WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

God's Word is not your interpretation of the scripture. God's Word is what the scripture states, which says I'm correct.

Anyway LGW, we need you to name the calendar that was followed in first century Israel.

According to the Hebrew calendars and traditional Christian calendars and the bible, Sunday has always been the first day of the week and the SABBATH the seventh day of the week (our Saturday; Friday sunset to Saturday sunset God's time). This does not change every full moon. If this were true it would also effect your claim to Sunday being the LORD'S DAY (which is not biblical either).

 

[klutedavid]

Sure God's people used a Luna calander. God's WORD was posted on this earlier as to why it was used. The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander to to show times and seasons. It was used to time the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. (You even provided scriptures showing that the NEW MOONS were in connection to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS earlier in the thread). As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

Yes at last LGW, an admission that Jewish folk in the first century followed a lunar calendar.

The weekly cycle starts at the start of the month. The first day of the week commences at sunset when the new moon is visible.

So if the start of a lunar month differs from the start of a solar month, then we have a disunity in each weekly cycle.

You need to do some research on the difference between solar and lunar calendars.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes at last LGW, an admission that Jewish folk in the first century followed a lunar calendar.

The weekly cycle starts at the start of the month. The first day of the week commences at sunset when the new moon is visible.

So if the start of a lunar month differs from the start of a solar month, then we have a disunity in each weekly cycle.

You need to do some research on the difference between solar and lunar calendars.

I never said God's people did not use a Luna calander to begin with but stated they did in the very first post I provided with God's WORD showing how they used and what they used the Luna calander for.

As posted earlier; The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander was to show times and seasons. It was used to time the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. (You even provided scriptures showing that the NEW MOONS were in connection to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS earlier in the thread). As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and you have provided none.

 

[Neogaia777]

We have scripture that clearly says we are not be judging one another in this at all...

Look, If you want to stay under bondage to the law, then I won't try to stop you... just know this, that you who do this are under obligation to perform, follow, fulfill (like Jesus did) the entire law, otherwise you stand condemned under and by the law...

And, Christ came to set us free from the curse of the law, ect...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We have scripture that clearly says we are not be judging one another in this at all...

Look, If you want to stay under bondage to the law, then I won't try to stop you... just know this, that you who do this are under obligation to perform, follow, fulfill (like Jesus did) the entire law, otherwise you stand condemned under and by the law...

And, Christ came to set us free from the curse of the law, ect...

God Bless!

I do not judge you either brother. It is God's WORD that will judge us all come judgment day.

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day

We are only under bondage if we are continuing in SIN (Breaking God's LAW). It is JESUS that says whosoever commits sin is a servant to sin *JOHN 8:31-36

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.


God bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I never said God's people did not use a Luna calander to begin with but stated they did in the very first post I provided with God's WORD showing how they used and what they used the Luna calander for.

As posted earlier; The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander to to show times and seasons. It was used to time the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. (You even provided scriptures showing that the NEW MOONS were in connection to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS earlier in the thread). As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and you have provided none.

Wrong, but whatever...

It does affect the weeks and the days of the weeks, do more research please...

But like I said, it's a technicality...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Wrong, but whatever...

It does affect the weeks and the days of the weeks, do more research...

God Bless!

Really brother. Please provide the scripture?

The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander was to show times and seasons, years and days. It was used to time the YEARLY ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a changing a 7 day weekly cycle which is a continual that occours every seven days through out the year.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and like your friend you have provided none.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Neogaia777]

Really brother. Please provide the scripture?

Not necessary, just google "lunar calendar compared to solar calendar" or something similar to that... You'll see that they are different and it affects the days and the weeks in that they do not line up exactly when compared, which means "technically" different days...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not necessary, just google "lunar calendar compared to solar calendar" or something similar to that... You'll see that they are different and it affects the days and the weeks in that they do not line up exactly when compared, which means "technically" different days...

God Bless!

You mean like this..

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

 

[klutedavid]

I never said God's people did not use a Luna calander to begin with but stated they did in the very first post I provided with God's WORD showing how they used and what they used the Luna calander for.

As posted earlier; The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander was to show times and seasons. It was used to time the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. (You even provided scriptures showing that the NEW MOONS were in connection to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS earlier in the thread). As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and you have provided none.

If the Jews only used a lunar calendar for their annual celebrations, then what calendar were they using to assign their months?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If the Jews only used a lunar calendar for their annual celebrations, then what calendar were they using to assign their months?

What has this to do with a weekly Sabbath that is every seventh day of the week?

 

[ace of hearts]

Ace of Hearts said the truth well to you!

You quoted quite a bit of scripture, there.

You try to insert your imaginations into the scripture with highlights of the text. For example, in Revelation 12:17, you did not highlight "and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" which implies that it is less important in some manner to you. The "commandments of God" are:

Good catch.

"This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" (Matthew 17:5)

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished!" (John 19:30)

That is testimony of Jesus Christ, words and actions (action at the cross), the witness of Lord Jesus. Since Jesus said "It is finished!" then anyone who says otherwise or teaches otherwise contradicts the Word of God such as He is come to satisfy the Law.

Concerning Revelation 14:12, we find "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus". Faith and belief are synonyms. Again, "commandments of God" as well as "the faith of Jesus" are:

"the government will rest on His shoulders" (Isaiah 9:6)

"whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of [its] stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!" (Matthew 18:6-7)

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3:5-8)

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." (John 5:24)

"For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" (John 5:26-27)

Powerful Word! Moses said:

"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.' The LORD said to me, 'They have spoken well. I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require [it] of him." (Deuteronomy 18:15-19)

In 1 John 2:3-4, the "His commandments" are "Jesus Christ the righteous' commandments" because 1 John 2:1 identifies Him, here is verse 1: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this. I've mentioned this a couple times to be totally ignored. Many people are fooled by the vast quantities of Scripture LGW compiles together. They never go checking on them or the surrounding verses.

Let's just see what the Apostle John has to say about someone who does not keep "Jesus Christ the righteous' commandments" as he recorded as a reminder, becuase you did quote the verse:

"The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)

So, John the Beloved Apostle wrote essentially this, the person who says "I have come to know Jesus," and does not keep Jesus Christ the righteous' commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

Amen to this. LGW believes Jesus issued the famous 10 to Israel against Jn 1:17 and Gal 3:19.

Hmm, your version of 1 John 3:3-10 is different than the NASB (of particular concern is your version of 1 John 3:4 and also 1 John 3:8), so I include a verse by verse comparison, here is the passage:

NASB: 3 And everyone who has this hope [fixed] on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
YOURS: 3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.

NASB 4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
YOURS 4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

(N.B. for verse 4, the Greek word anomia and anomian is there which translates to lawless. That "a" in anomia is like the "a" in atheist, a theist beleives in a god, but an atheist is godless)

NASB 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
YOURS 5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

NASB 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
YOURS 6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

NASB 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
YOURS 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

NASB 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

Good version here.

YOURS 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

(N.B. for verse 8:
[1] your version carries a weaker meaning with "commits sin" as opposed to the NASB "practices sin".
[2} the text refers to the fallen world from the beginning by way of "the devil has sinned from the beginning".
[3] your version states wrongly that Jesus "might destroy the works of the devil"; on the other hand, the NASB states that Jesus appeared "to destroy the works of the devil"!
[4] The Greek agrees with the NASB translation.)

NASB 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
YOURS 9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NASB 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
YOURS 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother

Praise God, 1 John 3:3-10 agrees with the Apostle Paul's writing! Here it is for remembrance sake:

"he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law" (Romans 13:8)

And the word of Jesus with:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17)

"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" (Matthew 5:23)

In the next passage, notice the result of the one who hears Jesus' words but does not act on them - and that one's relationship to "PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS" and that one's house:

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter]. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall." (Matthew 7:21-27)

The Father in heaven says to listen to Jesus (Matthew 17:5)!

I didn't respond to everything because of the length of the post.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Good catch.Glad I'm not the only one who notices this.

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 19:1 [10], And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See you do it not: I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

[Neogaia777]

You mean like this..

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

Rejected by the majority does not mean false, it (lunar calendar) is in fact the calendar they used, and it does not line perfectly with the solar calendar, which means different days, as I already said...

Most probably reject it cause it is only a technicality, but it is nonetheless (what I am saying) is historically, literally, and technically 100% true and accurate, (about the calendars, weeks, days, ect) and there is no getting around that...

God Bless!

 

[klutedavid]

You mean like this..

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

The Sabbath or seventh day is according to the sighting of the new moon. When you see the new moon the month begins. This is not a false claim that was the lunar calendar that Israel used.

You can't have a seven day week without a mechanism to start counting the days. A new moon cycle is not exactly one month, there are some extra days. So Israel never counted weeks in a continuous cycle. They started the count at the start of the new moon.

You keep making the same mistake in thinking a Sabbath day today, is the same as a lunar Sabbath day. They don't occur on the same day because the start of the month is different in the lunar and solar calendars.

Eventually you will pick this up.

 

[klutedavid]

What has this to do with a weekly Sabbath that is every seventh day of the week?

Are you talking about a seventh day on the Gregorian or the lunar seventh day?

 

[ace of hearts]

One positive aspect of heresy is it does motivate people to go deep on Bible study, studies of Church history and theology. Anyway nice, commentary on the Lexicon, there's lots of stuff in thread for folks to use when meeting a hard core Sabbitarian. Of course, this thread if it keeps going is going to the size of an ancient codex!

I use them quite a bit to see what is actually being said. One of my favorites is Bible Hub at biblehub.com.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Rejected by the majority does not mean false, it (lunar calendar) is in fact the calendar they used, and it does not line perfectly with the solar calendar, which means different days, as I already said...

Most probably reject it cause it is only a technicality, but it is nonetheless (what I am saying) is historically, literally, and technically 100% true and accurate, (about the calendars, weeks, days, ect) and there is no getting around that...

God Bless!

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

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If you believe a Luna calander effects the weekly cycle brother (which it does not) then it also applies to Sunday and you have no LORD'S DAY. Start going to Church then in the middle of the week. See where your argument is leading you? Your argument here effects every day of the week not one.

However this is rubbish as a Luna calander does not effect a weekly cycle and you have no scripture to show that the week days change everytime there is a NEW MOON. What you are proposing is unbiblical and does not make any sense.

Do you practice your belief here and apply it to Sunday which you claim without scripture is the LORD'S DAY?

 

[ace of hearts]

This is so funny and accurate it should be repeated and emphasized!

Thanks

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Sabbath or seventh day is according to the sighting of the new moon. When you see the new moon the month begins. This is not a false claim that was the lunar calendar that Israel used.

You can't have a seven day week without a mechanism to start counting the days. A new moon cycle is not exactly one month, there are some extra days. So Israel never counted weeks in a continuous cycle. They started the count at the start of the new moon.

You keep making the same mistake in thinking a Sabbath day today, is the same as a lunar Sabbath day. They don't occur on the same day because the start of the month is different in the lunar and solar calendars.

Eventually you will pick this up.

Rubbish. Please post the scripture that says that God's weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is according to the sighting of the NEW MOON?