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WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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Does your church go strictly by the Old Jewish Calendar, or keep all the OT festivals ect, in it and of it, ect, like the Jews do, or not...?

And if so, or if not, why does or why does it not...?

God Bless!
 
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Your loss,

God Bless!

Not really brother. It is only a loss to anyone ignoring God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. This is God's WORD not mine.
 
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As posted earlier there is no strawman argument. It is JESUS not me brother that says that if we KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. You are correct in saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as well as any other scriptures that address any of the questions in the OP here. Does that not worry you?
I don't think you properly understand what a straw man is. Saying there is no scripture that says the 4th commandment is abolished and there is now a commandment to keep Sunday is a straw man. It is a straw man because no one says or teaches this. It falsely represents the other side in a way that forces agreement when then is used to prop up your own argument. Since no one actually believes what you're saying there is nothing to discuss regarding it.
 
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I don't think you properly understand what a straw man is. Saying there is no scripture that says the 4th commandment is abolished and there is now a commandment to keep Sunday is a straw man. It is a straw man because no one says or teaches this. It falsely represents the other side in a way that forces agreement when then is used to prop up your own argument. Since no one actually believes what you're saying there is nothing to discuss regarding it.

Yep I do brother.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man." (wiki)

I am not making an argument against someone. Your trying to make an argument against the OP that is not true. It is your side not mine.
 
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Not really brother. It is only a loss to anyone ignoring God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. This is God's WORD not mine.
I 100% completely agree, those not following or ignoring Jesus and His Words or Gospel and are, or are not preaching or teaching, or promoting or pushing or trying to spread that, are not one of His and are not from or (ever were) of Him, but are wolves in sheep's clothing, imposters, ect...

He doesn't know them...

God Bless!
 
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I 100% completely agree, those not following or ignoring Jesus and His Words or Gospel and are, or are not preaching or teaching, or promoting or pushing or trying to spread that, are not one of His and are not from or (ever were) of Him, but are wolves in sheep's clothing, imposters, ect...

He doesn't know them...

God Bless!

Agreed. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. What do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10 mean?

God bless
 
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Yep I do brother.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting anargument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

I am not making an argument against someone. Your trying to make an argument against the OP that is not true. It is your side not mine.

let me help you out

the OP says:
Where does it say God's Sabbath is abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

You are implicitly starting an argument with 2 sides.

Argument 1: "God's Sabbath is not abolished and we are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy Day"

Argument 2: "God's Sabbath is abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day"

You are defending argument 1 and are trying to refute argument 2. Argument 2 is an informal fallacy. It's an informal fallacy because what it states cannot be proven and will always be false. You present Argument 2 like it is your opponent's argument but no one actually asserts this so you're trying to refute an argument that was never presented in the first place. Argument 2 is set up from the onset to fail because it is an informal fallacy since it crumbles easily (think of a straw man falling over) all that is left standing is argument 1 which then is presented as the only right position. Argument 1's thesis is correct (what I wrote above) but the meat of what you wrote in the OP would be hotly refuted. This is a straw man and it is a textbook example of it.

Remember, you build an argument for your opponent that is weak but something your opponent never actually asserts. because it is weak you can easily knock it down just like a straw man.

Let me fix your argument:
you say:
Where does it say God's Sabbath is abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

again it's a straw man because no one says the Sabbath is abolished, and no one says there is a command to keep Sunday as a Holy Day but let's fix it so it's no longer a straw man.

The issue here is that people are not keeping the Sabbath and seem to be keeping another day (Sunday) but this is not the same as asserting your opponent claims the Sabbath is abolished or that keeping the Sunday is a command (this is why it's a straw man argument). so to represent your opponent better you could say:

Where does it say God's Sabbath is [fulfilled or no longer needs to be observed] and we [now value worship on] Sunday?

this is not a straw man because it is an actual assertion from your assumed opponent and it can be properly engaged. So it's up to you. continue with your straw man or change your language to respect and accurately represent your opponent. Also, listen to your opponent and use their language to refute their position rather than change their words to something easier for you to reject. Doing the latter is what changes it to a straw man argument.

I'll be clear, I'm targetting your words "abolish" and "command" and am telling you no one uses these words so I challenge you to use the words your opponent is actually using.
 
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Agreed. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. What do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10 mean?

God bless
I think the commandment is Love from the heart and free from hypocrisy or being hypocritical, and free from unnecessary judging and judgement of others, especially in and on things o subjects like "this" on here, or here in this thread...

"Why" are you doing what it is your trying to do anyway, and have you really searched yourself (first) to see if it is good or right or holy or not...? The right gospel or not, or of the Spirit of the right gospel or not...?

If I worship on Sunday, am I going to hell...? Or not...?

And if I am not, then why does any of "this" (here) matter anyway...?

God Bless!
 
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I think the commandment is Love from the heart and free from hypocrisy or being hypocritical, and free from unnecessary judging and judgement of others, especially in and on things o subjects like "this" on here, or here in this thread...

"Why" are you doing what it is your trying to do anyway, and have you really searched yourself (first) to see if it is good or right or holy or not...? The right gospel or not, or of the Spirit of the right gospel or not...?

If I worship on Sunday, am I going to hell...? Or not...?

And if I am not, then why does any of "this" (here) matter anyway...?

God Bless!

What is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 (1-2) and 1 JOHN 3:3-10? (3). Isn't it that we SIN not and that SIN is breaking Gods Commandments? It is LOVE however that fulffills God's LAW in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10. This is the NEW COVENANT promise in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God *HEBREWS 8:10-12

God bless
 
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What is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 (1-2) and 1 JOHN 3:3-10? (3). Isn't it that we SIN not and that SIN is breaking Gods Commandments? It is LOVE however that fulffills God's LAW in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10. This is the NEW COVENANT promise in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God *HEBREWS 8:10-12

God bless
And Love will cover on multitude of sins till we get there or when or while we are (still) messed up, and only Love will (be able to do this)...

God Bless!
 
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And Love will cover on multitude of sins till we get there or when or while we are (still) messed up, and only Love will (be able to do this)...

God Bless!

Well brother you did not answer the question asked of you in relation to 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10. This however does not matter perhaps you can prayerfully look at the scriptures at home. LOVE forgives sin to those who do not continue in sin (known). According to Gods WORD those who continue in sin do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN.

God bless.
 
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If you see your brother drunk and falling asleep on a railway track and the train is coming in 5 mins are you loving your brother by waking him up or letting him sleep? If God saw this and you did not wake your sleepy brother would God hold you accountable?

Did you wish you answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If this was that all that important the Apostles would have stressed it.
 
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If this was that all that important the Apostles would have stressed it.

God's WORD does EZEKIEL 3:17-21. You did not answer the questions asked of you earlier.

If you see your brother drunk and falling asleep on a railway track and the train is coming in 5 mins are you loving your brother by waking him up or letting him sleep? If God saw this and you did not wake your sleepy brother would God hold you accountable?

Did you wish you answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God bless
 
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No teachings on the Christian Saturday sabbath, sorry. Just like there is no teaching on a temporal hell.

Sorry brother I do not understand whay your saying? Are you saying that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) does not give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS inthe NEW COVENANANT as written in *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSAMS 119:172? Who should we believe God or you?
 
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Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. - Galatians 5:2

And if you observe a Saturday sabbath Christ will also profit you nothing.

What has CIRCUMCISION have to do with God's 10 commandments?
 
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The heartbeat of the gospel is in Christ and him crucified and not the Old Testament law.

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. - 1 Corinthians 1:17
 
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The heartbeat of the gospel is in Christ and him crucified and not the Old Testament law.

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. - 1 Corinthians 1:17

In the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. IT is the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures that bare witness to the NEW. Together they are the WORD of GOD *2 TIMOTHY 3:16; MATTHEW 4:4 that testifies of JESUS and it is JESUS who is the LIVING WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14 who we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW *MATTHEW 11:28-30. God's Sheep hear His Voice (the WORD). God's WORD is the gospel of JESUS CHRIST. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men over the Word of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God bless
 
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Great passage was brought up at least once in the second page I believe (by an Anabaptist poster), and someone else I think also may have referenced it. And I actually foot noted it in my first post, in the subpoint dealing with the Judaizers in the NT. It doesn't matter as far as the poster goes because he is set to dismiss anything that doesn't fit his SDA agenda and already has dismissed this verse in pertaining to the issue but I don't remember the exact reason he used.

Oh was it? My bad then. I only read like half of the thread because it is quite long. I must have skimmed over his post.
 
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