The trinity is foundational, not an option

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yea along with the writers of scripture, they seemed to miss that little fact.

No. You simply are not aware of the Scriptures in their entirety.
Who was Jesus praying to in the Garden? Himself?
Who replied back? Himself?
All three persons of the Godhead were present at the baptism of Jesus Christ.
A person cannot be forgiven if they blaspheme the Holy Ghost, and yet this is not the case if it is with the Son. So this proves that there is a distinction between the Godhead or the Trinity.
Your denial or refusal to see such an obvious truth does not make it true.
 
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Here it is from Wikipedia:

"Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic or Jesus' Name Pentecostalism) is a movement within the Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism. It derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the "Oneness doctrine," a form of Modalistic Monarchianism. This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine Spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. "

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Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

Gotquestions also confirms that United Pentecostals believe in Modalism.

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Neither.

God is one spirit being or one God, but He also exists as three distinct persons. Think of it like this (although it is a crude pictorial example):

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So they are three persons and yet connected as one God.

Now, imagine if these paper cut outs were like bottles that were fillable with liquid. I poured a red color liquid in one. This would represent one member or person of the Trinity. The other one would be a blue liquid. Now if I took the red liquid and mixed it in the blue, this is what it would be like when Jesus says He is one with the Father. Do you get it?
I think its funny that people trust outside sources to define positions they oppose of and people believe the narrative. Pentecostals do not refer to themselves as modalists.
God is not divided into persons. Although we would all agree there is a distinction between the Spirit of God and the Fleshly body of Jesus Christ. Flesh is not Spirit. The Spirit of God was in the Son Jesus Christ.
 
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Jesus is our everlasting Father because we will one day be resurrected bodily after His flesh and blood.
I see you have forsaken this thought and jumped to another subject. I hope you see this error.
 
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I think its funny that people trust outside sources to define positions they oppose of and people believe the narrative. Pentecostals do not refer to themselves as modalists.
God is not divided into persons. Although we would all agree there is a distinction between the Spirit of God and the Fleshly body of Jesus Christ. Flesh is not Spirit. The Spirit of God was in the Son Jesus Christ.

Right, and so if God is not made up of three distinct persons, then who was Jesus praying to?
Why can a person not be forgiven if they speak bad words against the Holy Ghost and yet this is not the case with the Son?
 
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I think its funny that people trust outside sources to define positions they oppose of and people believe the narrative. Pentecostals do not refer to themselves as modalists.

I am sure. But that is the reality of what they are called by everyone else.

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God is not divided into persons. Although we would all agree there is a distinction between the Spirit of God and the Fleshly body of Jesus Christ. Flesh is not Spirit. The Spirit of God was in the Son Jesus Christ.

No. Jesus Christ was manifested in the flesh.

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God" (1 John 4:2).

Jesus came in the flesh.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God (See the beginning of the gospel of John). How can the Word be God and also be WITH God? This only makes sense if the Trinity is true.
 
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Right, and so if God is not made up of three distinct persons, then who was Jesus praying to?
Why can a person not be forgiven if they speak bad words against the Holy Ghost and yet this is not the case with the Son?
That funny the first question you ask is the same I ask trinitarians who say the Father Son and Spirit are coequal and coeternal. I take it trinitarians do not understand the incarnation very well, There is one Spirit of God and not three right? I think you would agree. But we know that one God in different ways. Such as we know God as our Father because he created all things. Would you agree? We also know that one Spirit of God as the Holy Spirit that indwells the believer right. Would you agree its the same Spirit? If so then we can say we know God as our Father and we know the same "not different" God as the Spirit within us. So what is the difference in the Holy Spirit and the Father other than the relationship and how we understand. The same applies to Jesus. Jesus is that same God manifest or known to us as the Son of God. God as man would not come as a nonbeliever but as a man he believed in God "Jesus was not a Atheist" God as a man was limited by self imposed limitations as he was a real man and not an eternal everlasting Son but God became a real person. However the flesh was not deity but the spirit that was in Him was that same Spirit of God. And there is the distinction between the Son and the Father. As a man God was known as the Son yet Jesus could accurately say He that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Why Because he was the Father manifest in the flesh.

The reason blaspheme against the Holy Ghost and not the Son is because the Son was flesh People killed the flesh and were offered mercy. Yet the agent of Mercy is the indwelling Spirit of God. once rejected God has no other way to save. one cant be saved without the Spirit of God in them.
 
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Yes, they are consubstantial. The work of creation was initiated and completed in the unity of essence of all three persons (from the Father, through the Son, by the Spirit).

Do you agree that the Son and the Spirit do not subsist from the Father?
I don’t believe that any part of the Godhead subsists from another, but neither are they separate. I believe the Word proceeded forth from the Father and became flesh (which was with God in the beginning), and the Spirit proceeds forth from the Son to his church (and subsequently the world).

By proceed, I mean a coming forth of. Nothing more, nothing less. Because the Word was present prior to the incarnation, and the Spirit was too.

Still one Spirit though. One God. One mind.

Like I said earlier, I believe in a distinction within the Godhead, but a distinct, yet unified God that I wouldn’t personally describe as being “three persons,” especially since the Bible doesn’t use that language itself. The three are one.

It is not a-biblical to say that Jesus is one with the Father and therefore equal to him in all respects of Godhead, power and authority.

They created all things. He created all things. Both statements are perfectly valid.
 
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Here it is from Wikipedia:

"Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic or Jesus' Name Pentecostalism) is a movement within the Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism. It derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the "Oneness doctrine," a form of Modalistic Monarchianism. This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine Spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. "

Source:
Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

Gotquestions also confirms that United Pentecostals believe in Modalism.

What is the United Pentecostal Church?



Neither.

God is one spirit being or one God, but He also exists as three distinct persons. Think of it like this (although it is a crude pictorial example):

full


So they are three persons and yet connected as one God.

Now, imagine if these paper cut outs were three dimensional like bottles that were fillable with liquid. I poured a red color liquid in one person. This would represent one member or person of the Trinity. The other one would be a blue liquid. Now if I took the red liquid and mixed it in the blue, this is what it would be like when Jesus says He is one with the Father. Do you get it?
Oneness Pentecostals also believe in the Trimanifestation of God as simultaneous which sets them apart from the Modalism of the Past.
"Oneness Pentecostals find in modalistic monarchianism of the fourth century a historical predecessor that affirmed the two central aspects of their own convictions:

  1. There is one indivisible God with no distinction of persons in God's eternal essence, and
  2. Jesus Christ is the manifestation, human personification, or incarnation of the one God.[4]
The Oneness doctrine differs from Sabellianism in that Oneness Pentecostals conceive of the "trimanifestation" of God as simultaneous instead of successive, as is the case with classical Modalism. They contend that, based on Colossians 2:9, the concept of God's personhood is reserved for the immanent and incarnate presence of Jesus only."

This is also from Wikipedia
 
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I'm not "oneness", but Steven Anderson is not one that you should be relying on for sound doctrine.
Yeah, Anderson is one of those KJV Only cultists.
 
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The basis of our belief is under attack by the religion of the Antichrist. We see it everywhere, oneness is growing. People do not believe in the trinity anymore, welcome to the end times.

Who here still believes in the true God, the father, the son and the holy ghost?

In this sermon you see a very upset pastor because the had to throw out oneness heretics out of his church again. People who had pretended to be real believers for years, even were on the payroll of the church were spreading this false doctrine of oneness.

Trinity 101 (Throwing Out Oneness Heretics) by Steven Anderson – IFBTube

What';s wrong with arianism?
 
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I got deceived by oneness the very first week I got saved.

I found the trinity on my own by reading the Bible.

1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I cannot deny what the word of God says.

I am so confused why people don't get the Trinity.
 
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The basis of our belief is under attack by the religion of the Antichrist. We see it everywhere, oneness is growing. People do not believe in the trinity anymore, welcome to the end times.

Who here still believes in the true God, the father, the son and the holy ghost?

In this sermon you see a very upset pastor because the had to throw out oneness heretics out of his church again. People who had pretended to be real believers for years, even were on the payroll of the church were spreading this false doctrine of oneness.

Trinity 101 (Throwing Out Oneness Heretics) by Steven Anderson – IFBTube
Jesus never taught that he was the 2nd person of an indivisible Trinity. The Trinity would have collapsed if 1/3 of it left and became a baby human.

Antichrist were those who deny Jesus was the Christ, it has nothing to do with the Trinity.
 
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I do hope the mods are taking notes due to this forum rule:

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We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)"
 
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I don’t believe that any part of the Godhead subsists from another, but neither are they separate. I believe the Word proceeded forth from the Father and became flesh (which was with God in the beginning), and the Spirit proceeds forth from the Son to his church (and subsequently the world).

By proceed, I mean a coming forth of. Nothing more, nothing less. Because the Word was present prior to the incarnation, and the Spirit was too.

Still one Spirit though. One God. One mind.

Like I said earlier, I believe in a distinction within the Godhead, but a distinct, yet unified God that I wouldn’t personally describe as being “three persons,” especially since the Bible doesn’t use that language itself. The three are one.

It is not a-biblical to say that Jesus is one with the Father and therefore equal to him in all respects of Godhead, power and authority.

They created all things. He created all things. Both statements are perfectly valid.

Do you believe the eternal generation of the Son, that he isn't "proceeding" forth from the Father only in the incarnation, but always is the Word "proceeding?"

I agree that God is one mind, one will, one eternity, etc. However, I am wondering if you see a real personal distinction between all three in relation to each other?
 
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The basis of our belief is under attack by the religion of the Antichrist. We see it everywhere, oneness is growing. People do not believe in the trinity anymore, welcome to the end times.

Who here still believes in the true God, the father, the son and the holy ghost?

In this sermon you see a very upset pastor because the had to throw out oneness heretics out of his church again. People who had pretended to be real believers for years, even were on the payroll of the church were spreading this false doctrine of oneness.

Trinity 101 (Throwing Out Oneness Heretics) by Steven Anderson – IFBTube
The Trinity is the best way for a Christian to understand the One in three divinity. So some just can't grasp the Triune Godhead and so fall into oneness without really understanding that this teaches Modalism. That the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work separately in three different modes and time frames. If this were true, what mode are we in now? You see, if a modalist takes this belief to its logical conclusion they would need to deny one of the three persons in the Trinity.
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Do you believe the eternal generation of the Son, that he isn't "proceeding" forth from the Father only in the incarnation, but always is the Word "proceeding?"

I agree that God is one mind, one will, one eternity, etc. However, I am wondering if you see a real personal distinction between all three in relation to each other?
I do not believe in eternal generation. I believe Jesus was begotten as flesh at a period in time. That there is no relationship consisting of two or more persons within the Godhead before the incarnation.
 
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The Trinity is the best way for a Christian to understand the One in three divinity. So some just can't grasp the Triune Godhead and so fall into oneness without really understanding that this teaches Modalism. That the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work separately in three different modes and time frames. If this were true, what mode are we in now? You see, if a modalist takes this belief to its logical conclusion they would need to deny one of the three persons in the Trinity.
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You unknowingly just stated the Trinitarian position of the Godhead that the Father Son and Spirit work separately in different modes. You might want to rethink your post.
 
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The Trinity is the best way for a Christian to understand the One in three divinity. So some just can't grasp the Triune Godhead and so fall into oneness without really understanding that this teaches Modalism. That the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work separately in three different modes and time frames. If this were true, what mode are we in now? You see, if a modalist takes this belief to its logical conclusion they would need to deny one of the three persons in the Trinity.
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Oneness Pentecostal believe in the Trimanifestion of God simultaneously.
 
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