Canadian SC: Christian law school can't forbid students from gay sex

[ThatRobGuy]

How about media platform?

You'll have to give a little more detail as to what you're referring to?

When you say "media platform" you mean radio/TV/movies? If so, those are 100% optional and nobody is being forced to consume any of those media platforms if they don't want to.

Stopping someone else from doing what they want to do (when they're not harming anyone) is force.

Not allowing people to dictate the actions of others based on "I don't like that, so I don't want them doing it because I don't want to see it" isn't force...it's preventing them from using force on others.

 

[Hieronymus]

You'll have to give a little more detail as to what you're referring to?

Really??
Haven't you looked?
How can this escape one?
They even have people promoting these things in schools.
Lobby groups, everything.

When you say "media platform" you mean radio/TV/movies?

Of course, that's the media.
You can add the internet to it too.

If so, those are 100% optional and nobody is being forced to consume any of those media platforms if they don't want to.

Yes, very realistic...

 

[Hieronymus]

Hello?

 

[Sparagmos]

Really??
Haven't you looked?
How can this escape one?
They even have people promoting these things in schools.
Lobby groups, everything.Of course, that's the media.
You can add the internet to it too.Yes, very realistic...

Promoting equality of treatment. Not trying to force straight people to have gay sex.

 

[Hieronymus]

Promoting equality of treatment.

No, promoting for agreement and to embrace it.
Exploiting an often assumed victim status.
Meanwhile pushing enmity towards people with traditional views.
They go around schools looking for depressed children and suggest it could be gender related, and push these poor kids towards a sex change (which will leave them depressed anyway, if not suicidal or otherwise with regrets).

It's brainwashing.

 

[Sparagmos]

No, promoting for agreement and to embrace it.
Exploiting an often assumed victim status.
Meanwhile pushing enmity towards people with traditional views.
They go around schools looking for depressed children and suggest it could be gender related, and push these poor kids towards a sex change (which will leave them depressed anyway, if not suicidal or otherwise with regrets).

It's brainwashing.

WHO goes around to schools looking for depressed children and pushes kids towards a sex change? And who is paying for these sex changes?

 

[andy b]

With reports like this the second coming of Christ must be iminent there's not much more people can do

 

[Hieronymus]

WHO goes around to schools looking for depressed children and pushes kids towards a sex change?

So called mental health workers.
It happens.
They may have gotten my niece into it too...
She's super insecure and (or because of) autism.
I haven't had any recent updates on her situation though, but she has assumed a boy's name now...
Poor kid..

And who is paying for these sex changes?

I don't know that.

 

[Hieronymus]

With reports like this the second coming of Christ must be iminent there's not much more people can do

Well, many people are starting to wake up now.
It's not really noticeable on CF though...

 

[Sparagmos]

So called mental health workers.
It happens.
They may have gotten my niece into it too...
She's super insecure and (or because of) autism.
I haven't had any recent updates on her situation though, but she has assumed a boy's name now...
Poor kid..
I don't know that.

Where? Which mental health workers? Please cite a source. I am very involved with the LGBT community and live in one of the most trans- friendly cities in the country, and no one here is going into schools and trying to convince kids to get sex changes or pushing kids to reconsider their gender. I know some of the most radical queer people in this country and they are not doing or promoting those things. And please answer who is paying for these sex change operations?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't think it was about enforcing it.

A rule that no one intends to enforce isn't a rule worth considering.

 

[andy b]

Well, many people are starting to wake up now.
It's not really noticeable on CF though...

Hahaha I really have to watch what I say on CF there good people but constrained by mainstream rules

 

[Hieronymus]

Where? Which mental health workers? Please cite a source. I am very involved with the LGBT community and live in one of the most trans- friendly cities in the country, and no one here is going into schools and trying to convince kids to get sex changes or pushing kids to reconsider their gender. I know some of the most radical queer people in this country and they are not doing or promoting those things. And please answer who is paying for these sex change operations?

I have no source to site.
These things have been reported by news outlets.
I didn't take notes.

 

[Sparagmos]

I have no source to site.
These things have been reported by news outlets.
I didn't take notes.

You’re full of it. What you describe isn’t happening.

 

[comana]

You’re full of it. What you describe isn’t happening.

Never underestimate the power of the nefarious “They”

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

You know, the school could teach and promote its idea of Christian standards without also acting as religious police. Churches don’t generally expel congregation if they do not follow a morality code. The congregation is not required to sign a pledge to attend the church. I went to Christian high school and college and signed such pledges. About 85% of the students violated the code. It was useless.

You are right that a church doesn't do this, generally (though I hear some do).

But a private school is permitted to have its own rules. You don't have to follow them, but if you voluntarily apply, you are accepting the terms.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I attended a conservative Christian college many years ago with the same types of morality code. “Snitches” were exactly how the rules were enforced. The rules didn’t change anyone’s behavior, they just extended the adolescence of the students. If an adult needs the threat of punishment to keep them from having premarital sex or smoking a cigarette, they aren’t learning self control or making a real commitment to a “moral” life.

You are correct that morality has to be internal, not just external performance. God has a bit to say about that in His Word.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Let's break this down in simple steps
--- Therefore God sends them a strong delusion
--- so that they may believe what is false
--- in order that all may be condemned

This indicates that God and Satan seem to be in collusion "in order that all may be condemned". It may be that this is a translation problem but as it stands it is impossible to read it any other way.

You can't just cherry pick like that. The verse- that you ignored - before explains it. These people - whomever they are - have already chosen.

"The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess 2:9-12

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Nobody's trying to change its teachings. Just its discriminatory practices.

Its teachings are - were - biblically accurate. You should not be able to demand a Christian school subvert Christian teaching on marriage. That's wrong. This is protected under our Constitution - so far.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I think people seem to have a hard time understanding what "force" actually means with regards to various lifestyles.

Example:
School telling students they're forbidden from engaging in consensual activities with their own bodies (not harming anyone else or violating their rights) is an example of forcing convictions on someone else.

Wanting to be able to do what makes you happy provided that you don't violate anyone's rights, and vehemently rejecting the notion of other people telling you that you're not allowed because "I don't like to see that" isn't force, that's fighting for the right to own one's self.

No, no....Schools stating that this is their standard, and DO NOT APPLY if you are not willing to uphold it, is far different than telling students they are forbidden from engaging in anti-biblical activities in a Christian school.

Do whatever you want, but don't try to force a contrary standard when you have agreed to uphold a standard.