WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello brother Neogaia777, some comments for your consideration below.

I think I'm going to hell cause I worship on Sunday...?

Brother the issue is not weather you go to Church on Sunday, Monday Tuesday or Wednesday. The issue is over SIN and KNOWINGLY breaking any one of God's 10 commandments. As shown through this OP in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

The Sabbath was made for Man and not Man for the (sake of) the Sabbath, (or it is, or was, and still should be, (The Sabbath) to serve Him (Man), and not Him (the man) to serve the Sabbath (Day)); Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath Day" (or day of God's rest) (another time...) (Jesus thousand year reign is in itself a Sabbath or Sabbath Day) (another time)...

This part of your post is confusing brother. Not sure what your trying to say here did you wish to explain it further?

Therefore He (or he) can even change it in their or his or her own life, if they would ever so wish to or desire to... What about people that work all weekends and have to, if they want to go to a church service try to catch one in the middle of the week or something...? If they could even do that... Would they be sinning by doing that...? If so, why bother to come or try at all...? God Bless!

There is nothing impossible to those who BELEIVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *MARK 9:23.
All who wish to follow God's WORD and are working on the Sabbath God can help you and find you work if you trust in him *MATTHEW 6:33-34

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

God bless.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Verse 5 as I already mentioned.

The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT.

The Law of Moses is the book of the Covenant written by the hand of Moses.

Handwriting of ordinances-Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14; 2 Chronicles 33:8; Exodus 18:20; Leviticus 18:4; 2 Kings 17:34,35,37,38

Law of moses-Joshua 8:31,32,34,35; Joshua 23:6; Judges 4:11; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Kings 23:25; 2 Chronicles 23:18; 2 Chronicles 30:16; Ezra 3:2; Ezra 7:6; Nehemiah 8:1; Daniel 9:11,13; Malachi 4:4

Law of the Covenant/Book of the Covenant- Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2,3,21

Book of the Law- Deut 29:27,29; Joshua 1:7-8; Deuteronomy 31:24,26; Deuteronomy 30:10; Joshua 23:6; Joshua 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 2 Chronicles 25:4; 2 Chronicles 17:9; Nehemiah 9:3; Nehemiah 8:1; Ezra 6:18; Nehemiah 13:1; 2 Kings 22:8-13 ; Psalm 40:7; 1 Samuel 10:25; Nehemiah 8:9; Joshua 8:31,31,34,35


The Moral law/ten commandments were written on stone by the finger of God(Deuteronomy 10:2-5;Exodus 25:16; Exodus 31:16-18; Exodus 34:1)


The Book of the Covenant(Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2) was only for a time, that is why God said there was going to be a new covenant(Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31). That is why the book of law, written by the hand of Moses(Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14) was not placed inside the ark of the Covenant with the ten commandments that were written in stone by the finger of God Twice (Deuteronomy 10:2-5;Exodus 25:16; Exodus 31:16-18; Exodus 34:1), but were instead placed by the side of the ark( Deut 31:26) signifying that the book of law(the book of the covenant) was only for a time.


Mosaic law written by the Hand of Moses was only for a time until Christ came.

Moral Law written by the Finger of God is eternal and kept since the beginning(Genesis 2:2-3) all the way into the new Heaven and the New earth(Isaiah 66:23).

 

[The Righterzpen]

I wanted to thank some of the people posting their rebuttals on the thread the last day or so. I think there has been a lot of really good discussion.

I wanted to especially thank Righterzpen. Christian Apologetics is a bit of a hobby of mine, but the one area I struggle with are Biblical languages (God didn't grace with gifts in this area, when it comes to learning new languages). I took a year of Koine and a year of Hebrew at a Fuller Theological seminary extension campus, and I struggled to maintain a B- in Greek, and a C- in Hebrew, so this kind of input is quite useful to me and I thank you for it!

I don't have a formal education in Greek or Hebrew. I'm pretty much "self taught" yet by aide and assistant of multiple resources.

I don't read commentaries for the sake of theology. I read them for information. I'll tell you what I use though as far as my Bible study items.

King James Bible / Strong's concordance (Kind of a "given" they go together.)

Interlinear Bible with Strong's concordance numbers.

Englishman's Greek and Hebrew concordances. These have - if you look up a Strong's number, this will tell you everywhere in the Bible that number is used. This is quite handy because as i'm sure you know, the English translation isn't necessarily the same Greek or Hebrew word consistently. Also, looking at what all these words are translated as can give you a broader idea of what the word means. I do this to try and get a general idea of what the concept of the world means.

Hebrew especially is a different language than Greek or English. Hebrew is more a language of pictorial expression than a language of "word nuance". It's sort of like sign language. The words give you pictures. We might say "annoyed", "angry" or "wrath". In Hebrew, the base of that concept is literally "snorting nostril". Now is it a "big snorting nostril" or a "little snorting nostril". This is what make Hebrew very interesting and almost easier than Greek to translate.

Now the good thing about New Testament Greek is that it borrows a lot from the Hebrew. So from a hermeneutic standpoint, sometimes the carry over makes better sense. And sometimes you can get a better understanding from the carry over.

For example "made him a little lower than the angels". New Testament, quotes Old Testament. In the OT though, the word "angels" isn't "angolos" it's "Elohim". God made Christ a little lower than God. In the NT though, it's the word "angolos".

"Angolos" though is also translated "messenger" and in some cases, it's very clear it's a human messenger. "David sent a messenger to Saul." Cases like that, obviously David didn't send an "angel".

So, God made Jesus Christ "a little lower than God" (the Father) but also "a little lower than the messengers". This fits in with Jesus saying he came as a servant. Ultimately his service was to sacrifice himself to redeem sinners.

Now this makes hermeneutical sense with the entire Scripture. Man is made in God's image and so it does make sense Jesus takes a position subservient to the redeemed in order to redeem them.

Another place in the Scripture says we (the redeemed) will judge angels. So from a theological standpoint, it also would not make sense for God (the Father) to make Jesus "a little lower than the angels" (i.e. these created non carbon based beings that either transgress or they don't).

See how that works? This is where we use our brains to figure out what the Scriptures are actually saying to us.

This is why (in context of current thread) there's 2 sets of Sabbaths. There's an OT set of sabbaths and there's a NT set of sabbaths. The OT sabbath was a day of physical non labor. That was a picture of the NT sabbath to come. This is why when people say "Christ is my sabbath." That is not theologically wrong either. Even tough I don't think the Scripture ever technically calls Jesus "our sabbath" but it does call him our "rest". Again, another example of theological hermeneutics.

See how that works?

Now, I want to tell you the rest of my Bible study items. (Before I go.)

They come out of what's called "The Word Study Series" It's a group of 4 of them. Two of the volumes have the Strong's numbers, English translation with the grammatical notations. And they are keyed to the "Received Text" (which is more trustworthy than the "critical texts" / or "alternate" texts). These grammatical connotations tell you if it's 1st person, 2nd, 3rd, passive, active, future, indicative, imperative (etc) - Having taken Greek and Hebrew, you probably know what I'm talking about.

The other two volumes are dictionaries. And of course they are as helpful as the dictionary is accurately translated. Yet, not even really knowing the language well, we have a way to check these definitions. Comparing the Scripture to itself to develop a general definition of what the word we're studying means. This is why I don't go to secular definitions per-say of "in Greek this word could have meaning X, Y, Z or F if A and B apply." The outside sources may or may not have valid standing. What does the Scripture's own internal definitions convey? We know we got that right when its theologically sound to the main theme of Scripture itself. Keeping in mind of course that the entire book is about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Everywhere in this book - is somehow related to Jesus.

And so that's how I study. I have found it very fruitful to study that way. Granted, depending on what you're searching for may take a lot of digging.

The other thing I do in regards to Bible study is historical research; which with the Internet, that is much easier than it would have been say 50 years ago. (God has given us a tremendous gift with the Internet.) I do research on historical context because there is some value in it - although it is not the be all and end all of understanding the Scripture either.

So, be encouraged to continue to study, regardless of if you only got a B in Greek or a C in Hebrew. LOL You're ahead of me in that regard - I didn't even take the class!

LOL

 

[Saint Steven]

The short answer is that the Sabbath Day is pretty arbitrary and we would have to go back more than a half dozen centuries to realize that most then didn't observe it on the same day of the week as they do now.

The Gregorian Calendar which is accepted by most of the world now was not established until the 16th Century and advanced the current day by I think 12 days if I remember correctly, so certainly Saturday or Sunday was changed to a different day than it would have been under the old Julian Calendar that did not accurately represent a full year or allow for the quarterly equinoxes.

To assume that we know exactly now what day the Lord rested if we traced the Gregorian Calendar back to the beginning just doesn't hold up in the most basic common sense equation. For those to whom the exact date is important, I can believe that God blesses you for being faithful to what you believe is right.

For the rest of us, I just don't think Jesus, God with us, was all that concerned with following rules to the letter just because they were rules. I think he does not want us to work 24/7 and wants us to take a weekly day of rest and honor him. . .UNLESS. . .our figurative ox is in the ditch--for real and not for just an excuse--in which case I don't think it is a cardinal sin to figuratively pull it out. And I don't think God cares which day of the week we observe as the Sabbath personally, as a church community, or in our immediate society.

I am old enough to remember when towns pretty much rolled up the sidewalks on Saturday night, all businesses and services closed except those that simply had to operate on Sunday--hospitals and such--and Sunday was then observed by all as the Sabbath whether he/she was Christian or not. In those days the Jews and Saturday observing Christians all got two days of rest because they did observe Friday sundown to Saturday sundown as the Sabbath but since nobody would do business on Sunday, they didn't bother to run their businesses then either even if the 'blue laws' had allowed that.

And in retrospect, that tradition was a good thing.

If you want to know when the Sabbath is, look to the Jews. They have been keeping it every seven days since Exodus chapter sixteen. (manna collection)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't have a formal education in Greek or Hebrew. I'm pretty much "self taught" yet by aide and assistant of multiple resources.

I don't read commentaries for the sake of theology. I read them for information. I'll tell you what I use though as far as my Bible study items.

King James Bible / Strong's concordance (Kind of a "given" they go together.)

Interlinear Bible with Strong's concordance numbers.

Englishman's Greek and Hebrew concordances. These have - if you look up a Strong's number, this will tell you everywhere in the Bible that number is used. This is quite handy because as i'm sure you know, the English translation isn't necessarily the same Greek or Hebrew word consistently. Also, looking at what all these words are translated as can give you a broader idea of what the word means. I do this to try and get a general idea of what the concept of the world means.

Hebrew especially is a different language than Greek or English. Hebrew is more a language of pictorial expression than a language of "word nuance". It's sort of like sign language. The words give you pictures. We might say "annoyed", "angry" or "wrath". In Hebrew, the base of that concept is literally "snorting nostril". Now is it a "big snorting nostril" or a "little snorting nostril". This is what make Hebrew very interesting and almost easier than Greek to translate.

Now the good thing about New Testament Greek is that it borrows a lot from the Hebrew. So from a hermeneutic standpoint, sometimes the carry over makes better sense. And sometimes you can get a better understanding from the carry over.

For example "made him a little lower than the angels". New Testament, quotes Old Testament. In the OT though, the word "angels" isn't "angolos" it's "Elohim". God made Christ a little lower than God. In the NT though, it's the word "angolos".

"Angolos" though is also translated "messenger" and in some cases, it's very clear it's a human messenger. "David sent a messenger to Saul." Cases like that, obviously David didn't send an "angel".

So, God made Jesus Christ "a little lower than God" (the Father) but also "a little lower than the messengers". This fits in with Jesus saying he came as a servant. Ultimately his service was to sacrifice himself to redeem sinners.

Now this makes hermeneutical sense with the entire Scripture. Man is made in God's image and so it does make sense Jesus takes a position subservient to the redeemed in order to redeem them.

Another place in the Scripture says we (the redeemed) will judge angels. So from a theological standpoint, it also would not make sense for God (the Father) to make Jesus "a little lower than the angels" (i.e. these created non carbon based beings that either transgress or they don't).

See how that works? This is where we use our brains to figure out what the Scriptures are actually saying to us.

This is why (in context of current thread) there's 2 sets of Sabbaths. There's an OT set of sabbaths and there's a NT set of sabbaths. The OT sabbath was a day of physical non labor. That was a picture of the NT sabbath to come. This is why when people say "Christ is my sabbath." That is not theologically wrong either. Even tough I don't think the Scripture ever technically calls Jesus "our sabbath" but it does call him our "rest". Again, another example of theological hermeneutics.

See how that works?

Now, I want to tell you the rest of my Bible study items. (Before I go.)

They come out of what's called "The Word Study Series" It's a group of 4 of them. Two of the volumes have the Strong's numbers, English translation with the grammatical notations. And they are keyed to the "Received Text" (which is more trustworthy than the "critical texts" / or "alternate" texts). These grammatical connotations tell you if it's 1st person, 2nd, 3rd, passive, active, future, indicative, imperative (etc) - Having taken Greek and Hebrew, you probably know what I'm talking about.

The other two volumes are dictionaries. And of course they are as helpful as the dictionary is accurately translated. Yet, not even really knowing the language well, we have a way to check these definitions. Comparing the Scripture to itself to develop a general definition of what the word we're studying means. This is why I don't go to secular definitions per-say of "in Greek this word could have meaning X, Y, Z or F if A and B apply." The outside sources may or may not have valid standing. What does the Scripture's own internal definitions convey? We know we got that right when its theologically sound to the main theme of Scripture itself. Keeping in mind of course that the entire book is about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Everywhere in this book - is somehow related to Jesus.

And so that's how I study. I have found it very fruitful to study that way. Granted, depending on what you're searching for may take a lot of digging.

The other thing I do in regards to Bible study is historical research; which with the Internet, that is much easier than it would have been say 50 years ago. (God has given us a tremendous gift with the Internet.) I do research on historical context because there is some value in it - although it is not the be all and end all of understanding the Scripture either.

So, be encouraged to continue to study, regardless of if you only got a B in Greek or a C in Hebrew. LOL You're ahead of me in that regard - I didn't even take the class!

LOL

Hello brother Righterzpen, nice to see you back again.

Nothing personal brother and shared with all love and respect, but as shown earlier through the scriptures and God's WORD you should probably take a class or two.

The thing is with God's WORD you will never understand it in your own efforts. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. In the NEW COVENANT God wants to be our teacher and promises to *JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13; JOHN 7:17; JOHN 8:31-36; HEBREWS 8:11.

There is only truth in God's living WORD and without God's Spirit how can we know the WORD of GOD. God's Word is revealed through his Spirit and is why it is written; I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

We should only point all to the Word of God because it is only in God's WORD we can find JESUS. May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD asking him to be your teacher.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Nothing personal brother and shared in all love and respect, but as shown earlier through the scriptures and God's WORD you should probably take a class or two. The thing is with God's WORD you will never understand it in your own efforts. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. In the NEW COVENANT God wants to be our teacher and promises to *JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13; JOHN 7:17; JOHN 8:31-36; HEBREWS 8:11. There is only truth in God's living WORD and without God's Spirit how can we know the WORD of GOD. God's Word is revealed through his Spirit and is why it is written; I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

God bless

Wasn't talking to you.

 

[Saint Steven]

Perhaps no one brought it up because it means the opposite of what you think. Notice that it states let no one judge you regarding what? They were observing religious festivals. They were observing the New Moon celebration. They were observing the Sabbath Day. Thus Paul is stating let no one judge you regarding your observance of the Sabbath.

The very next verse says those things are only a shadow, the reality is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Wasn't talking to you.

Ok brother, no need to be upset. Only wishing you love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost as found in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD and walk in his Spirit.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The very next verse says those things are only a shadow, the reality is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Depends on what is being defined as SHADOWS. The law in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT laws *EXODUS 24:7; COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 are not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLDGE of what SIN is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. The Shadow sabbaths connected to FEAST DAYS *COLOSSIANS 2:16 are not God's 4th Commandment.

 

[Washed Luminary]

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[Washed Luminary]

The 10 commandments ARE the old covenant. We are under the New Covenant. Christ fulfilled the the law perfectly for us.
Are you saying we are saved by law observance???

 

[Selene03]

Hello brother Neogaia777, some comments for your consideration below.

Brother the issue is not weather you go to Church on Sunday, Monday Tuesday or Wednesday. The issue is over SIN and KNOWINGLY breaking any one of God's 10 commandments. As shown through this OP in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.


This part of your post is confusing brother. Not sure what your trying to say here did you wish to explain it further?


There is nothing impossible to those who BELEIVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *MARK 9:23.
All who wish to follow God's WORD and are working on the Sabbath God can help you and find you work if you trust in him *MATTHEW 6:33-34

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

God bless.

God gave two commandents: to love God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is to love your neighbor. These two fulfills all the laws and prophets.

 

[Oldmantook]

The very next verse says those things are only a shadow, the reality is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Read the verse very carefully.
"...things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (NASB)
The word "estin" in the Greek is a present tense verb correctly translated as "are." Therefore "are" indicates they ARE a shadow of things to come which indicates that they are still in existence and continuing to be practiced by these believers. Paul did not write "things which WERE a shadow of things to come." Paul is not stating don't practice them. He is stating don't let anyone judge you - as you are practicing these things. Evidently, the Colossian believers distinguished between clean/unclean foods, observed the Jewish religious festivals, New Moons and kept the Jewish Sabbath. If this be true, the question is why don't believers do the same today?

 

[Blade]

Forgive me..but you leave out OTHER verses... you post the ones that help make your case. If you really looked in to this..then you KNOW the other verses. Then talking about John and Matt.. great.. but not ONE thing Christ said was to ANY Christian or ANY Church. ALL were under the LAW. Didnt GOD through Paul talk about this?

And WHY do some only follow SOME things in GODS word. There are I say this all the time.. over 7 thousand promises in GODS word. What the 10 commandments...ooh we should follow them but ALL the thousand of others things as in promises to those that LOVE HIM.. what.. dont follow. Then what was for JUST Israel? What was for the world? Then what ALL did they follow and HAVE to do on Sat? It was NOT easy..it was hard.

Again forgive me but..who are you? What authority was given to you to tell GODS people what day they are to keep? You have none. Its not your word.. not your commands not your promises. These people belong to a GOD. Who ever you are.. if you want to keep the SAT holy as they did BACK THEN..praise GOD glory to JESUS! But.. I really really really believe this GOD that lives IN all those that love him..where HE that has begun a good work in them.. He will finish it. And HE by HIS spirit tells them.. leads them... they need no man to tell them what GODS word really says Bless you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The 10 commandments ARE the old covenant. We are under the New Covenant. Christ fulfilled the the law perfectly for us.
Are you saying we are saved by law observance???

Hi brother Washed Luminary, nice to meet you and welcome .

Thanks very much for your thoughts brother. Actually though God's 10 commandments are only a part of the OLD COVENANT. The OLD COVENANT was made up of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and also the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. In the OLD COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW had the same role that it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS while the SHADOW laws in the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *EXODUS 24:7 included the laws of what to do if anyone broke God's 10 any of God's ETERNAL LAW (e.g. burnt offerings, sin offerings meat and drink offerings, cermonial Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood, annual feasts). All of these laws are the SHADOW laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind in the NEW COVENANT.

GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) however under the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always have and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. However, we are saved from SIN not to continue in sin. God's WORD says that All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken.

With this in mind the OP is simply asking the questions where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God gave two commandents: to love God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is to love your neighbor. These two fulfills all the laws and prophets.

Indeed and on these two commandment hang all the LAW and the prophets.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

God bless.

 

[DamianWarS]

It is your side not mine that is making the strawman against God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's 4th Commandment is one of those 10 commandments. JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN

I don't believe I have chosen a side, perhaps it has been implied but I'm not arguing a position I'm saying your argument is a straw man and am asking you to fix it. the funny thing denying the straw man and accusing me of the straw man is actually another straw man.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't believe I have chosen a side, perhaps it has been implied but I'm not arguing a position I'm saying your argument is a straw man and am asking you to fix it. the funny thing denying the straw man and accusing me of the straw man is actually another straw man.

Sorry brother I do not believe your claims above have any truth in it. As explained earlier.

Wiki
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting anargument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

Your making broard general claims for all of those who go to Church on Sunday that simply is not true. In my experience sharing God's WORD throughout my time there are many who genuinely teach and think God's 4th commandment is not binding on Christians or is abolished so your claims here are simply not true.

I am not making an argument against someone but simply providing the word of GOD in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and asking the questions where is the scripture for this tradition that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment. Your trying to make an argument against the OP and God's WORD that is not true.

It those teaching against God's 4th commandment that are making strawman arguments against God's Word. God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods 10 Commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN

God's WORD says all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

If you do not have scripture for your position then we should consider carefully why follow man made traditions over the WORD of GOD? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. *ROMANS 3:4

God bless.

 

[DamianWarS]

Sorry brother I do not believe your claims above have any truth in it. As explained earlier.

Wiki
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting anargument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

Your making broard general claims for all of those who go to Church on Sunday that simply is not true. In my experience sharing God's WORD throughout my time there are many who genuinely teach and think God's 4th commandment is not binding on Christians or is abolished so your claims here are simply not true.

I am not making an argument against someone but simply providing the word of GOD in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and asking the questions where is the scripture for this tradition that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment. Your trying to make an argument against the OP and God's WORD that is not true.

It those teaching against God's 4th commandment that are making strawman arguments against God's Word. God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods 10 Commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN

God's WORD says all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

If you do not have scripture for your position then we should consider carefully why follow man made traditions over the WORD of GOD? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. *ROMANS 3:4

God bless.

my position is that you are using a straw man argument and I have yet to reveal what my position is regarding the Sabbath. The OP is based on a straw man argument whether you accept it or not. your challenge is to change the language of the OP before I will engage it.

 

[DamianWarS]

Now did you have any scriptures to show that God's 4th Commandment has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?