WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[Neogaia777]

Brother we either have God's WORD for our teachings or we do not. Which is it and who should we follow God or men *ROMANS 3:4?

Yes, but we have other sources and resources for info on the kind of stuff (calendars, days, weeks and such) were discussing here also...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, but we have other sources and resources for info on the kind of stuff (calendars, days, weeks and such) were discussing here also...

God Bless!

Indeed but how does a calander support any claims your making or that others are making here? They do not. Some are claiming that a NEW MOON is when a SEVENTH DAY Sabbath starts. There is no scripture for this claim. What else can be claimed through the calanders? Nothing because they do not effect a 7 day week cycle that is contineous.

 

[Neogaia777]

Indeed but how does a calander support any claims your making or that others are making here? They do not. Some are claiming that a NEW MOON is when a SEVENTH DAY Sabbath starts. There is no scripture for this claim.

An valid basis for those claims at all...? Or any of the other claims they are making...?

What else can be claimed through the calanders? Nothing because they do not effect a 7 day week cycle that is contineous.

So every day on our calendar was the same as was on or in theirs...? Every Sabbath or Saturday, ect...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Pulled this up by doing a search "Does Passover happen on different days each year" and got this:

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. ... However, due to leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.

Then modified it a bit to "Does Passover happen on different days on our calendar each year" and got this:

The March equinox coincides with Easter Sunday and holidays that are related to it. These holidays do not fall on a fixed date in the Gregorian calendar, or the Julian calendar, which is still used by many Orthodox Christian churches.


If that is true of Passover then it must be true of other days as well, right...?

Or, does it mean that the date or (number of the) day might be different, but same day of the week...?

But then, why would it (Passover) fall in "March "or" April"...? Doesn't make sense...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Trying other searches but nothing seems to answering my or this question for sure or directly or to me satisfyingly yet...

Maybe I don't know the right question...?

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

An valid basis for those claims at all...? Or any of the other claims they are making...?

Not sure what you mean here brother?

So every day on our calendar was the same as was on or in theirs...? Every Sabbath or Saturday, ect...? God Bless!

No of course not. The Hebrew calander you can read about in the link I have provided below. It says everything that has been shared with you about the day and weekly cycles being contineous and not being effected by the NEW MOON as some have tried to claim here. It also shows that the NEW MOONS were to show the start of the biblical FEAST days. If your interested in the biblical luna Hebrew calander here is a good link provided in WIKI click me. This supports everything that has been shared with you in this thread.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Pulled this up by doing a search "Does Passover happen on different days each year" and got this:

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. ... However, due to leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.

Then modified it a bit to "Does Passover happen on different days on our calendar each year" and got this:

The March equinox coincides with Easter Sunday and holidays that are related to it. These holidays do not fall on a fixed date in the Gregorian calendar, or the Julian calendar, which is still used by many Orthodox Christian churches.


If that is true of Passover then it must be true of other days as well, right...?

Or, does it mean that the date or (number of the) day might be different, but same day of the week...?

But then, why would it (Passover) fall in "March "or" April"...? Doesn't make sense...?

This is showing what has been shared with you earlier. That it is the yearly cycle that effects the dates of the FEAST DAYS. That is because of the variation of how long a year may be from one year to the next. This does not effect the week as the week is a constant 7 day cycle and is continuous. So depending on the yearly cycle the if you had a FEAST DAY in day 1 (Sunday) the next year it may be on a different day based on the total days of the following year. So the 7 day week cycle remains the same and does not change and is a continuous cycle while the timing of the FEAST days change based on the yearly cycles. Take a look at the link I provided from Wiki in the previous post as it may help

God Bless!

 

[Kermos]

Now your just making things up. If JESUS did not satisfy the law and the prophets then he would not be our perfect sacrifice and mankind would be lost. Your claims are false ones. I have never said that Jesus never satisfied the law and the prophets ever! You were asked in the post you are quoting from to please provide me a like where I have ever posted this false claim. You never provided any. Then you claim is that I say Jesus did not satisfy the law and the prophets in the 4th paragraph in the first sentance of the post you are quoting from where I asked you to post a link to prove your claim. This is what was posted here...
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Throughout your original post in your many words, you say that Jesus does not satisfy the law. Your words carry the implication. Your words express hyperbole. Your words of questions and your couching of the final paragraph taken together carry the meaning. Those questions are all your words, not God's Word.

Fast forwarding, your 4th paragraph, 1st sentence carries precisely the same implication. Behold, it is the context of your sentence to your words of your posts in this thread that makes clear the meaning of the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence. Your sentence expresses that you believe that Jesus does not satisfy the law because you believe not keeping the 7th day sabbath is sin. Let me paraphrase your sentence again in this manner, your sentence expresses that you believe that Jesus satisfies the law except for the 10 commandments which you believe a person that does not keep the 10 commandments is practicing sin. The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence clearly summarizes your original post. I can say you say something by way of paraphrase, and it is accurate.

This is what I perceive in the composition of your words.

Your words carry meaning when composited, and your meaning is clear in your words. Now, I write again, you say that Jesus does not satisfy the law.

With that all settled, Jesus said (by the way, changing abolish to destroy does not change a thing):

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished!" (John 19:30 - while Lord Jesus was on the cross)

 

[Tone]

...and the battle rages on...

3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which Elohim had created and made.

 

[ace of hearts]

And no one realizes just how ridiculous all "this" is either, do they...?

What would happen either way, and would "any of it" ever be right in any way, either way...?

As another poster posted in in another post in this thread awhile back, and I got a pretty good laugh out of it (already, or back then), he said "This is "INSANITY" in all caps, and I think i agree, sometimes it frustrates me (greatly, sometimes) even to even have to engage or participate in things or discussions like this sometimes...

Great way to operate under the New Covenant guys, really... (them, not you guys)

God Bless!

Yeah I agree there's plenty Insanity here. And I agree that to a degree participation here is insane. Fortunately once in a while some one is genuinely helped and blessed. I'm not really here in hopes of reaching a few of my opponents. What I find everywhere I go even in the real world is people generally exhibit the same attitudes. They wonder why they have church growth problems? Just really amazing.

 

[ace of hearts]

What if they argued they were...? since their not here right now, or at the moment...?

God Bless!

Essentially that's what they're really doing.

 

[usexpat97]

Nice reply showing that tha Luna calander changes the days of the weekly cycle. You have no scripture have you

This is just as much nonsense as demanding the Scripture that says George Bush rightfully won the election over Al Gore. And, you know, man never landed on the moon, either. Show me the Scripture that shows they did. Only the Scripture is true.

 

[ace of hearts]

Please provide the scripture?

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is used all the time by SDA when they argue about the sabbath (really the day one worships on).

The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander was to show times and seasons. It was used to time the YEARLY ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

And to mark days - verse 14.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and like your friend you have provided none.

The first day of the month in the lunar calendar is also a sabbath and the first day of a week follows that sabbath. The first weekly sabbath is always 7 days later. The sabbath is always the same numbered day every month in the Jewish lunar calendar. More accurately I think it would be called a solar-lunar calendar.

I think the Jewish solar-lunar calendar met its final demise in the 4th century.

There is 11 days difference in strict solar and lunar yearly calendars. That's why there is a solar-lunar calendar. The lunar calendar is tied to the solar calendar to fix the lunar calendar to seasons.

Both calendars are generally 12 month calendars. The annual lunar calendar has an extra month every so often to correct the lunar months to the seasons.

In searching for a lunar calendar, all I can find so far are solar calendars (our current calendar system) with the lunar phases imposed on them.

Day and night were created on the first day of creation - Gen 1. Therefore I believe the phase of the moon was what we call the new moon in its phases (cycles). This would mean to me the 7th day of creation is actually the 6th day after the the first day of creation making a 7 day week the way I count. Some count the current day as day one. No matter how stated (counting) one in every 7 days is the sabbath.

So keep the new moon (a sabbath) and after 6 days of work keep a sabbath. I'm not trying to require sabbath keeping. That was a sign for Israel only.

It's clear to me the Gregorian calendar days (weeks) aren't the same weeks of the new moon (lunar) calendar. This is evidenced on all complete current day calendars in use today.

I used the Scripture to base this comments of this post.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

So yes LGW I used Scripture and follow it, not tradition for the basis of this post.

 

[ace of hearts]

You mean like this..

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

Convince is powerful.

 

[ace of hearts]

safswan said: ↑ The start of the month does not affect the weekly cycle.



Nice reply showing that tha Luna calander changes the days of the weekly cycle. You have no scripture have you.

See my post above. You'll find the results of your goading.

 

[ace of hearts]

Please do not make arguments no one is arging about. Who said the different calanders have the same days names? If no one has said any such thing why do you pretend that they have?

Excuse me. Where did I say both calendars have same day names? You're making up stuff not in my post.

Now you were asked a question to your claims. You and your friends claim that the Luna calander changed the weekly days and week cycle.

Excuse me. Where did any of us make this claim? Next issue for me is your reference to Luna a Roman goddess. The rest of us are talking about the lunar calendar.

Now prove it. Where are the scriptures? If you have no scripture then why pretend that what you are claiming is true?

I'm not pretending anything.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Now lets be honest. You have no scripture for your claims now do you. If you did you would have posted it already.

See one of my above posts discussing calendars.

 

[ace of hearts]

This is just as much nonsense as demanding the Scripture that says George Bush rightfully won the election over Al Gore. And, you know, man never landed on the moon, either. Show me the Scripture that shows they did. Only the Scripture is true.

He can't discuss the issue because he doesn't know. He's relying on what he's been told without researching the issue for himself.

 

[ace of hearts]

Because of the yearly cycle. This does not effect the weekly cycle. This is what has been shared here. For example one year the 25th of December may be on a Sunday. The following year December 25th will be on a Monday. Now the day that December 25th falls on is based on the yearly cycle not the weekly. The week remains the same as it is a continual cycle. Although December 25th in the following year falls on Monday instead of Sunday. So the week remains the same but the day of celebration has moved one day because of the yearly cycle (not the weekly). Do you understand now brother? I do not mind posting on the Luna and yearly cycles if people are trying to use it as an argument against the Sabbath. It is a false argument that does not effect the days in the week which are a contineous cycle.

No the date is based on the solar calendar which is continuous, not like the new moon calendar. The new moon calendar is superimposed on the solar calendar these days.

 

[ace of hearts]

There is no such thing as taking a Sabbath any day any day of the week. God's WORD says the God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken is the SEVENTH DAY of the week *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:9-11.

You are confused brother the Luna calander does not effect a seven day weekly cycle and does not change the days of the week every time there is a NEW MOON. If you believe this is the case why do you go to Church on Sunday?

God bless

You're trying to impose a legalism required only of Israel.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not really brother Luke 24:44 only supports what is being shared with you. Read the scriptures you are quoting from. Your not reading them again are you.

As posted earlier the first part of the scripture you quote testifies against you. Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17).

[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the <1> law, or <2> the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to <3> fulfill.

NOTE: JESUS did not come to destroy or stop καταλύω; kataluō the law or the prophets (this is referring to torah both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant prophets and psalms).

The GREEK word fulfill used πληρόω; plēroō here has many applications depending on the context of use. The many meanings of fulfil πληρόω; plēroō are From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

In the context above we are referring to the law, prophets and Psalms. The CONTEXT is that JESUS has not come to destroy or bring to an END to the law, prophets and psalms. So the GREEK word use here for fulfill based on the rules of CONTEXT cannot mean bring to an end or expire. The meaning here then considering the GREEK word and primary context whics not to destroy being used then is to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS. This is re-emphasized in v18

If what you say is true Heb 7:12 is a lie or you make Jesus a sinner just like us needing redemption. Your position also makes Rom 7:6 a lie.