We don't know that to be so. It does answer my question to you, however.
God the Father was seen by certain people in OT times, as scripture teaches, but that was merely the form that the Father assumed for the purpose.
It's fair that we disagree, but I have to say that I have never encountered anyone previously who contended that Jesus had a certain celestial kind of body, not just spirit, in heaven that he swapped for a body like ours while he was on Earth. Maybe the entailed wisdom of Christians through the centuries should be give some weight in this matter.Sorry. I disagree with you. Jesus said scriptures testified of "Jesus". He even said Abraham saw "Jesus".
Sorry. I disagree with you. Jesus said scriptures testified of "Jesus". He even said Abraham saw "Jesus".
No, it says he saw his day and "his day" could have been his birth or perhaps a vision of the future of the cross or the second coming. What it doesn't say is Jesus appeared to Abraham in Gen 18.
It was not the Father that men had seen in the O.T.
St Justin Martyr said:Therefore, neither Abraham, nor Isaac, nor Jacob, nor any man saw the Father and ineffable Lord of absolutely all things and of Christ himself, but [saw] only him who, according to his [the Father's] will, is both God, his Son, and Angel, from the fact that he ministers to his purpose. Whom he also has willed to be born through the Virgin, and who once became fire for that conversation with Moses in the bush (Dial.127.4).
God begat before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational Power [proceeding] from himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord, and Word; and on another occasion he calls himself Captain, when he appears in human form to Joshua son of Nave (Dial.61.1).
Martin Luther said:“Thus it follows powerfully and irrefutably that the God who led the people of Israel out of Egypt and through the Red Sea, who guided them in the wilderness through the pillars of cloud and fire, who nourished them with heavenly bread, and who performed all the miracles Moses describes in his book, who also brought them into the land of Canaan and then gave them kings and priests and everything, is therefore God and none other than Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the Virgin Mary, whom we call Christ our God and Lord.... And, again, it is he who gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai, saying, "I am the Lord your God who led you out of Egypt; you shall have no other gods." Yes, Jesus of Nazareth, who died for us on the cross, is the God who says in the First Commandment, "I, the Lord, am your God."
Yes it was the Father.
But there is also no scripture clearly saying that it is the Son instead. The fact is that we do not know for sure, but because the main references are from the OT which concerned a people who had yet to be aware of the Trinitarian nature of God...Then we agree to disagree seeing how you have no scripture citing to that as truth.
But there is also no scripture clearly saying that it is the Son instead. The fact is that we do not know for sure, but because the main references are from the OT which concerned a people who had yet to be aware of the Trinitarian nature of God...
Since Jesus said that no man has seen God the Father at any time...