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Yep so don't do it. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Do you have any scripture to share?
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my position is that you are using a straw man argument and I have yet to reveal what my position is regarding the Sabbath. The OP is based on a straw man argument whether you accept it or not. your challenge is to change the language of the OP before I will engage it.
"Are"? Are what? Are a shadow.Read the verse very carefully.
"...things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (NASB)
The word "estin" in the Greek is a present tense verb correctly translated as "are." Therefore "are" indicates they ARE a shadow of things to come which indicates that they are still in existence and continuing to be practiced by these believers. Paul did not write "things which WERE a shadow of things to come." Paul is not stating don't practice them. He is stating don't let anyone judge you - as you are practicing these things. Evidently, the Colossian believers distinguished between clean/unclean foods, observed the Jewish religious festivals, New Moons and kept the Jewish Sabbath. If this be true, the question is why don't believers do the same today?
Hebrew especially is a different language than Greek or English. Hebrew is more a language of pictorial expression than a language of "word nuance". It's sort of like sign language. The words give you pictures. We might say "annoyed", "angry" or "wrath". In Hebrew, the base of that concept is literally "snorting nostril". Now is it a "big snorting nostril" or a "little snorting nostril". This is what make Hebrew very interesting and almost easier than Greek to translate.
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practicesYep so don't do it. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Do you have any scripture to share?
My position is that you are trying to use a strawman argument because you have no scripture to share for your position.
This is why (in context of current thread) there's 2 sets of Sabbaths. There's an OT set of sabbaths and there's a NT set of sabbaths. The OT sabbath was a day of physical non labor. That was a picture of the NT sabbath to come. This is why when people say "Christ is my sabbath." That is not theologically wrong either. Even tough I don't think the Scripture ever technically calls Jesus "our sabbath" but it does call him our "rest". Again, another example of theological hermeneutics.
The other two volumes are dictionaries. And of course they are as helpful as the dictionary is accurately translated. Yet, not even really knowing the language well, we have a way to check these definitions. Comparing the Scripture to itself to develop a general definition of what the word we're studying means. This is why I don't go to secular definitions per-say of "in Greek this word could have meaning X, Y, Z or F if A and B apply." The outside sources may or may not have valid standing. What does the Scripture's own internal definitions convey? We know we got that right when its theologically sound to the main theme of Scripture itself. Keeping in mind of course that the entire book is about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Everywhere in this book - is somehow related to Jesus.
The other thing I do in regards to Bible study is historical research; which with the Internet, that is much easier than it would have been say 50 years ago. (God has given us a tremendous gift with the Internet.) I do research on historical context because there is some value in it - although it is not the be all and end all of understanding the Scripture either.
Is this a lie or truth -If you do not have scripture for your position then we should consider carefully why follow man made traditions over the WORD of GOD? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. *ROMANS 3:4
Lev 23 clearly says the sabbath is as feast day.Not at all brother Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the weekly sabbath it is talking about the ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual feasts.
I don't know anything about sign language, but I really got a lot out of some of the background talks of my language professor. I actually tend to think of Hebrew as Martian. We as general western raised Christians have some familiarity with Hebrew and Jewish stuff around the Bible. But there is a lot of things that are extremely weird and alien. Just think of this thread and imagine what is going to happen when Easter/Pascha rolls around...
(I am assuming you are on the same page with me and most of Christianity in accepting the general Friday afternoon burial of Jesus taking place around in between 3 to 5 pm, and his Resurrection taking place just before sunrise of Sunday morning maybe just before 6 am).
The whole background around that coming from the weird counter intuitive Jewish custom of "Inclusive Reckoning" will I'm sure set this guy off with a thread how this is a "pagan teaching" etc. and if or when he does I will be ready!
Why do you post this and your statement below about unrepentant sin? I take take it as double speak. Double speak is known as saying something from one side of your mouth and contradicting it with the other side of your mouth.Hello brother Neogaia777, some comments for your consideration below.
Brother the issue is not weather you go to Church on Sunday, Monday Tuesday or Wednesday. The issue is over SIN and KNOWINGLY breaking any one of God's 10 commandments. As shown through this OP in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.
All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
This part of your post is confusing brother. Not sure what your trying to say here did you wish to explain it further?
There is nothing impossible to those who BELEIVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *MARK 9:23.
All who wish to follow God's WORD and are working on the Sabbath God can help you and find you work if you trust in him *MATTHEW 6:33-34
1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.
God bless.
It's evident you don't believe Jer 31:31-33.The Law of Moses is the book of the Covenant written by the hand of Moses.
Handwriting of ordinances-Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14; 2 Chronicles 33:8; Exodus 18:20; Leviticus 18:4; 2 Kings 17:34,35,37,38
Law of moses-Joshua 8:31,32,34,35; Joshua 23:6; Judges 4:11; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Kings 23:25; 2 Chronicles 23:18; 2 Chronicles 30:16; Ezra 3:2; Ezra 7:6; Nehemiah 8:1; Daniel 9:11,13; Malachi 4:4
Law of the Covenant/Book of the Covenant- Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2,3,21
Book of the Law- Deut 29:27,29; Joshua 1:7-8; Deuteronomy 31:24,26; Deuteronomy 30:10; Joshua 23:6; Joshua 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Chronicles 25:4; 2 Chronicles 17:9; Nehemiah 9:3; Nehemiah 8:1; Ezra 6:18; Nehemiah 13:1; 2 Kings 22:8-13 ; Psalm 40:7; 1 Samuel 10:25; Nehemiah 8:9; Joshua 8:31,31,34,35
The Moral law/ten commandments were written on stone by the finger of God(Deuteronomy 10:2-5;Exodus 25:16; Exodus 31:16-18; Exodus 34:1)
The Book of the Covenant(Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2) was only for a time, that is why God said there was going to be a new covenant(Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31). That is why the book of law, written by the hand of Moses(Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14) was not placed inside the ark of the Covenant with the ten commandments that were written in stone by the finger of God Twice (Deuteronomy 10:2-5;Exodus 25:16; Exodus 31:16-18; Exodus 34:1), but were instead placed by the side of the ark( Deut 31:26) signifying that the book of law(the book of the covenant) was only for a time.
Mosaic law written by the Hand of Moses was only for a time until Christ came.
Moral Law written by the Finger of God is eternal and kept since the beginning(Genesis 2:2-3) all the way into the new Heaven and the New earth(Isaiah 66:23).
True. As is this.Is this a lie or truth -
Yes I'm really big into that myself. Early Church stuff AD 1-500 especially, and Judaica. Recently I got into Heiser and you might be interested in him too if you ever get the time, then you might consider checking out the two videos below. (The Gnostic one is long but worth it if you got the time!)
So you believe the New Covenant is yet to come? If that's so the NT is a lie.Read the verse very carefully.
"...things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (NASB)
The word "estin" in the Greek is a present tense verb correctly translated as "are." Therefore "are" indicates they ARE a shadow of things to come which indicates that they are still in existence and continuing to be practiced by these believers. Paul did not write "things which WERE a shadow of things to come." Paul is not stating don't practice them. He is stating don't let anyone judge you - as you are practicing these things. Evidently, the Colossian believers distinguished between clean/unclean foods, observed the Jewish religious festivals, New Moons and kept the Jewish Sabbath. If this be true, the question is why don't believers do the same today?
Exactly!Wiki
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting anargument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."
Just plain amazing. There's not truth means it's a lie to me. Your posting Rom 3:4 is very off topic and can't be about anything else except accusation. The cults are very good at this.Not at all there is no truth in your claims or your post. None of the links you provide above support any of the claims you are making. Do you have any scritpures to share?
So you refuse to admit to reality.Indeed there is no scripture for it though as the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8