WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[ace of hearts]

The monthly cycle is based on the NEW MOONS. It only effects the number of days in the year and month as the seven day week is a continual cycle it is remains the same.

That's true. The New Moon starts the month. What you have shown is the moon cycles on a solar calendar by your link to Feb 2019.

 

[ace of hearts]

As posted ealier your words have no truth in them brother. Your only repeating things that are not true after being corrected because you have no scripture to share here in relation to the OP. This is sad for you. Please post where I have ever said in any one of my posts anywhere in this forum that JESUS does not satisfy the law? Now if you cannot provide a link to any post where I have said JESUS did not satisfy the law, why do you pretend that I have? This is simply bearing false witness against your brother especially as I have asked you more then once to show where I have ever said such things. This is sad for you. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

They were not my words I provide but God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words. The scriptures provided show that God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and JESUS came to save us from SIN not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. These are Gods' WORDS and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not my words. You are free to believe and do as you wish but we will all answer to God come judgment day. I do not judge you but his WORD will jugdge everything we say and do *JOHN 12:36; 47-48

Sadly your bearing false witness even after I have already corrected you on your confused interpretation of what I posted earlier. This is sad for you brother especially after I already esplained to you what was being posted many times now

The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence in the earlier post says this..


The above is what I posted to you and does not say what you are claiming. It is saying JESUS satisfied the law but did not satisfy the law so we can continue to break it. I then posted back to you after you made the same claim last time that you are misunderstanding what is quoted to you. I posted this for your correction earlier thinking you misunderstood what was posted to you saying you either misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Then I posted the first part of MATTHEW 5:17 as a scripture proof; Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you even more sad for you knowing that I have already corrected your misunderstanding as now I see your only trying to dishonestly twist what I have posted to you because I have already corrected you on what was posted and the intent of what was posted to you. This is sad for you brother. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

So why do you think we also have to satisfy the law, contrary to what Jesus taught and the rest of the NT say?

 

[ace of hearts]

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21.

No Mat 5:22 Greek word "de" refutes you here.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yey none of you have provided a single scripture for this OP here? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Everything we post including Scripture quotes are lies according to you. It's people like you that make reaching the lost all most impossible.

 

[ace of hearts]

I haven't added a single thing to Leviticus 23. Only shown the HEBREW word meanings of the "SPECIAL" annual SHADOW Sabbaths <plural> connected to the ANNUAL FEAST days that are not God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbth.

I'm only speaking about the ones listed in Lev 23. They're the requirements. I'm not getting into a discussion with you about Judaism.

 

[ace of hearts]

Biblical Response
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The Sabbath day did not move to Sunday. There is no scripture to back this.

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Personal Response
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As you recall, Christ came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it.

Question: What does this mean?

What of all this below?


Mat 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

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Mat 5:31
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

Mat 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mat 5:33
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Mat 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Mat 5:35
Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Mat 5:36
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Mat 5:37
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Mat 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Mat 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Mat 5:40
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Mat 5:41
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Mat 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Mat 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mat 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Mat 5:46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Mat 5:47
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Mat 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


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Christ came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it.

Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:21
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Mat 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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What of the Sabbath Day? Has it also been completed as the others? Is every day now our day to remember The Lord, our God? Do we not speak to Him as a father, a friend? Is Christ not our first love? Is it not promised to the faithful that God will dwell in their hearts? That He will dwell with us on Earth? Even on the New Earth, which is nothing like the former? Where Christ is the light?

Is it reasonable to believe that our treatment of the Sabbath Day should be the same? That we should consider every day as The Lord's day, since The Lord made all days? He made the Sun, Moon, and the lights above which we can discern the passing of time by. He made the earth and the sea. Every day is His and while we work and go about our affairs, do we not in this age, under the New Testament, think on our Father in Heaven? Do we not afford Him our prayers and thanksgiving?

I know I do my best to thank our Father in Heaven for every Sunrise, for every day.

In a single word you miss in 5:22 "de."

 

[usexpat97]

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Not one person can post a Scripture!

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

No not one!

 

[ace of hearts]

Posted on this earlier. The NEW MOON starts the beginning of the NEW MONTH. It was made according to the scriptures for signs, seasons days and years. It is the NEW MOONS that were used to determine the precise times to start the ANNUAL FESTIVAL (LEVITICUS 23).

Now please answer my question.

If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3 of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

Read Ex 20:11

 

[ace of hearts]

I stand corrected, sorry about that just substitute Saturday for Sunday.

This topic can get very confusing and the internet confuses it much more.

You're telling me.

 

[ace of hearts]

What are you talking about brother? Are you reading what I am posting to you? I have already posted that the sighting of the NEW MOON starts the beginning of the NEW MONTH. Your claiming that it starts a NEW WEEK. I do not think your reading my posts to you are you?

Not what he said.

 

[BobRyan]

Your first two sentences are in conflict with one another. Jesus speaks for Himself best, and here are His words:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

There it is in black and white, Jesus came to satisfy the Law. Jesus came to satisfy the Prophets.

Concerning Luke 24:27 and Luke 24:44-47, you seem to be attempting to limit the Law. In Luke 24:27, Luke wrote "Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures".

Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.

Recorded in Luke 24:44 is Jesus saying:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

in other words 'scripture' -- which is our source of doctrine according to 2 Tim 3:16.


There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137, and it can be translated with any of these synonyms:

completed
fulfilled
satisfied

When Moral law is "complied with" then its requirement is fulfilled. So then Christ perfectly complied with the command "do not take God's name in vain" ... but did not delete it - simply by complying with it.

Another example of moral law Christ perfectly complied with "honor your father and mother" -- complying with moral law -- does not delete it. Obviously. Hence Eph 6:2 exists.

It sounds like your words try to limit what Jesus said when you write "Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies about Himself written in the Law and Prophets" because Jesus actually said:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be satisfied."

indeed predictive law is fulfilled when the event it predicts takes place "Christ our Passover has been slain" 1 Cor 5. And it leaves no "requirement" left for some other person to also "Be the Passover that is slain".

Is there someone here that says the 10 commandments are not about Jesus?

Everyone here agrees that Jesus was not supposed to murder or worship false God's or take God's name in vain--- and neither is anyone else supposed to do that.

Because in the NT "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
And the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12


Romans 13:8-10, The Apostle Paul wrote it precisely as the Holy Spirit had him write it:

"he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law" (Romans 13:8)

And so also in Matt 22 -- the two great commandments as even the Jews agreed before the cross.

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 (not even mentioned at all in Rom 13)
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 - (also found in Matthew 19 and Rom 13).

These two commands in the law of Moses form the foundation for all others... they do not "delete all others".

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

1. to consummate: a number
   1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
   2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)

When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

Predictive ceremonial law does not work that way - but prescriptive moral law does.

Which means it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain. Obviously.

 

[ace of hearts]

None of what you have posted have any impact on a 7 day weekly cycle. The same as you have no scripture or outside sources to show that the weekly cycle is reset every NEW MOON. Where are your scriptures and sources David? I have provided both scripture and outside sources all disagreeing with your claims that the week is reset every NEW MOON. You have providing nothing. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

If the month days aren't reset every month the lunar month can start on the 17th. No a month starts on the 1st with the number 1.

 

[BobRyan]

The first day of the month was always a Saturday.

Are you trying to demonstrate creative writing skill again??

 

[BobRyan]

How can there be a morning and an evening before the sun is created?

Single sided light source and a rotating planet.

Or is it your claim that God only has nuclear fusion as his source for light???

Is this more "creative writing" that you are trying out??

 

[BobRyan]

If the month days aren't reset every month the lunar month can start on the 17th. No a month starts on the 1st with the number 1.

the number of the day of the month has never been required to always be the number of the day of the week -- and we all know it.

 

[klutedavid]

Are you trying to demonstrate creative writing skill again??

I am a very creative person.

I noticed you said 'sola scripture' on another thread. Are you into the Latin language Bob?

 

[klutedavid]

the number of the day of the month has never been required to always be the number of the day of the week -- and we all know it.

We don't all know that and certainly do not agree with your solar calendar.

Weeks are continuous only if you follow a papal calendar, the Gregorian calendar.

The start of a lunar month triggers a new week which makes Sabbath observance a piece of cake.

The new moon celebration and day of rest was good enough for King David but not for you.

 

[klutedavid]

Single sided light source and a rotating planet.

Or is it your claim that God only has nuclear fusion as his source for light???

Is this more "creative writing" that you are trying out??

Not really Bob.

Evenings and mornings before celestial bodies?

 

[klutedavid]

If the month days aren't reset every month the lunar month can start on the 17th. No a month starts on the 1st with the number 1.

They don't seem to understand that if the weeks are continuous, then there is no need for a new moon rest.

 

[ace of hearts]

Firstly the Hebrew calander has 29.5 days. The NEW MOON is NOT God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath of God's 4th commandment and never has been. The weekly cycle was never reset to Sunday or any other day on a NEW MOON because the weekly cycle is a 7 day continuous cycle. Please provide your scripture or state your source that says that God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath starts seven days after the NEW MOON. If you have no Scripture or source why are you saying and teaching things that are not biblical and have no basis in scripture or fact? The NEW MOON was to start the beginning of the NEW MONTH not a new week. Get your facts right brother.

Did you ever wonder why there's a half day? I never saw one.

Part of that answer is the sun stood still for a battle Israel was involved in. I think the other part of missing time was for Elijah doing something. The orignial lunar month was exactly 30 days.