There is no need to prove that women, or old people, or the sick, or the young are not excluded from orders no to kill people or sacrifice children! You are the one singling babies out, as if they were not included, despite the love God has for babies and children.
Not babies. Blastocytes, embryoes and fetuses. As we will see below, the distinction is crucial.
Basically you are saying that if we want to know what God says we should ask Satan. Satan cannot point out any weakness in God, his job is to deceive people into thinking there are some!
Effectively, what you're saying is that you know everything, and that nobody can teach you anything. This almost certainly means that you will never learn more than you do at present, which is probably a lot less than you think.
Who knows? But they are sent by God according to the bible. If you have some evidence that God has no part in some aspects of making a new person, show it! As for the way some natural things such as reproduction are adversely affected in this sinful world, I can say it is not like that either in the coming kingdom of God on earth, or in heaven! That means that the problems are on this end whatever they may be and are all caused by the effects of sin in the earth.
Are you saying he actively intervenes to make sure that each and every conception is the sperm he wishes meeting the egg he wishes? Is that what you're saying?
If God commands against something, what evidence do you have it would not be punished? You sure are making a lot of baseless claims with zero support here.
You're the one who said abortionists would be punished by God. So we've now established that this punishment will take place wholly in the next world. Got it.
Those who spill blood are supposed to be dealt with by the powers that be on earth if I recall. When they are not, then the judgment seems to fall on the powers.
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But let me ask you a morality question now also. If some cult ritualistically killed the baby of a mother who offered it up several minutes after it was born, what do you think they would deserve?
I think they would deserve a severe punishment, of course. As actually happened in that most rare of cases, an abortionist who actually was an evil madman,
Kermit Gosnell.
Since abortions in or past the third trimester are in reality incredibly rare, and always performed for some pressing medical reason, your question is ridiculously melodramatic and misleading in the extreme.
Okay, your turn. So, you think a simple medical procedure to remove a developing infant is "child murder"? Okay, then. What do you think should happen to the doctor, the patient, and any other people involved? If they were to be punished in court, what legal punishment do you think would be fitting?
I notice that post birth murders are now an issue in the US.
That's just a piece of fake news Donald Trump popularised, if you're referring to Northam's comments. They were
not precise, were widely misrepresented - ie, Trump and other right-wingers lied about them - and, in the unlikely chance that their comments did actually represent Northam's views accurately, nobody else agrees with him.
But it's so
exciting isn't it? You're not an ordinary person in an ordinary world. You're a brave culture warrior. There are people -
babies - and they're being
murdered bloodily by evil non-Christians!
Not at all the case that this is a simple medical procedure designed to help families and women plan their lives while removing a tiny piece of non-sentient matter, as alive and as human as an appendix, and with as much personhood. But people like you find it terribly exciting to think they are living in the last days, they're surrounded by evil, and that they're fighting heroically for innocent children.
I don't expect you to accept, agree with, or even recognise this, but this whole abortion "pro-life" movement that evangelicals are on has two real purposes, neither of which is
actually to do with "saving babies' lives". The first one is to erase the memory of how they failed the greatest moral test of their time - civil rights - and so to retake the moral high ground; and the second one is to consolidate political power.
All commands to honor life and other people and against child sacrifices and murder apply to people of all ages.
I am solidly in support of you there! And by the way, abortions aren't performed on people. Here's why:
1. What is a human person? Anything possessing human DNA? Obviously not. A scrap of skin, an appendix, an arm or leg - these things are not people.
2. Well then, a living human body? That sounds closer. But consider this: imagine a "brain dead" human body in which the brain is completely, medically dead, totally incapable of recovery, but the body can be sustained - and could, in theory, live indefinitely. Would you say this body, without a brain, was a person? I think we would all agree that it is not.
3. Therefore, we arrive at the conclusion that "personhood" resides in the possession of a working brain (if you disagree with this, please explain why). To forestall some objections I have heard to this, people who are asleep, stupid, mentally disabled or suffering from dementia still possess the ability to think, and so qualify as persons.
4. A baby
does qualify as a person before it is born, as the brain is developed and active. However, that is no problem, as abortions are not performed during this time. All abortions (with exceptions for emergencies, such as when the baby is crippled to such a point that life would be a living hell for them) take place long before the baby's brain has begun to work, or is even present.
6. Therefore, abortions are not murder. They are the aborting (stopping development) of a potential human person, yes, but not yet a person.
Since no one can know exactly when, why would we worry? I think it would be safe to say that those who are familiar with bible prophesy would get somewhat attentive if they saw animals sacrifices officially happening in a new temple in Israel though.
Oh, I'm sure they'd find all kinds of things to get excited about! It makes it a wonderfully thrilling world, doesn't it? And the fact that Christians have been getting excited about "Jesus coming" and "the End of the World" literally since the moment Jesus left last time...of course, that doesn't register with you, does it?
You might, of course, say it's not up to you when Jesus comes back. You might say it doesn't matter if he comes back in ten minutes or ten years, or not in your lifetime. But seriously, when someone says "I'm waiting for something" there is an expectation that it will happen fairly soon, isn't it? I guarantee you, the fifth-century Christians were not hanging about saying "I wonder if Jesus will have come back by 2020?"
It is guaranteed that sin and evil and wickedness will not enter. Period.
Sorry. It is not possible for you to guarantee that, if humans still have free will; because, if they do have free will, they could choose to do evil at any time. Free will existing without the possibility of evil is logically impossible. The fact that you don't, won't or can't recognise it, after different people have pointed it out, does not change that.
