made using different techniques have ranged between 3.5 billion and 7.22 billion times the mass of the sun. But new the EHT measurements show that its mass is about 6.5 billion solar masses.

The team has also determined the behemoth’s size — its diameter stretches 38 billion kilometers — and that the black hole spins clockwise. “M87 is a monster even by supermassive black hole standards,” Sera said.

EHT trained its sights on both M87’s black hole and Sagittarius A*, the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way. But, it turns out, it was easier to image M87’s monster. That black hole is more than 50 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Virgo, about 2,000 times as far as Sgr A*. But it’s also about 1,000 times as massive as the Milky Way’s giant, which weighs the equivalent of roughly 4 million suns. That extra heft nearly balances out M87’s distance. “The size in the sky is pretty darn similar,” says EHT team member Feryal Özel.

Due to its gravitational oomph, gases swirling around M87’s black hole move and vary in brightness more slowly than they do around the Milky Way’s. “During a single observation, Sgr A* doesn’t sit still, whereas M87 does,” says Özel, an astrophysicist at the University of Arizona in Tucson. “Just based on this ‘Does the black hole sit still and pose for me?’ point of view, we knew M87 would cooperate more.”

After more data analysis, the team hopes to solve some long-standing mysteries about black holes, such as how M87’s behemoth spews a bright jet of charged particles thousands of light-years into space.

This first image is like the “shot heard round the world” that kicked off the American Revolutionary War, says Harvard University astrophysicist Avi Loeb who isn’t on the EHT team. “It’s very significant; it gives a glimpse of what the future might hold, but it doesn’t give us all the information that we want.”

More data could also bring a much-anticipated glimpse of Sgr A*. “The Milky Way is a very different galaxy from M87,” Loeb says. Studying such different environments could reveal more details of how black holes behave.

Unfortunately, the next look at the M87 and Milky Way behemoths will have to wait.

Scientists got a lucky stretch of good weather at all eight sites that made up the Event Horizon Telescope in 2017. Then bad weather in 2018 and technical difficulties, which cancelled the 2019 observing run, stymied the team.

The good news is that by 2020, there will be at least 10 observatories to work with. The Greenland Telescopejoined the consortium in 2018, and the Kitt Peak National Observatory outside Tucson, Ariz., will join EHT in 2020. That should provide the extra eyes needed to bring black holes into even greater focus.

Interesting, but the world at large must stop saying that not even light can escape. The fundamental interactions for mass and electromagnetic radiation aren't the same - unless there is some process that changes a gauge boson to a scalar boson. The light just isn't visible, but what you are observing with instruments is light (electromagnetic radiation).

In fact, thousands of light-years of light eject from a black hole: we have already (allegedly) seen this.
 
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Interesting, but the world at large must stop saying that not even light can escape. The fundamental interactions for mass and electromagnetic radiation aren't the same - unless there is some process that changes a gauge boson to a scalar boson. The light just isn't visible, but what you are observing with instruments is light (electromagnetic radiation).

In fact, thousands of light-years of light eject from a black hole: we have already (allegedly) seen this.
The electromagnetic radiation observed comes from the particles orbiting the event horizon and light from other sources distorted around the event horizon, not from the BH itself (which radiates Hawking radiation, but at undetectable levels).
 
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The electromagnetic radiation observed comes from the particles orbiting the event horizon and light from other sources distorted around the event horizon, not from the BH itself (which radiates Hawking radiation, but at undetectable levels).

Hawkin Radiation is electromagnetic radiation (light). The particles radiated are photons, even if they are thermal.

The 10^4 light year jets occur on both chiral alignments of a black hole. Either way, the scalar boson gives mass to a fundamental particle; unless there has been a scalar interaction with the photon itself, gravity won't affect light. Before "light" is affected by gravity, it has to break down in charge and angular momentum - then it won't be a photon anymore. The "light" has always been there, just in the form of gamma rays. EDIT: lensing is a topological phenomenon, not necessarily a chromodynamics one.
 
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I can accept the idea that we're looking down the throat of M87. but we should be looking at the side of the accretion disk of the object at the center of our own galaxy. Why would we even expect to see an event horizon from the object at the center of our galaxy?
 
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Hawkin Radiation is electromagnetic radiation (light). The particles radiated are photons, even if they are thermal.
I didn't say it wasn't. I was making the point that, for a large black hole, it's relatively insignificant.

The 10^4 light year jets occur on both chiral alignments of a black hole. Either way, the scalar boson gives mass to a fundamental particle; unless there has been a scalar interaction with the photon itself, gravity won't affect light. Before "light" is affected by gravity, it has to break down in charge and angular momentum - then it won't be a photon anymore. The "light" has always been there, just in the form of gamma rays. EDIT: lensing is a topological phenomenon, not necessarily a chromodynamics one.
Not sure what point you're making here. The bulk of radiation from the black hole is generated by the frictional forces in the accretion disk, and the ring image of the BH will also include light from lensed objects behind it. As I understand it, jets from a BH are plasma, probably accelerated by magnetic field interactions between the BH and the accretion disk.
 
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I didn't say it wasn't. I was making the point that, for a large black hole, it's relatively insignificant.

My original point is that light (photons) are always ejected from either side of a black hole - independent of the name of the radiation. It always "escapes" a black hole in the form of high energy photons.

Not sure what point you're making here. The bulk of radiation from the black hole is generated by the frictional forces in the accretion disk, and the ring image of the BH will also include light from lensed objects behind it. As I understand it, jets from a BH are plasma, probably accelerated by magnetic field interactions between the BH and the accretion disk.

My point was that we have to stop saying that black hole gravity is so strong that it pulls in even light. This is a fallacy, as gravity and light do not have the same fundamental carrier field (scalar boson, and gauge boson respectively). But, it is (indeed) electromagnetism that affects light - even in lensing and curvature.
 
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