Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[Biblewriter]

I presume the underlined is something you take literally.

Deuteronomy 5:3 (NKJV)
3 The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Taking this literally was made with only those who were alive on that day; but what about Exodus 31:16 (NKJV)
16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

Deuteronomy 5:14 (NKJV)
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

So the gentile within the gate has to keep the Sabbath also. And add Abraham's covenant, the gentile also needs to be circumcised.

<<Hebrews 7:12 (NKJV)
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. >>

Once again taking literature illiterately fails. Also I believe the writer of Hebrews is in error. I have never noticed this before but the reason Hebrews gives for changing the Law is that Jesus was a Jew and Jews under Moses were not priests; so because Jesus was a Jew the Law need to be changed to allow a Jew to be a priest (Hew 7:14). As well as being a Jew I expect Jesus was a descendant of all the tribes; Mary's father or uncle was a priest.

With out the Law unchanged, Jesus would have no credentials, the office and duties of High Priest would be undefined; it is true that the administration of the Law is different but that does not require a change in Law.

Anyone who claims that any portion of the Bible "is in error" has totally disqualified himself from consideration as a commentator on scriptural subjects.

 

[sparow]

Anyone who claims that any portion of the Bible "is in error" has totally disqualified himself from consideration as a commentator on scriptural subjects.

I am disappointed that you didn't addressed the issue of why the change in the Law was required in order to authenticate Christ and what those implied changes were.

Nowhere has God said, that which is written with ink on paper is infallible, in fact He has said the opposite:


Jeremiah 8:7-8 (NKJV)
7 "Even the stork in the heavens Knows her appointed times; And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow Observe the time of their coming. But My people do not know the judgment of the LORD.
8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.


Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Of course the scripture can be fiddled with and what better place for Satan to begin His deception.

The KJV is translated from the Masoretic text which came into existence in the 700s around the same era that the Papacy as we know it came into existence (590 AD), and Mohamad (570-632AD). The Masoretic text is different from the previous texts in that vowels are added; a prior knowledge of the meaning of scripture is required in order to add vowels; vowels could change the variation of meaning in uncountable ways; I have no idea who produced the Masoretic text.

Yet in the midst of all this God is setting up His kingdom. He is calling and choosing people.

The scriptures are food or fertilizer, we eat and grow either into harvestable fruit or weeds.

 

[BABerean2]

I am disappointed that you didn't addressed the issue of why the change in the Law was required in order to authenticate Christ and what those implied changes were.

Nowhere has God said, that which is written with ink on paper is infallible, in fact He has said the opposite:


Jeremiah 8:7-8 (NKJV)
7 "Even the stork in the heavens Knows her appointed times; And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow Observe the time of their coming. But My people do not know the judgment of the LORD.
8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.


Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Of course the scripture can be fiddled with and what better place for Satan to begin His deception.

The KJV is translated from the Masoretic text which came into existence in the 700s around the same era that the Papacy as we know it came into existence (590 AD), and Mohamad (570-632AD). The Masoretic text is different from the previous texts in that vowels are added; a prior knowledge of the meaning of scripture is required in order to add vowels; vowels could change the variation of meaning in uncountable ways; I have no idea who produced the Masoretic text.

Yet in the midst of all this God is setting up His kingdom. He is calling and choosing people.

The scriptures are food or fertilizer, we eat and grow either into harvestable fruit or weeds.

Is the New Covenant the same as the Sinai Covenant in the passage below?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Do you deny there are two different sets of commandments in the verse above?

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[iamlamad]

Anyone who claims that any portion of the Bible "is in error" has totally disqualified himself from consideration as a commentator on scriptural subjects.

This is really not true. There ARE portions of the bible that is "error." Consider the many chapters of Job that are the three friends of Job - answering him. Later on in the book, God tells Job that all they said was ERROR, and Job must sacrifice for their error.

In other words, we don't get truth from several chapters in Job. Oh, I am sure it was written down correctly, the problem is, their opinions were WRONG! I guess the doctrine we should get from those chapters are that we cannot trust even our best friends when our salvation is at stake.

 

[Calminian]

Your theory demands a gap of indeterminate length, currently more than 1900 years and counting, with no historically verifiable events.

Boy, can't help but to think of Peter's words when I hear things like this.

2Pet. 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

 

[Biblewriter]

This is really not true. There ARE portions of the bible that is "error." Consider the many chapters of Job that are the three friends of Job - answering him. Later on in the book, God tells Job that all they said was ERROR, and Job must sacrifice for their error.

In other words, we don't get truth from several chapters in Job. Oh, I am sure it was written down correctly, the problem is, their opinions were WRONG! I guess the doctrine we should get from those chapters are that we cannot trust even our best friends when our salvation is at stake.

Your answer is in error. It is indeed correct that the Bible repeats statements that are erroneous. But it accurately tells what was said, and then points out that it was not correct.

 

[jgr]

Boy, can't help but to think of Peter's words when I hear things like this.

2Pet. 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

2 Peter 1
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

 

[Calminian]

2 Peter 1
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2Pet. 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is the New Covenant the same as the Sinai Covenant in the passage below?

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Revelation is also all Covenantle.
What do you and/or others think of that Mountain burning in Revelation 8:8?

What mountain could Jesus be referring to in Matt 21:21?

Faith, Mountain, and Sea Matt 21:21/Mark 11:3

Matthew 21:21
Yet Jesus answering said to them, "amen I am saying to ye, if ever ye may be having Faith, and no ye may be doubting<1252>, not only the of the fig-tree<4808> ye shall be doing,
but even-ever to this Mountain ye may saying, 'Be being lifted up! and be being cast! into the Sea', it shall be becoming"; [Revelation 8:8]

Hebrew 12:18
For ye came not near to the Mountain touched and scorched with fire, and to blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 and a sound of a trumpet, and a Voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a Word might not be added to them,
22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers, [Deuteronomy 4:11/Revelation 8:8]

OC Mt Sinai:

Revelation 8:8
And the second messenger did sound, and as it were a great Mountain with fire burning was cast into the Sea, and the third of the sea became blood,

NC Mt Zion

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and behold, a[fn] Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand,
having[fn] His Father's name written on their foreheads.



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[jgr]

---Staff Edit---

The choice:

1. The Word of God
2. The speculations of man.

Easy decision.

 

[Calminian]

The choice:

1. The Word of God
2. The speculations of man.

Easy decision.

So you're condemning what you just did in this post? Is this post above just a speculation of man?

Quoting out of context bits and pieces of scripture is not beneficial to anyone. It's just someone with access to verses that knowns how to cut and past. It's actually mishandling the Word of God.

We need to reason from Scripture, with the wisdom we get from Scripture.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The choice:

1. The Word of God
2. The speculations of man.
Easy decision.

Scripture cuts to the heart...........My bro R.D. defines choice #2.....

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[iamlamad]

Your answer is in error. It is indeed correct that the Bible repeats statements that are erroneous. But it accurately tells what was said, and then points out that it was not correct.

You don't read so well. This is exactly what I wrote - just different words.

 

[Erik Nelson]

https://weekly.israelbiblecenter.com/hanukkah-abomination-desolation/

 

[Erik Nelson]

What does the text below say about the Sinai Covenant?
Does Paul compare the Sinai Covenant to slavery?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
(Is the author referring to Mount Sinai in the verse above?)
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Is the author contrasting the Sinai Covenant to the New Covenant in the passage above?

Some of us have not let go of the bondwoman, at this point in time.
You cannot fully embrace the New Covenant, until you let go of the old.


The New Covenant: Bob George

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yes, but Galatians was written to non Jewish Gentile Christians. And while Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians. The passage you cite. Only emphasizes that the new covenant. Is even more significant than the old. But it doesn't explicitly say to cast out the old.

It is well known that Jewish Christians. In Jerusalem. Following after Saint James. Kept the law. And we're Torah observant. Jewish Christians. Jewish Christians. Have a slightly different set of rules.

 

[BABerean2]

yes, but Galatians was written to non Jewish Gentile Christians. And while Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians. The passage you cite. Only emphasizes that the new covenant. Is even more significant than the old. But it doesn't explicitly say to cast out the old.

It is well known that Jewish Christians. In Jerusalem. Following after Saint James. Kept the law. And we're Torah observant. Jewish Christians. Jewish Christians. Have a slightly different set of rules.

Erik,

You cannot fully let the New Covenant live, until you let the Old Covenant die.

All attempts to divide the Body into Jewish believers and Gentile believers is the same mistake that Peter made, when Paul had to correct him, as detailed in the Book of Galatians.

No Jewish Christians ever kept the law.
It is something only Christ could do.

Any unbiased reader of Galatians 4:24-31 would have to conclude that Paul compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the "bondwoman", who is a symbol of the Sinai Covenant in the passage.

We are under a better covenant, made on better promises. Hebrews 8:6-13

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[Biblewriter]

You don't read so well. This is exactly what I wrote - just different words.

Except, of course, you said that it was error to say that there are no errors in the Bible. I pointed out that the Bible exposes the errors uttrered by evil mistaken persons, but makes no errors in exposing them, which is not what you said.

 

[iamlamad]

Except, of course, you said that it was error to say that there are no errors in the Bible. I pointed out that the Bible exposes the errors uttrered by evil mistaken persons, but makes no errors in exposing them, which is not what you said.

I said there ARE errors, but also said they were written down correctly - meaning God made no errors in writing them down.
The errors, as you said, were uttered by mistaken people. But the errors are written in the bible. That was my point. However, they were identified as errors so any reader would know.

How strange: I have heard preachers preach from these chapters as if they were truth!

Now, if you still wish to disagree:

Are there words written in the book of Job that were spoken by Job's three friends that were wrong when they were spoken?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So far, the yeas are slightly ahead of the nays.............

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"
Edit

1. No
   19 vote(s) 46.3%
2. Yes
   21 vote(s) 51.2%
3. *
   I don't know
   1 vote(s) 2.4%
4. Other
   0 vote(s) 0.0%

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[Christian Gedge]

Take heart Littlelamb: If this was twenty years ago the yeas would have been miles ahead of the nays!