Eric Holder: American Greatness never really existed

[W2L]

It is not necessary to "hate" in order to be a racist. Many racists are quite benignly disposed to persons of other races than their own.

Just sayin

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Help, I hope. Take a look at OWG's posts, for instance. I don't conclude that he is a racist on the basis of his remarks here. But those remarks are similar to remarks made by actual racists and have much the same effect on people who read them as if he was an actual racist. Don't you think he should know that?

And yes, there are actual racists in this generation; I know some of them personally.

I'm actually not interested in some White Savior gallantly trotting in like a knight on white horse to come to the rescue of minorities. In fact, I find that very annoying and extremely arrogant on the part of the white person. Native Americans, African Americans and other minorities don't need white people coming into their communities and telling them what they need to do with their own lives or how they should live their lives or how they should feel about the racial injustices committed against their own people and their ancestors. They don't need white people telling them to get over it and move on.

Here’s What a White Savior Is (And Why It’s the Opposite of Helpful)

Holding up the Mirror: Recognizing and Dismantling the “White Savior Complex”

 

[Speedwell]

Me too, some white racists are democrat. Did you know that? Ive also met racist minorities. So whats your point?Are you saying the white race has a higher percentage of bigots than minority races do?

I don't know that. I don't even know the race of anyone participating in this discussion or if they are actually racist or not. There have been some racist comments posted, however, and I am interested in discussing why they are perceived as racist.

 

[W2L]

I don't know that. I don't even know the race of anyone participating in this discussion or if they are actually racist or not. There have been some racist comments posted, however, and I am interested in discussing why they are perceived as racist.

Can you answer this question? Do you believe the white race has a higher percentage of bigots than minority races do?

 

[W2L]

Im feeling hostility against whites. Isnt that racist?

 

[Speedwell]

Can you answer this question? Do you believe the white race has a higher percentage of bigots than minority races do?

Bigotry is not a racial characteristic; it is a cultural phenomenon. Are some cultures more prone to it than others? I don't know?

 

[Speedwell]

Im feeling hostility against whites. Isnt that racist?

It would depend on what you were basing your feelings of hostility on. If you were convinced that your race made you intrinsically superior to those of the white race then your attitude towards them would inevitably be racist.

 

[W2L]

Bigotry is not a racial characteristic; it is a cultural phenomenon. Are some cultures more prone to it than others? I don't know?

I knew i shouldnt have used that word, i knew it might come back.
Can you answer this question? Do you believe the white race has a higher percentage of racists than minority races do?

 

[W2L]

It would depend on what you were basing your feelings of hostility on. If you were convinced that your race made you intrinsically superior to those of the white race then your attitude towards them would inevitably be racist.

I believe love is the answer.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Bigotry is not a racial characteristic; it is a cultural phenomenon. Are some cultures more prone to it than others? I don't know?

It doesn't matter.

God Says Simply ALL SOCIETY, (not some ) , is deadly - deathdealing - pernicious.

No race is exempt from His Judgment, ALL are consigned under sin, opposed to Him.

He provides the one and the only solution for anyone, of any race. Few find it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Im feeling hostility against whites. Isnt that racist?

Once a long time ago, God wiped out ALL the races.

SOON, He will do it again.

People who should be afraid, don't even care nor turn to Him to be healed.

 

[Speedwell]

I knew i shouldnt have used that word, i knew it might come back.
Can you answer this question? Do you believe the white race has a higher percentage of racists than minority races do?

What part of "I don't know" do you have trouble understanding? I'm not sure it would even be possible to tell. In any case, I believe that much of what is perceived as white racism is actually religious and cultural bigotry, based on the coincidence of Western European Protestant culture being populated with members of the white race.

 

[W2L]

What part of "I don't know" do you have trouble understanding? I'm not sure it would even be possible to tell. In any case, I believe that much of what is perceived as white racism is actually religious and cultural bigotry, based on the coincidence of Western European Protestant culture being populated with members of the white race.

I was having trouble understanding what exactly you didnt know. Sorry.

 

[Pommer]

I understand by saying this that you are trying to make it so.

Oh, but it is!
(Racist)
Try pretending that you have heard this spoken TO YOU.

The black community needs to be patient. What they hope to gain in less than two centuries took the white community thousands of years to build. If not for western slavery their condition would be that of the present day African.

Dr King had a set of speeches lamenting how “the Negro community” was forever being told, “just a little while longer!”

People are done waiting.

 

[Pommer]

What? if you are concerned about minorities then please be clear. Are you accusing this generation of being racist? You should be sure whether thats true or not, because accusing whites of being racist wont help them want to help your cause, they will just become offended and close their ears to your words. It would be futile. Do you want conflict or help?

“The Baby Boomers” were inculcated and indoctrinated into a rather generalized racism that pervaded “White society”, but got the rug pulled out from under them when the folks who WON World War Two, eventually decided that the way that society had been treating its own minority populations, was in error and changes need to be made.
The Boomers don’t WANT to be racist, and we* will insist we are not, but we were TAUGHT the racism and unless you actually confront your own racism, you’ll never be able to see it.

*Baby Boomer

 

[rjs330]

Why do you think you have the right to declare unilaterally that "It is over?" Some of the posts in this very thread would suggest otherwise.

Which ones? I don't think I've seen any in this thread that advocate for slavery, segregation, or Jim Crowe laws. Admittedly I haven't read every post so I may have missed them.

 

[rjs330]

And who exactly ARE YOU (or anyone else) to dare tell minorities to let it go and move on? And who exactly are you to tell minorities how they are suppose to feel? I'm sorry, but it's obvious that you don't have a clue. You can ignore all the statistics and articles I've already posted and in this post, but that doesn't change anything and it doesn't mean you have a right to tell minorities to get over it.

CDC Report Details Suicide Rate in Native Americans

Native Children Have the Same Rate of PTSD as Combat Veterans

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and Symptoms among American Indians and Alaska Natives

Study Finds American Indian Adults Exposed to Early Life Trauma More Likely to Develop PTSD

THE SUICIDE RATE AMONG NATIVE YOUTH IS THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.

Native Americans Facing Highest Suicide Rates

Native American Youth Suicide Rates Are At Crisis Levels

Suicide among young American Indians nearly double national rate

Suicide Rates Among Native American Adolescents Have Reached 'Crisis Level': CDC

You know I read some of those articles. And they are tragic. But it was interesting to note that they didn't list the 1700-1800's as a cause for all the tragedies. There were a lot on mentions of mental illness, alcoholism, abuse in various forms that occur in the tribes. Most of those are cultural influences within the tribes themselves that have to be delt with. Domestic violence physical abuse and alcoholism isn't caused by what America did to the tribes all those years ago.

You and I agree that people shouldn't make fun of or joke about the Indians plight. The reservations I've spent time on are poor and unkempt. But the Indians are not forced to live there or participate in the plight of alcohol, abuse and violence that often occurs there. In my town we have a university that caters to our Native American students and we offer a LOT of services to assist them in seeking a great education. It's a shame that more of them don't take advantage of the opportunities afforded them.

 

[rjs330]

Good

Good for you. I've actually been there--recently and for extended periods. I know for a fact that there are many Africans in Africa who are better off than many African-Americans here in this country.

And there are many more that are far worse off, I don't really get your larger point.

 

[rjs330]

Help, I hope. Take a look at OWG's posts, for instance. I don't conclude that he is a racist on the basis of his remarks here. But those remarks are similar to remarks made by actual racists and have much the same effect on people who read them as if he was an actual racist. Don't you think he should know that?

And yes, there are actual racists in this generation; I know some of them personally.

I know of some myself. OWG isn't one of them. I've met quite a few that are African American. I don't really understand what remarks you are referring to.

 

[rjs330]

I'm guessing neither one of you read my very first post in this thread where I specifically detailed what I want. In fact, I gave several examples in that post and I was very specific in my response.



I think it's wishful thinking to believe racism against minorities will ever be truly gone in the United States. Racism against minorities and white supremacy of the WASP was deeply embedded in this country's own inception and the racism against minorities has continued throughout its entire history.

It is wishful thinking. Racism has existed since the dawn of time. There will always be racists in this world. The American white person has never been and certainly is not the only purveyor of racism.