A) Please provide one verse that says there is not a pretribulation rapture.
This type of reasoning is known as an argument from ignorance or negative proof fallacy. It's a type of logical fallacy. logical fallacies are poor arguments.
The burden of proof lies on the one who makes a positive claim, not the one who makes the negative claim.
B) I have provided multiple verses that show there is a pre tribulation rapture. If you take these verses and apply deductive reasoning you should be able to arrive at the correct conclusion, if you so choose.
You haven't provided one verse that states believers will be raptured (harpazo) to heaven prior to the tribulation.
C) Jesus tells us that we will not know when he will come. He will come in a hour that we think not. I believe Him.
I agree, I also believe his words:
Matthew 24:42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come
Are you expecting Him to make that statement and then provide you with a scripture of exactly when He is coming.
Not following you here or what sure this argument even means. Jesus stated no one knows the exact day or hour of his coming. I agree with that.
No one knows when the thief is coming. but the who is ready avoids having his house robbed, while the one who isn't ready is stolen from.
Starting in Rev 5 we see 24 elders and the throne. They say they are redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
This is not absolute proof of a pretrib rapture. You are using debatable "evidence" as your evidence. You are assuming "us" is the 100% original intent of Revelation 5:9
The KJV version has "us" = 4 living creatures and 24 elders in heaven
Revelation 5:9 (KJV) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed
us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
The ESV version has "those" = men/believers
Revelation 5:9 (ESV) . And they sang a new song: “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals,because You were slain,and by Your blood You purchased for God
those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
It's important to note that many of the greek manuscripts do not contain "us".
for example, the Codex sinaiticus (330-360AD)
Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open its seals, because thou wast slain and didst redeem to God in thy blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
So it is not necessarily the 24 elders and 4 living creatures who were redeemed. It is BOTH the 24 elders and 4 living creatures that sing about God redeeming all kinds of men by the blood of Christ.
Additionally, scripture does not define who the 4 living creatures and 24 elders are. Thus any interpretation is merely personal interpretation.
That has to mean He is coming more than once. He is coming Pre Trib and then He is coming immediately after the tribulation, Pre wrath.
Logically, no, that does not "have" to mean he comes more than once.
There's another solution. No one knows when the thief comes. The one who is ready does not allow his house to be broken into. The one his sleeps and is not ready is robbed.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.
The faithful servant, while he does not know when his master will return, is ready
Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
However, the wicked servant is not ready when master returns
Matthew 24:49-41 But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’
49and begins to beat his fellow servants
d and eats and drinks with drunkards,
50the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know
51and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Thus, no one knows the day, the righteous in Christ are ready for that day, while the wicked are not.
In 1 Thes 4 he says those that are asleep He will bring with Him. They will rise again.......likely on a harvest feast. Jesus will bring them with Him in the clouds. When the pretribulation rapture occurs those that are alive will be caught up......with those in the clouds........to meet the Lord in the air. At this point both the barley and wheat harvest would have occurred.
1 Thes 4
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 thessalonians 4 does not mention be caught up prior to the tribulation, and thus is not appropriate evidence for a pretrib rapture.
Even one scripture that states believers will be caught up (harpazo) prior to the tribulation will be sufficient.
The Church will be gone pretrib as proven in Rev 5.
As shown above, revelation 5 is NOT absolute proof of a pretrib rapture.
The 144,000 that are first fruits are a guarantee of a harvest.
The holy spirit gaurantees the harvest, which sealed the church starting in the 1st century and was poured out at pentecost. Notice, I have provided explicit scripture that states that.
1 corinthians 1:22 placed His seal on us, and put His Spirit in our hearts as a gaurantee of what is to come.
Acts 1:1-4 When the day of Pentecost came, the believers were all together in one place.
2Suddenly a sound like a mighty rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
We can see the Matt 24 event "immediately after the tribulation" occurring in Rev 6.
The resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous occurs around the time of the great tribulation.
Daniel 12:1-2 At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—shall escape.
2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
This is the fall fruit harvest. The righteous are gathered in the clouds. The unrighteous go through the wrath of God.
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
I partially agree. We definitely know the grape harvest occurred from summer to fall. This is shown above with angels gathering the grapes and putting them in the wine press. However, what type of harvest is shown by the son of man?
interestingly enough, Jerusalem was destroyed during the end of summer/beginning of fall in 70Ad
Salvation comes to the Gentiles pretrib.
I agree, we can see salvation going to the gentiles in the book of Acts.
Then the eyes of 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth are opened.
we can also see this happening in the book of acts.
They go through the tribulation, but not the wrath of God.
All believers are promised not to go through the wrath of God because of the saving blood of Christ.
Romans 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
The fall fruit harvest begins at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. Summer is near when the pretribulation rapture occurs.
This appears to be more personal interpretation.