WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[rockytopva]

Brother it is JESUS that says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. God's 4th Commandment in the NEW COVENANT is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's WORD also says if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

I believe God's people are in every Church. These are those who are living up to all the truth in God's WORD that God has revealed to them. In times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth and grow through as we CONTINUE in his WORD *JOHN 8:31. Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30. If we reject God's WORD then we are no longer BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God because we are still in our sins. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's people are in every Church. God's is calling all his people where ever they may be to COME OUT of following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God to worship GOD in SPIRIT and in truth. *JOHN 4:23-24

In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

Where is the scriptures that say GOD's 4th commandment has been abolshed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

...Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. - 1 Corinthians 8:1

The Pharisees and Lawyers of Christ’s time had it all figured out... With no charity. If you are going to take me in a conference type environment and proceed to tell me how wrong every one else is, except for this movement, that figured everything out 150 years ago, I simply will avoid such an environment.

 

[DamianWarS]

I guess brother all your able to do is post pretty pictures because you have no scripture to answer the OP have you.

again, I can't put scripture for something I don't agree with and that is absent in scripture. the law is not abolished and the Sabbath is not replaced with Sunday. No one is actually saying this. But you are grossly mispresenting what you think the other side thinks and asserts and in doing so make a straw man argument to prop up your own. remove the straw man and I will be happy to comment on it. To start the law wasn't abolished it was fulfilled, and Sunday worship is not a command it is a value. read those words, look them up if you have to and compare them with your own. your words create a straw man argument because no one is actually saying these things. I can't post scripture for a pretend argument, change your words to properly reflect the issue and I will be happy to discuss it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

because it's a fake argument. there is no scripture for the 4th commandments being abolished and replaced with Sunday and there is also no person that thinks those things.

How is it a fake argument? It is JESUS not me brother that says that if we KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. You are correct in saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as well as any other scriptures that address any of the questions in the OP here. Does that not worry you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." (context Colossians 2)...

"Shadow of things to come", (Colossians 2:17) (Law Covenant) OT, OC... Not the actual or Spirit of it or them, but the only the shadow of those things that would come, or the Spirit of it/them that would come and make the letter of the law obsolete, and no longer needed or necessary...

God Bless!

Hello Neogaia777,

COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 does not say God's 4th commandment has been abolished at all. This has already addressed earlier in this thread. COLOSSIANS 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 which are fulfilled in Christ as shown in God's WORD in previous posts in 1; 2; 3 and 4 linked. Please feel free to respond to the linked posts (1-4) and all the scriptures in them if you disagree?

Your mixing up God's SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which God's WORD says in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 8:1-4.

If we have no law then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and no need of a Saviour. If we have no Saviour we are lost because we still in your sins and the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of Gods dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Now did you have any scriptures to show that God's 4th Commandment has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Indeed

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The facts are available and I am not going to rehash them. No context was "left out".

Not sure what your talking about here? What you posted earlier as shown in the previous post to you only supported what I said to you in the first post.

Did you want to answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If God's 4th Commandment is once of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is if broken, does this not concern you?

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings (vain contentions over and about) the law; for they are unprofitable (and very vain) and useless."

God Bless!

Indeed we are not having arguments about the Mosaic ceremonial laws in geneologies. We are talking about Gods ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS and how SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOME *MATTHEW 7:16-23.

Did you wish you answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I can't get scripture for something that doesn't exist. It says nowhere that "God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED", in fact, quite the contrary but no one was asserting this anyways so what's your point?

This is ths point. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

...Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. - 1 Corinthians 8:1

The Pharisees and Lawyers of Christ’s time had it all figured out... With no charity. If you are going to take me in a conference type environment and proceed to tell me how wrong every one else is, except for this movement, that figured everything out 150 years ago, I simply will avoid such an environment.

If you see your brother drunk and falling asleep on a railway track and the train is coming in 5 mins are you loving your brother by waking him up or letting him sleep? If God saw this and you did not wake your sleepy brother would God hold you accountable?

Did you wish to answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

again, I can't put scripture for something I don't agree with and that is absent in scripture. the law is not abolished and the Sabbath is not replaced with Sunday. No one is actually saying this. But you are grossly mispresenting what you think the other side thinks and asserts and in doing so make a straw man argument to prop up your own. remove the straw man and I will be happy to comment on it. To start the law wasn't abolished it was fulfilled, and Sunday worship is not a command it is a value. read those words, look them up if you have to and compare them with your own. your words create a straw man argument because no one is actually saying these things. I can't post scripture for a pretend argument, change your words to properly reflect the issue and I will be happy to discuss it.

As posted earlier there is no strawman argument. It is JESUS not me brother that says that if we KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. You are correct in saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as well as any other scriptures that address any of the questions in the OP here. Does that not worry you?

 

[Neogaia777]

@LoveGodsWord,

Whether it was abolished or not, scripture clearly says we are clearly not to judging one another in it or them, cause that's where the "vanity" and evil and wrong of it comes in ...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

@LoveGodsWord,

Whether it was abolished or not, scripture clearly says we are clearly not to judging one another in it or them, cause that's where the "vanity" and evil and wrong of it comes in ...

God Bless!

Hello brother,

If someone is not keeping the sabbath how can someone judge you in it? As shown in earlier scriptures in relation to COLOSSIANS 2 it is not even discussing God's 10 Commandments but the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT of which the ceremonial sabbaths connected to FEASTS day that could fall on any day of the week were a part of.

Did you wish you answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If you cannot does this not worry you?

God bless

 

[Neogaia777]

Hello brother,

If someone is not keeping the sabbath how can someone judge you in it? As shown in earlier scriptures in relation to COLOSSIANS 2 it is not even discussing God's 10 Commandments but the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT of which the ceremonial sabbaths connected to FEASTS day that could fall on any day of the week were a part of.

Did you wish you answer any of the questions in the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If you cannot does this not worry you?

God bless

Your ignoring the clear meaning of it and twisting it (as usual), it means not to judge one another on as to when they choose to celebrate or observe holidays or holy days or worship or religious observances or whatever, one day (or thing), over another, ect...

Don't try and twist that out of it K...?

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your ignoring the clear meaning of it and twisting it (as usual), it means not to judge one another on as to when they choose to celebrate or observe holidays or holy days or worship or religious observances or whatever, one day (or thing), over another, ect...

Don't try and twist that out of it K...?

God Bless!

Really? What is it you believe I am twisting? Maybe you can prove your claims with God's WORD. If you cannot why make claims that are not true brother? Do you have any scripture to share?

 

[Neogaia777]

Really? What is it you believe I am twisting? Maybe you can prove your claims. If you cannot what make claims that are not true brother?

I did just say it you know, but that's not the one or only time either, and at least one of us knows that, (and is wondering when the other one is going to get it or catch on)...

Anyway, Figures that you'd want to focus on that, or that part of what I said though...

God Bless!

 

[DamianWarS]

How is it a fake argument? It is JESUS not me brother that says that if we KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. You are correct in saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as well as any other scriptures that address any of the questions in the OP here. Does that not worry you?

it's a fake argument because no one is actually claiming "God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday" where do you get this from? Your demand scripture well I'm going to ask you to show some support of who is actually saying this? It's like saying "Where in the bible does it say the temple was replaced with the church building?" Well, it doesn't say that in the bible, nor is anyone claiming this but that doesn't make meeting a church building wrong nor does it make the temple model something that it still active. The argument is basically a comparison to something that doesn't actually exist. This is why it's a straw man.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did just say it you know, but that's not the one or only time either, and at least one of us knows that...

Figures that you'd want to focus on that, or that part of what I said though...

God Bless!

Not sure what your talking about now to be honest brother. Did you wish to eleborate or do you have any scripture to share?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

it's a fake argument because no one is actually claiming "God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday" where do you get this from? Your demand scripture well I'm going to ask you to show some support of who is actually saying this? It's like saying "Where in the bible does it say the temple was replaced with the church building?" Well, it doesn't say that in the bible, nor is anyone claiming this but that doesn't make meeting a church building wrong nor does it make the temple model something that it still active. The argument is basically a comparison to something that doesn't actually exist. This is why it's a straw man.

Thanks for your thoughts brother Damian, however as shown in the post you are quoting from it is not a fake argument at all. It is JESUS not me brother that says that if we KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. You are correct in saying that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as well as any other scriptures that address any of the questions in the OP here. Does that not worry you?

 

[DamianWarS]

This is ths point. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

Well, I can't support your straw man so what is your point again? No one claims the 4th command is abolished, no one claims there is a commandment to worship on Sunday, and there is no scripture to support this. To demand to find scripture to support this false argument that then is used to justify your own position is a straw man. It doesn't actually prove anything, just that you don't want to properly address the subject for some reason.

 

[Neogaia777]

Not sure what your talking about now to be honest brother.

Your loss,

God Bless!