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I wrote this on an atheist forum, but I thought I would share it here as well:
Despite many arguments, I have for God's existence, I do believe Atheism is a rational stance to take.
I will justify why.
Hiddenness
For one the argument from hiddenness - is an argument that God takes seriously or should, to the extent that most Theists believe that for most of history of humans, God has presented miracles that are manifest and prove him and sent Messenger clarify the proofs of God and the accounting, and other things, in a clear manner.
Now today - for some reason - there is no miracles in the open, and if there is a guide to provide such miracles, he is not in the open. Why - this has happened for such a long period as of now to when miracles were presented on a regular basis has a rational explanation.
However, to know the wisdom of the hiding of God's signs, and display of proof, is anything but easy. It has a lot of factors to consider, each which have to be proven in themselves. In this sense, the appearance and manifestation of the clear miracles, on a public scale and global scale "the disbelievers say why not a sign/proof be brought down, say the hidden/hiding is for God, so wait, we too are those who wait".
In fact, it said no one would have faith in the hidden leadership and proof of God - the Mahdi - during his absence from public, save a few people who God has really tried their faith and tried them with faith.
Sure these people can witness physical and spiritual miracles on a regular basis to increase their certainty and faith yet the miracles are not in public.
Public miracles according to Abrahamic faiths - were a norm in the past. Any of course, even there is a perfectly rational reason to why there is a delay and a long delay now, it appears as if believers are making excuses.
What further complicates this is that believers themselves don't reflect over this and think this is a non-issue. It's a huge issue that Prophethood has ended. There must be a wisdom to Prophethood ending if it has, and there must be an overall plan in stop Prophets that justify in the first place. The same is true of live miracles for a long period of time.
Rational proofs for God are not as helpful without miracles.
Rational proofs help the philosopher type people who can grasp things very well. This is a minority of humans, who can be for example, convinced by platonic arguments that God exists and not only that, come to the realization of Angels, etc.
Very few humans can look at the color red for example, and know it has come down from a higher level of red in the spiritual realm, and that too from a higher realm, and so on and so forth, till reaching back to God the perfect origin of all things and what gives everything it's creation.
Abstract proofs are convincing for people who can grasp things. The thing with miracles, after witnessing them, it's suppose to scare people [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]less at least to listen and consider these abstract proofs.
And because the real live miracles are proofs in themselves, they become easy to grasp since they know the Prophet is true.
Hell awaits disbelievers/non-believers.
Wallah - despite physical miracles proving Mohammad right from the start, he provided insights and proofs to the truth gradually, and slowly. God through him would give a year sometimes just to a reflect over a Surah or a few Surahs that were very small and weren't even complete.
The believers who did believe did so because they would council one another with the council of God and his Messenger. But these reflections, they would never occurred were it not for the miracles.
Wallah - the physical miracles, ignited them to reflect and really consider it, while the disbelievers or non-believers, those would refused to believe, would say he is a sorcerer and not even give him a chance to speak and would oppress believers and torture them or even kill them if they found out they were believers.
When people became so stubborn and resolute on conjecture and would keep demanding more and more miracles, only did then God cease to give into their demands, but rather provide his miracles on his own terms, and this was because they showed no fear and the first to demand such miracles on their own terms rejected them all.
And so when you recite Quran if you do recite, you should know, that a lot of the reasoning was to show at least reflect and think, don't be so stubborn just to call him a sorcerer.
The disbelief and faith in this context, don't have the same meaning, when clear proofs are absent.
The affair of religion - was always revived through clear display of miracles for a reason.
Again, although I believe there is a rational reason to why God veiled humans from the leader now, and doesn't provide public miracles as of now, and for long time has not.
Faith and disbelief - is very hard. Everyone is doing their best, but the way Muslims Christians and Jews have presented religion and holy books, it's no wonder people don't want to reflect over them.
Atheists are right to conclude arguments are not enough.
Arguments are not enough for most people and should not be. Even Abraham, despite all the reasoning provided by God to him and which he provided to his people and taught, asked for further powers and miracles, so that he can have tranquility.
The arguments I provide at most can make faith look plausible. They are valid and sound, and each premise manifest, but they are not good enough if you are looking for that tranquil click.
For that, you have to turn to God and ask him to show you the Guide and the Guide if he does show you him, to show you miracles. Wallah, till then, all warnings are just subtle quiet sounding warnings, and it's only going to avail you if you whether you believe in God or not, recognize that if God exists, he can provide such miracles, and so realizing a prayer or two won't be harmful in that regard.
How often have I made prayers with little hope of them coming true, and God has brought them to truth. I remember when I thought I can never do university again due to my illness and now I'm almost done my computer science degree.
Wallah - I understand despair, I been through it, but just a little hope that God will show you himself and his Messenger be whoever God and the Messenger is, and do so through the Guide be it whoever it is, and miracles proving the guide whichever they are, this all I'm asking.
Whether I've experience such miracles or not, is not the subject, I'll be damned if I claim to have and damned if I claim I have not, so let's avoid this topic.
Atheist and arguments against God like argument from evil and variations of it.
The fallen world is such that it requires an explanation from God because anything other then the truth in this regard, and it won't be the proper explanation. Sure I made up hero creating theories while a Deist, but at the end, the only thing that can explain the state of the world is the truth and if God exists, he should provide that.
How religious people have presented this all as according to plan type world, is a major put off for a lot and for good reasons.
To act like this was meant to be, is a major put off. But at the same time, to act like it's just sheer chaos or how it is with no plan of God and no role of God in history and not knowing what the world was meant to be...
It's very difficult. And even knowing the explanation, it has so many factors, all which have to be proven.
The argument of evil yes is an argument from ignorance, but it being fallacy, it doesn't matter. If we live our lives listening to a bunch of Theists give the worse explanations of why the world is as is, and give the worst way to interpret God's book if there is a book from him, in the worst way, then yes, it will seem like there is no explanation.
At the same time to understand God's explanation, a book is not enough, you need proper way to interpret it. And to find the guides is no easy task to interpret the book properly.
This leaves Atheist in almost damned if you or damned if you don't stance. They see people going to religion only to become more foolish in what they think they know.
And this makes people who actually know what they are talking about on the same level and ground of ignorant Theists who don't.
The problem doesn't have an easy solution, and for a Theist to demand an Atheist agree with their explanation, when they have no proven every part of their explanation is hard.
Humans are right to demand proofs. This is one reason Quran was revealed over 23 years, and so people can ask questions, and the questions forbidden where only the ones that didn't actual seek knowledge, but were posed to increase in doubts, conjecture, and instead of seeking clarifications were seeking blindness by them.
An Atheist doesn't see God.
If people can see God directly and be in tune with the Guide/name of God of the time inwardly so easily, there would be no need of holy books MEssengers and miracles in the first place.
The fact is, the other witness, the misguiding companion is also a huge problem.
Now Atheists may in fact follow the light of God and of the Guide, more then Theists in general, because they don't look for guidance but within themselves.
But they don't like most Theists realize what the light is. They mix their identity and judging eyes, with themselves, the misguiding companion, and the guiding leader who is a witness from humans and the light of God and face of God and directs to God.
They aren't the only ones to be confused about who we are. And Theists are no more sincere in realizing this, because, theists in general want to follow clergy and stick to local leaders.
When God brings out this light witness and cosmic balance in a human form to the public eye, he does it with proofs including miracles. The message, and the whole PRophethood is almost all about seeing this truth.
Yet most people who these revelations been revealed to still don't see it, then what do you expect of Atheists to see it then?
They are understanding morality and holding to the light as hard as they can in their confusion and aren't able to distinguish it all and see it all, like most humans, like most Theists, like most Abrahamic faith Theists including Shiite Twelver Muslims who if anyone is without excuse, it's them who have the clarifications of this in Quran and hadiths, and have the proper interpretation.
This is no easy task, and wallah, it takes a hard battle.
Compassion is needed and not harsh judgment.
In all this, we can apply the judgment of Jesus to Jews who saw him walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, give vision to the blind, or we can realize, Wallah, they perhaps not doing their best, but they are trying.
They are trying Wallah to see the truth.
I know Khemical, Wallah, has been trying and my ego worshiping ways didn't help in that regard.
Wallah, I was thinking of leaving, but I can't, because I know Atheists are Wallah - trying to see the truth.
Wallah - why listen to a blabbering mad man like myself if people weren't seeking the truth. They even give me a chance. Wallah, because they are seeking the truth.
Let's be patient. Let's be kind to one another. Inshallah - no harsh judgments.
One factor to the wisdom of "hiding the sun"
Wallah, when clear proofs were present and miracles were displayed, the guides showing such miracles, were hated, their followers oppressed and killed, and all out attack occurred to hide the truth of their reality and station.
When God saw humans were being super envious in this regard and Iblis and his forces succeeded to causing hate to the truth, he out of his mercy put a veil on it, and hid the Guide of time from public.
And this has many wisdoms, but in summary, we have rest from the truth and it's clear display, thereby, and when we do, there is less harsh judgment from God and so it's a time of less harsh rules in place, less harsh acts from God to people, and a time of compassion and mercy where we subtly try our best to call to the truth if we know it, but not judge people for not accepting it.
This is not the only factor, but it's a factor among factors to consider.
Hopefully, this time, when miracles and day is clear, people accept it and have faith. And when some of the signs come back, people will have to accept the former miracles. Because non-stop moving goal post will result in Pharoah's followers phrase to Moses "we will not believe you no matter what signs you come with and will know you are a sorcerer".
In short, we live in a time of non-harsh judgment application and so let's be kind to each other and understand everyone is trying to work their confusion through.
Despite many arguments, I have for God's existence, I do believe Atheism is a rational stance to take.
I will justify why.
Hiddenness
For one the argument from hiddenness - is an argument that God takes seriously or should, to the extent that most Theists believe that for most of history of humans, God has presented miracles that are manifest and prove him and sent Messenger clarify the proofs of God and the accounting, and other things, in a clear manner.
Now today - for some reason - there is no miracles in the open, and if there is a guide to provide such miracles, he is not in the open. Why - this has happened for such a long period as of now to when miracles were presented on a regular basis has a rational explanation.
However, to know the wisdom of the hiding of God's signs, and display of proof, is anything but easy. It has a lot of factors to consider, each which have to be proven in themselves. In this sense, the appearance and manifestation of the clear miracles, on a public scale and global scale "the disbelievers say why not a sign/proof be brought down, say the hidden/hiding is for God, so wait, we too are those who wait".
In fact, it said no one would have faith in the hidden leadership and proof of God - the Mahdi - during his absence from public, save a few people who God has really tried their faith and tried them with faith.
Sure these people can witness physical and spiritual miracles on a regular basis to increase their certainty and faith yet the miracles are not in public.
Public miracles according to Abrahamic faiths - were a norm in the past. Any of course, even there is a perfectly rational reason to why there is a delay and a long delay now, it appears as if believers are making excuses.
What further complicates this is that believers themselves don't reflect over this and think this is a non-issue. It's a huge issue that Prophethood has ended. There must be a wisdom to Prophethood ending if it has, and there must be an overall plan in stop Prophets that justify in the first place. The same is true of live miracles for a long period of time.
Rational proofs for God are not as helpful without miracles.
Rational proofs help the philosopher type people who can grasp things very well. This is a minority of humans, who can be for example, convinced by platonic arguments that God exists and not only that, come to the realization of Angels, etc.
Very few humans can look at the color red for example, and know it has come down from a higher level of red in the spiritual realm, and that too from a higher realm, and so on and so forth, till reaching back to God the perfect origin of all things and what gives everything it's creation.
Abstract proofs are convincing for people who can grasp things. The thing with miracles, after witnessing them, it's suppose to scare people [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]less at least to listen and consider these abstract proofs.
And because the real live miracles are proofs in themselves, they become easy to grasp since they know the Prophet is true.
Hell awaits disbelievers/non-believers.
Wallah - despite physical miracles proving Mohammad right from the start, he provided insights and proofs to the truth gradually, and slowly. God through him would give a year sometimes just to a reflect over a Surah or a few Surahs that were very small and weren't even complete.
The believers who did believe did so because they would council one another with the council of God and his Messenger. But these reflections, they would never occurred were it not for the miracles.
Wallah - the physical miracles, ignited them to reflect and really consider it, while the disbelievers or non-believers, those would refused to believe, would say he is a sorcerer and not even give him a chance to speak and would oppress believers and torture them or even kill them if they found out they were believers.
When people became so stubborn and resolute on conjecture and would keep demanding more and more miracles, only did then God cease to give into their demands, but rather provide his miracles on his own terms, and this was because they showed no fear and the first to demand such miracles on their own terms rejected them all.
And so when you recite Quran if you do recite, you should know, that a lot of the reasoning was to show at least reflect and think, don't be so stubborn just to call him a sorcerer.
The disbelief and faith in this context, don't have the same meaning, when clear proofs are absent.
The affair of religion - was always revived through clear display of miracles for a reason.
Again, although I believe there is a rational reason to why God veiled humans from the leader now, and doesn't provide public miracles as of now, and for long time has not.
Faith and disbelief - is very hard. Everyone is doing their best, but the way Muslims Christians and Jews have presented religion and holy books, it's no wonder people don't want to reflect over them.
Atheists are right to conclude arguments are not enough.
Arguments are not enough for most people and should not be. Even Abraham, despite all the reasoning provided by God to him and which he provided to his people and taught, asked for further powers and miracles, so that he can have tranquility.
The arguments I provide at most can make faith look plausible. They are valid and sound, and each premise manifest, but they are not good enough if you are looking for that tranquil click.
For that, you have to turn to God and ask him to show you the Guide and the Guide if he does show you him, to show you miracles. Wallah, till then, all warnings are just subtle quiet sounding warnings, and it's only going to avail you if you whether you believe in God or not, recognize that if God exists, he can provide such miracles, and so realizing a prayer or two won't be harmful in that regard.
How often have I made prayers with little hope of them coming true, and God has brought them to truth. I remember when I thought I can never do university again due to my illness and now I'm almost done my computer science degree.
Wallah - I understand despair, I been through it, but just a little hope that God will show you himself and his Messenger be whoever God and the Messenger is, and do so through the Guide be it whoever it is, and miracles proving the guide whichever they are, this all I'm asking.
Whether I've experience such miracles or not, is not the subject, I'll be damned if I claim to have and damned if I claim I have not, so let's avoid this topic.
Atheist and arguments against God like argument from evil and variations of it.
The fallen world is such that it requires an explanation from God because anything other then the truth in this regard, and it won't be the proper explanation. Sure I made up hero creating theories while a Deist, but at the end, the only thing that can explain the state of the world is the truth and if God exists, he should provide that.
How religious people have presented this all as according to plan type world, is a major put off for a lot and for good reasons.
To act like this was meant to be, is a major put off. But at the same time, to act like it's just sheer chaos or how it is with no plan of God and no role of God in history and not knowing what the world was meant to be...
It's very difficult. And even knowing the explanation, it has so many factors, all which have to be proven.
The argument of evil yes is an argument from ignorance, but it being fallacy, it doesn't matter. If we live our lives listening to a bunch of Theists give the worse explanations of why the world is as is, and give the worst way to interpret God's book if there is a book from him, in the worst way, then yes, it will seem like there is no explanation.
At the same time to understand God's explanation, a book is not enough, you need proper way to interpret it. And to find the guides is no easy task to interpret the book properly.
This leaves Atheist in almost damned if you or damned if you don't stance. They see people going to religion only to become more foolish in what they think they know.
And this makes people who actually know what they are talking about on the same level and ground of ignorant Theists who don't.
The problem doesn't have an easy solution, and for a Theist to demand an Atheist agree with their explanation, when they have no proven every part of their explanation is hard.
Humans are right to demand proofs. This is one reason Quran was revealed over 23 years, and so people can ask questions, and the questions forbidden where only the ones that didn't actual seek knowledge, but were posed to increase in doubts, conjecture, and instead of seeking clarifications were seeking blindness by them.
An Atheist doesn't see God.
If people can see God directly and be in tune with the Guide/name of God of the time inwardly so easily, there would be no need of holy books MEssengers and miracles in the first place.
The fact is, the other witness, the misguiding companion is also a huge problem.
Now Atheists may in fact follow the light of God and of the Guide, more then Theists in general, because they don't look for guidance but within themselves.
But they don't like most Theists realize what the light is. They mix their identity and judging eyes, with themselves, the misguiding companion, and the guiding leader who is a witness from humans and the light of God and face of God and directs to God.
They aren't the only ones to be confused about who we are. And Theists are no more sincere in realizing this, because, theists in general want to follow clergy and stick to local leaders.
When God brings out this light witness and cosmic balance in a human form to the public eye, he does it with proofs including miracles. The message, and the whole PRophethood is almost all about seeing this truth.
Yet most people who these revelations been revealed to still don't see it, then what do you expect of Atheists to see it then?
They are understanding morality and holding to the light as hard as they can in their confusion and aren't able to distinguish it all and see it all, like most humans, like most Theists, like most Abrahamic faith Theists including Shiite Twelver Muslims who if anyone is without excuse, it's them who have the clarifications of this in Quran and hadiths, and have the proper interpretation.
This is no easy task, and wallah, it takes a hard battle.
Compassion is needed and not harsh judgment.
In all this, we can apply the judgment of Jesus to Jews who saw him walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, give vision to the blind, or we can realize, Wallah, they perhaps not doing their best, but they are trying.
They are trying Wallah to see the truth.
I know Khemical, Wallah, has been trying and my ego worshiping ways didn't help in that regard.
Wallah, I was thinking of leaving, but I can't, because I know Atheists are Wallah - trying to see the truth.
Wallah - why listen to a blabbering mad man like myself if people weren't seeking the truth. They even give me a chance. Wallah, because they are seeking the truth.
Let's be patient. Let's be kind to one another. Inshallah - no harsh judgments.
One factor to the wisdom of "hiding the sun"
Wallah, when clear proofs were present and miracles were displayed, the guides showing such miracles, were hated, their followers oppressed and killed, and all out attack occurred to hide the truth of their reality and station.
When God saw humans were being super envious in this regard and Iblis and his forces succeeded to causing hate to the truth, he out of his mercy put a veil on it, and hid the Guide of time from public.
And this has many wisdoms, but in summary, we have rest from the truth and it's clear display, thereby, and when we do, there is less harsh judgment from God and so it's a time of less harsh rules in place, less harsh acts from God to people, and a time of compassion and mercy where we subtly try our best to call to the truth if we know it, but not judge people for not accepting it.
This is not the only factor, but it's a factor among factors to consider.
Hopefully, this time, when miracles and day is clear, people accept it and have faith. And when some of the signs come back, people will have to accept the former miracles. Because non-stop moving goal post will result in Pharoah's followers phrase to Moses "we will not believe you no matter what signs you come with and will know you are a sorcerer".
In short, we live in a time of non-harsh judgment application and so let's be kind to each other and understand everyone is trying to work their confusion through.
