Christian Nudists

[Darkhorse]

For me, i don't want to sound 'dramatic' or anything, you are a bunch of pervs, the bible talks about discovering nakedness on some of your relatives.
Maybe your 'body of death' that Paul talks about is manifesting some quirks here.

Perversion is the twisting of something natural and wholesome into something corrupt and unnatural.

Since everyone (including Jesus) was born nude, it is unquestionably our most natural, un-twisted state.

The fact that we have to "discover" our nakedness indicates that not being nude is actually the perverted state, brought about by sin.

Looking for "body of death", the closest I found was Romans 7:24, Romans 8:10 and Romans 8:13, along with 2 Corinthians 4:10, Ephesians 2:16 and Colossians 1:22.
Which of these (if any) were you referring to?

 

[NBB]

Perversion is the twisting of something natural and wholesome into something corrupt and unnatural.

Since everyone (including Jesus) was born nude, it is unquestionably our most natural, un-twisted state.

The fact that we have to "discover" our nakedness indicates that not being nude is actually the perverted state, brought about by sin.

Looking for "body of death", the closest I found was Romans 7:24, Romans 8:10 and Romans 8:13, along with 2 Corinthians 4:10, Ephesians 2:16 and Colossians 1:22.
Which of these (if any) were you referring to?

Romans 7:24.

Putting cloth on has nothing perverted on it. Taking your cloth off in front of some relatives... the bible talks about that.

When i was a little kid, my father was showering and he told me to shower with him, to not waste time, i didn't like seeing hes thing...

When i was a little kid too, i felt ashamed to get naked when a person that was not my family wanted me to clean me, and i told her i would not get naked...

My point is, is natural to feel shame when getting naked in front of people, adam and eve felt shame too.

By getting naked in front of other people you only are breaking barriers that are actually good.

 

[Darkhorse]

Romans 7:24.

Putting cloth on has nothing perverted on it. Taking your cloth off in front of some relatives... the bible talks about that.

When i was a little kid, my father was showering and he told me to shower with him, to not waste time, i didn't like seeing hes thing...

When i was a little kid too, i felt ashamed to get naked when a person that was not my family wanted me to clean me, and i told her i would not get naked...

My point is, is natural to feel shame when getting naked in front of people, adam and eve felt shame too.

By getting naked in front of other people you only are breaking barriers that are actually good.

Leviticus 18 of the King James Bible seems to discuss "taking clothes off in front of some relatives", but it's actually prohibitions against incest, not family nudity. The phrase "uncover the nakedness of" was a euphemism for "have sexual relations with", much as we say "sleep with" today. Later Bible translations (like the NIV) use the phrase "have sexual relations with" here.

I routinely saw both of my parents nude as long as they lived. It didn't harm me, and it didn't harm them; the important barriers (respect, etc.) were always in place. My children have grown up the same way.

You mention a non-family lady trying to wash your genitals when you were young. When I was 13, a nurse held my penis in one hand and shoved a catheter up it with the other hand (for a medical procedure). The same thing happened when I was 40 years old. Growing up without shame about my body has saved me a great deal of anxiety, especially concerning medical procedures.

God's declared His creation "very good". We suffer from shame because of sin, not because of nudity.

 

[NBB]

Leviticus 18 of the King James Bible seems to discuss "taking clothes off in front of some relatives", but it's actually prohibitions against incest, not family nudity. The phrase "uncover the nakedness of" was a euphemism for "have sexual relations with", much as we say "sleep with" today. Later Bible translations (like the NIV) use the phrase "have sexual relations with" here.

I routinely saw both of my parents nude as long as they lived. It didn't harm me, and it didn't harm them; the important barriers (respect, etc.) were always in place. My children have grown up the same way.

You mention a non-family lady trying to wash your genitals when you were young. When I was 13, a nurse held my penis in one hand and shoved a catheter up it with the other hand (for a medical procedure). The same thing happened when I was 40 years old. Growing up without shame about my body has saved me a great deal of anxiety, especially concerning medical procedures.

God's declared His creation "very good". We suffer from shame because of sin, not because of nudity.

Shame is normal and healthy in our state, you just don't want to be without feeling any shame doing things naked in front of people or sexual things. That is just not alright.
I don't mean that you would feel shame doing things with your wife for example, that is intimate and ok, but just exposing yourself to the public is another...

 

[comana]

Shame is normal and healthy in our state, you just don't want to be without feeling any shame doing things naked in front of people or sexual things. That is just not alright.
I don't mean that you would feel shame doing things with your wife for example, that is intimate and ok, but just exposing yourself to the public is another...

Nudists are not exposing themselves to the public though. I wouldn't call a nudist retreat a public place since I've only ever heard of them as private locations. My thoughts on the nudist outlook on nudity is that it very healthy and not shameful in a good way.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Nudists are not exposing themselves to the public though. I wouldn't call a nudist retreat a public place since I've only ever heard of them as private locations. My thoughts on the nudist outlook on nudity is that it very healthy and not shameful in a good way.

If it is more than just you, it is a public space. You shouldn't be inflicting your nudity on anyone else. My thoughts on the nudist outlook is that it is shameful and debauched.

 

[Darkhorse]

If it is more than just you, it is a public space. You shouldn't be inflicting your nudity on anyone else. My thoughts on the nudist outlook is that it is shameful and debauched.

"Inflicting"?

Everyone there is there because clothing is not required, and they wish to enjoy life without it for a while.

People who don't want to be nude, or don't want to see others nude, don't come.

 

[NBB]

"Inflicting"?

Everyone there is there because clothing is not required, and they wish to enjoy life without it for a while.

People who don't want to be nude, or don't want to see others nude, don't come.

I don't see a problem if you go with your wife to enjoy some time in nature but alone, not with other people. Why you need to show your and your wife and kids parts to the public, that seems degenerate, and by public i mean unknown people.

 

[ace of hearts]

If it is more than just you, it is a public space. You shouldn't be inflicting your nudity on anyone else. My thoughts on the nudist outlook is that it is shameful and debauched.

Private property is never a public space.

 

[comana]

If it is more than just you, it is a public space. You shouldn't be inflicting your nudity on anyone else. My thoughts on the nudist outlook is that it is shameful and debauched.

First I am not a nudist, but I fail to see the harm. How are they inflicting their nudity on anyone when they only live this way in their own home or at private locations where everyone willingly participates?

 

[Jon Osterman]

First I am not a nudist, but I fail to see the harm. How are they inflicting their nudity on anyone when they only live this way in their own home or at private locations where everyone willingly participates?

By that logic, there would be nothing wrong with them holding orgies either, as long as they are in private and everyone willingly participates.

 

[ace of hearts]

By that logic, there would be nothing wrong with them holding orgies either, as long as they are in private and everyone willingly participates.

Are you claiming we/they do? based on what?

 

[comana]

By that logic, there would be nothing wrong with them holding orgies either, as long as they are in private and everyone willingly participates.

As that is an entirely different subject to nudism, I will leave it alone as off topic in this thread. You are taking the leap from nudism to sex and as the nudist have made a point in this thread already, group nudism is not a sexual behavior. It is social and benign for those participating.

 

[Jon Osterman]

As that is an entirely different subject to nudism, I will leave it alone as off topic in this thread. You are taking the leap from nudism to sex and as the nudist have made a point in this thread already, group nudism is not a sexual behavior. It is social and benign for those participating.

No, I was pointing out that your logic is faulty. The requirement of being in a "private location where everyone willingly participates" is not sufficient to declare the behaviour as benign, wholesome, or morally acceptable.

 

[comana]

No, I was pointing out that your logic is faulty. The requirement of being in a "private location where everyone willingly participates" is not sufficient to declare the behaviour as benign, wholesome, or morally acceptable.

You first claim that they are 'inflicting' their nudity on the public. Now you want to label it wrong in a private location. Obviously nudist do not subscribe to your definition of morally acceptable, but that does not mean they are not living a moral life as nudists.

 

[Darkhorse]

I don't see a problem if you go with your wife to enjoy some time in nature but alone, not with other people. Why you need to show your and your wife and kids parts to the public, that seems degenerate, and by public i mean unknown people.

You are assuming that nudists assemble to "show their parts" to others. That isn't true.
For one thing, it would be very boring; people's parts really don't vary that much.

More importantly, nudists enjoy doing normal, everyday activities without clothes. Swimming, hiking, sunbathing, riding horses, darts, using a Wii machine or hot tub, and many other activities can be done alone. Other activities like tennis, volleyball, dancing, conversation, and others require more than one person, sometimes several. And all these activities are more fun with a group of good friends. Spouses are great, but...so are friends. And all friends start out as strangers...

The "degenerate" feeling comes from society's attitude that nudity is wrong.
However, this is a cultural assumption, which (unfortunately) carries more weight than Biblical rules - or the lack of them.

 

[Dave-W]

People who don't want to be nude, or don't want to see others nude, don't come

Reminds me of what my granddad used to say: “If they don’t like what they see, they don’t have to look.”

 

[tgg]

I am an inveterate nudist, and I see nothing wrong with being one as long as your heart is in the right place.

Darkhorse has answered a lot of the questions people both Christian and non-Christian alike have about nudity and naturism. The problem is that most Christian churches have followed the world's stance on nudity: that it is naughty, sexual, dirty, immoral, weird, and debauched.

Yes, there are some questionable people who get interested in nudism, but they are quickly weeded out by the venue operators and owners. I run the group Nudist Hall Of Shame on Facebook, in which we routinely report people on that site joining nudist groups for the wrong reasons.

 

[holo]

I'm just glad to hear there is such a thing as the nudist hall of shame, that made my day

But seriously, I love nudism though I'm not one myself. I think it's the ultimate rebellion against pointless (thou shalt not see people's bodies) and harmful (only six packs allowed) rules. It must be so liberating.

 

[dayhiker]

mostly now I just find now its very relaxing.
I went to a longest day partly this weekend, its clothing optional and most people didn't take their clothes off unless they went in the hot tub or pool. But I stayed nude much of the evening. Nice time socializing.