WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

Hold on, that is not my assumption.

Jewish history reflects the Old Testament, the lunar cycle of month and then the associated weeks within each month are observed. That is how the Jews knew what day it was, what week it was.

Even secular Jewish history recognizes the lunar calendar.

In all respect and love brother this statement of yours above has no truth in it. As shown through the scriptures already and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all brother. You have been provided with God's WORD. You provide your own words. Your words are not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATHEW 15:3-9. It is God's WORD that shows you are in error brother as you have no scripture to support your tradition.

I have never posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD cannot be true. I have only posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD can be biased depending on who is writing it. Only BIBLICAL history is true and without doubt being the Word of God. It is BIBLICAL history alone that supports God's WORD and this is what has been provided.

Your post here is fictition brother. As shown through the scriptures and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Your stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Jewish history confirms that Leviticus 23 was based on lunar cycles. Weeks are divisions within each month, days are subdivisions of weeks. The start of the month determines the count to the Sabbath days and the start of each month was the new moon.

Why do you persist in this erroneous idea that Sabbaths are counted outside of the start of each lunar month?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Jewish history confirms that Leviticus 23 was based on lunar cycles. Weeks are divisions within each month, days are subdivisions of weeks. The start of the month determines the count to the Sabbath days and the start of each month was the new moon.

Why do you persist in this erroneous idea that Sabbaths are counted outside of the start of each lunar month?

Not at all. I have provided God's WORD you have provided your own words. Who is to be believed God or you? I know who I BELIEVE *ROMANS 3:4. Please feel free to address my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

As shown through the scriptures already and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all brother. You have been provided with God's WORD. You provide your own words. Your words are not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATHEW 15:3-9. It is God's WORD that shows you are in error brother as you have no scripture to support your tradition.

I have never posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD cannot be true. I have only posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD can be biased depending on who is writing it. Only BIBLICAL history is true and without doubt being the Word of God. It is BIBLICAL history alone that supports God's WORD and this is what has been provided.

Your post here is fictional brother. As shown through the scriptures and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Here is what wiki said and by by the way this supports the lunar calendar.

The term has been used to describe a similar weekly observance in any of several other traditions; the first crescent or new moon. (wiki)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here is what wiki said and by by the way this supports the lunar calendar.

Indeed and the context is the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS not the weekly SABBATH.

 

[safswan]

Really? Then since the law hasn't passed in your opinion Jesus is in violation of the law by Heb 7:12. Your idea must be the earth is still here so the law is still in effect. Just not what the verse says.

Then we have -

LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

So I ask, if you believe all the Scripture? Then we can get into more discussion.

Galatians tells us the law had a limited time of jurisdiction by saying "added ...till." The Seed is Jesus.

I have tried to explain using the scriptures that the passage is not speaking about law passing.In fact the passage says:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets...."

Refers to the Torah and the writings of the prophets.Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies of Himself found therein.This is confirmed by the passage in Luke 24:27,44-47.

If you fail to see this then your understanding of the changes brought by Jesus will be deficient.

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all. I have provided God's WORD you have provided your own words. Who is to be believed God or you? I know who I BELIEVE *ROMANS 3:4. Please feel free to address my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

You are quoting an SDA version of the Sabbath.

This claim by you is against Jewish historical observance. Your claim is also in conflict with the new moon (start of the month) littered through the Old Testament.

Why do you resist the facts.

The new moon was the start of each month.

If you do not accept the scripture, Jewish history and Christian history. Then just say so LGW. If you do not have a single line of evidence just admit that you are making unsubstantiated claims.

 

[klutedavid]

I have tried to explain using the scriptures that the passage is not speaking about law passing.In fact the passage says:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets...."

Refers to the Torah and the writings of the prophets.Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies of Himself found therein.This is confirmed by the passage in Luke 24:27,44-47.

If you fail to see this then your understanding of the changes brought by Jesus will be deficient.

If any single law has fallen then the entire law is also fallen. Be careful my friend, if just one letter of the law falls, then the game is terminated.

 

[klutedavid]

Indeed and the context is the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS not the weekly SABBATH.

Incorrect my friend, Leviticus 23 without any doubt mentions the weekly Sabbath. More formally, Leviticus 23 is all about the appointed times of the Lord, for Israel to observe that is.

That includes weekly Sabbaths, to say otherwise is to be in conflict with God Himself.

 

[klutedavid]

Indeed and the context is the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS not the weekly SABBATH.

Where is the evidence LGW, claims must be supported by evidence. Various methods of reading the scripture are useless and are not evidence.

Leviticus 23:3
For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

How you can ignore the clear scripture is one thing. To reject Jewish and Christian history is another matter altogether.

Evidence, I must see the evidence!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are quoting an SDA version of the Sabbath.

This claim by you is against Jewish historical observance. Your claim is also in conflict with the new moon (start of the month) littered through the Old Testament.

Why do you resist the facts.

The new moon was the start of each month.

If you do not accept the scripture, Jewish history and Christian history. Then just say so LGW. If you do not have a single line of evidence just admit that you are making unsubstantiated claims.

Not at all brother I have only quoted God's WORD. They are God's WORD's not my words. According to wiki your claims of a Luna Sabbath is a false teaching.

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon[citation needed] citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical.[citation needed] The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

Biblical Sabbath
Further information: Biblical Sabbath

The Sabbath-Breaker Stoned (watercolor circa 1896–1902 by James Tissot)
Sabbath (as the verb שָׁבַת֙ šāḇaṯ) is first mentioned in the Genesis creation narrative, where the seventh day is set aside as a day of rest (in Hebrew, shabbath), and made holy by God (Genesis 2:2–3). Observation and remembrance of Sabbath (Hebrew: שַׁבָּת‎ šabbaṯ) is one of the Ten Commandments (the fourth in the original Jewish, the Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestant traditions, the third in Roman Catholic and Lutheran traditions). Most Jews who observe the Sabbath regard it as having been instituted as a perpetual covenant for the Israelites (Exodus 31:13–17), as a sign respecting two events: the day during which God rested after having completed Creation in six days (Exodus 20:8–11), and the Israelites' deliverance from Egypt (Deuteronomy 5:12–15). However, most Sabbath keeping Christians regard the Sabbath as having been instituted by God at the end of Creation week and that the entire world was then and continues to be, obliged to observe the seventh day Sabbath. Originally, Sabbath-breakers were officially to be cut off from the assembly or potentially killed (Exodus 31:15). Observance in the Hebrew Bible was universally from sixth-day sundown to seventh-day sundown (Nehemiah 13:19, cf. Leviticus 23:32),[2] on a seven-day week. Consultations with prophets (II Kings iv. 23) were sought on the Sabbath.[3] Sabbath corporate worship was not prescribed for the community at large and the Sabbath activities at the shrines were originally a convocation of priests for the purpose of offering divine sacrifices with family worship and rest being centered in homes.[4][5]

Seven-day week
Main article: Seven-day week
By synecdoche (naming the whole for a part), in Jewish sources by the time of the Septuagint, the term "Sabbath" (Greek Sabbaton, Strong's 4521) also came to mean an entire "se'nnight" or seven-day week, the interval between two weekly Sabbaths. Jesus's parable of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:9–14) describes the Pharisee as fasting "twice a week" (Greek dis tou sabbatou, literally, "Twice of the Sabbath").

Shabbat
Main article: Shabbat See also: Hebrew calendar Jewish Shabbat (Shabbath, Shabbes, Shobos, etc.) is a weekly day of rest, observed from sundown on Friday until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.

 

[safswan]

The mere fact that the new moon is celebrated in the Old Testament is all the evidence I need.

May I ask you why the start of the month was a celebration?

Ok just as I thought,you have no scripture to support your view.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Incorrect my friend, Leviticus 23 without any doubt mentions the weekly Sabbath.

And your point here is???

More formally, Leviticus 23 is all about the appointed times of the Lord, for Israel to observe that is. That includes weekly Sabbaths, to say otherwise is to be in conflict with God Himself.

Indeed. We are no longer in the OLD COVENANT now and do not have to observe the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. So what does this have to do with God's 4th commandment that is not ANNUAL but WEEKLY?

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all brother I have only quoted God's WORD. They are God's WORD's not my words. According to wiki your claims of a Luna Sabbath is a false teaching.

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon[citation needed] citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical.[citation needed] The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

Biblical Sabbath
Further information: Biblical Sabbath

The Sabbath-Breaker Stoned (watercolor circa 1896–1902 by James Tissot)
Sabbath (as the verb שָׁבַת֙ šāḇaṯ) is first mentioned in the Genesis creation narrative, where the seventh day is set aside as a day of rest (in Hebrew, shabbath), and made holy by God (Genesis 2:2–3). Observation and remembrance of Sabbath (Hebrew: שַׁבָּת‎ šabbaṯ) is one of the Ten Commandments (the fourth in the original Jewish, the Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestant traditions, the third in Roman Catholic and Lutheran traditions). Most Jews who observe the Sabbath regard it as having been instituted as a perpetual covenant for the Israelites (Exodus 31:13–17), as a sign respecting two events: the day during which God rested after having completed Creation in six days (Exodus 20:8–11), and the Israelites' deliverance from Egypt (Deuteronomy 5:12–15). However, most Sabbath keeping Christians regard the Sabbath as having been instituted by God at the end of Creation week and that the entire world was then and continues to be, obliged to observe the seventh day Sabbath. Originally, Sabbath-breakers were officially to be cut off from the assembly or potentially killed (Exodus 31:15). Observance in the Hebrew Bible was universally from sixth-day sundown to seventh-day sundown (Nehemiah 13:19, cf. Leviticus 23:32),[2] on a seven-day week. Consultations with prophets (II Kings iv. 23) were sought on the Sabbath.[3] Sabbath corporate worship was not prescribed for the community at large and the Sabbath activities at the shrines were originally a convocation of priests for the purpose of offering divine sacrifices with family worship and rest being centered in homes.[4][5]

Seven-day week
Main article: Seven-day week
By synecdoche (naming the whole for a part), in Jewish sources by the time of the Septuagint, the term "Sabbath" (Greek Sabbaton, Strong's 4521) also came to mean an entire "se'nnight" or seven-day week, the interval between two weekly Sabbaths. Jesus's parable of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:9–14) describes the Pharisee as fasting "twice a week" (Greek dis tou sabbatou, literally, "Twice of the Sabbath").

Shabbat
Main article: Shabbat See also: Hebrew calendar Jewish Shabbat (Shabbath, Shabbes, Shobos, etc.) is a weekly day of rest, observed from sundown on Friday until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.

Jewish calendar (wiki.newmoon.Jewishcalendar)
Main article: Rosh Chodesh
The new moon signifies the start of every Jewish month, and is considered an important date and minor holiday in the Hebrew calendar.

The start of the month determines when the Sabbath occurs. Your refusal of Jewish history is astounding.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where is the evidence LGW, claims must be supported by evidence. Various methods of reading the scripture are useless and are not evidence.

Leviticus 23:3
For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

How you can ignore the clear scripture is one thing. To reject Jewish and Christian history is another matter altogether.

Evidence, I must see the evidence!

The EVIDENCE provided to you brother is God's WORD. Now God's WORD is not my word but God's WORD. You have only provided your own words which are not God's WORD. When you have been asked for SCRIPTURE evidence to show that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day you have provided none. Now if JESUS says that all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God and you have no scripture that supports your tradition, then does this not worry you?

 

[klutedavid]

And your point here is???


Indeed. We are no longer in the OLD COVENANT now and do not have to observe the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. So what does this have to do with God's 4th commandment that is not ANNUAL but WEEKLY?

I have already quoted the weekly Sabbath marked down in Leviticus 23.

Where is this evidence, you must demonstrate how Jewish history and Christian history is fiction. This sounds like an old wives tale.

 

[klutedavid]

Ok just as I thought,you have no scripture to support your view.

Leviticus 23:3
For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

The start of the month and the subsequent occurrence of the Sabbath is based on the new moon.

You need to explain why the Jews celebrated the new moon each month.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jewish calendar (wiki.newmoon.Jewishcalendar)
Main article: Rosh Chodesh
The new moon signifies the start of every Jewish month, and is considered an important date and minor holiday in the Hebrew calendar.

Thankyou. Now look at what you have posted here. This is only supporting what I have already posted through the scriptures and shows that the Luna Calander is to provide the timing of the seasons for the commencment of the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. It has nothing to do with the starting of God's 4th command weekly SEVENTH DAY Sabbath outside of the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. Honestly brother I am not sure why you have not been able to see this from the start.

The start of the month determines when the Sabbath occurs. Your refusal of Jewish history is astounding.

The post you quoted does not support what you are saying. As shown through the scriptures already and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you as does the outside sources already quoted. I have already explained many times now what the purpose of the NEW MOON was for. What is it you do not understand?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Leviticus 23:3
For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.
The start of the month and the subsequent occurrence of the Sabbath is based on the new moon. You need to explain why the Jews celebrated the new moon each month.

As shown earlier through the scriptures you mix up the Shadow laws from LEVITICUS 23 with Gods' ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

As posted earlier the FEAST days and HOLY CONVOCATIONS are in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. HOLY CONVOCATION means CALLED OUT to a PUBLIC ASSEMBLY. Now if there are no more ANNUAL FEAST DAYS and their ANNUAL HOLY CONCOVATIONS (called out public assemblies), How does this effect God's 4th Commandment which is not ANNUAL but WEEKLY?

The SHADOW ceremonial sabbaths have already been defined and shown in the HEBREW word meaning as being "SPECIAL" sabbaths connected to annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These special sabbaths are not God's 4th commandment and were connected directly to these feats and could fall on ANY DAY of the WEEK.

These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

This does not effect God's 4th Commandment as it is not yearly but weekly and one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.

Sorry brother God's Word disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where is this evidence, you must demonstrate how Jewish history and Christian history is fiction. This sounds like an old wives tale.

Why would I need to do that? You have been provided God's WORD showing Jewish history. God's WORD does not support your understanding of it. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4