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This is just a convenient way for you to ignore my argument. It would be better if you’d explain why you think they are irrelevant. There’s no need to be rude.Thanks for adding to the discussion.
I did not say: "death is good".
Flattery will get you nowhere. All I am doing is voicing my opinion about things in a book that so often doesn't appear to mean what it actually says. You are the one who has told us in the past how well read you are regarding understanding and interpreting things biblical. Perhaps you would like to give me the benefit of your expertise and tell me why Lot was considered a righteous man. I hope you are not going to tell me that he was righteous, but it doesn't actually mean that he was righteous?
So let's place this position to the test below...
If you want to start an OP on of of these questions, I’ll answer. But I’m not going to try to answer 10 questions at once, especially since it’s not your OP.After reading about three of your responses, it has become quite clear....
It sure must be nice to be setting on the side of a position which is not falsifiable
As you seem keen upon bullet points, since you 'nailed' the answer for the OP, why not also take a crack at these - (in which I posted elsewhere a few months back)?
1) A Muslim, an orthodox Jew, and a Christian pray for their friend in the hospital to recover. The friend recovers. Who takes the credit, the Muslim, the Jew, the Christian, the hospital, or other? What truth assignment function or mechanism was used besides faith, if the answer given is partially or completely not hospital related?
2) Prayer seems to only have the ability to cure illnesses and diseases in which modern science or the bodies own natural defenses were always able to heal. Is this pure coincidence?
3) If god answers your prayer request, because your prayer changes god's mind, this means god chose to fulfill your non-divine request above and beyond his previous intended divine plan for your unwanted outcome; as he instead granted your request over his previous intention. Wouldn't god have already known you were going to request this specific prayer however? If so, then the prayer was still unnecessary as god would have already intended for your prayer to be answered. To assume otherwise would admit god did not know ahead of time; rendering him fallible and not being able to read the future. So either god did not know you were going to ask for your request, demonstrating he is not all knowing, or, he was already going to grant what you asked, rendering the prayer worthless. So which answer is it? Did he not know, or was the prayer meaningless?
4) If god only answers prayers that he knows you need, than what is the point of prayer? Prayer is then only demonstrated effective if it already agrees with god's predetermined plan for you.
5) Why does god never elect to grant the regrowth of an amputated limb? Regrowing limbs in prayer would change many people's perception to claimed answered prayer, including myself, to then believe in a human interacting god. Medical science has yet to have the ability to regrow limbs. If a limb grew back, this might demonstrate a direct result from prayer, and not science or any other natural process. If and when medical science ever has the ability to regrow limbs, is this when prayer will start to take some of the credit?
6) You are diagnoses with a curable disease. You are presented with only two options for treatment, but cannot choose both. These options are medical treatment, or prayer. Which one do you choose and why?
7) Does prayer before surgery ever change the outcome? If yes, how might one know?
8) Two patients are diagnosed with cancer and both receive treatment. The one that was prayed for dies, and the one who was not prayed for lives. What rationale is presented by the religious family, who's loved one died? I would assume that the patient whom died, was not prayed for to perish.
9) What is the purpose of praying before a prepared meal? One a side note, if someone chokes and dies during dinner, was this god's will?
10) In the old testament, individuals would pray for victory in war and claim god helped them win. If the opponent had also prayed to the same god, would the outcome have changed? Either way, doesn't this demonstrate clearly that god plays favorites? Is this objective?
I think it best if you just take any of my posts and respond to what I said. I suppose you can continue to claim victory without actually engaging in any argument, but I don’t know where that will get us.
It’s a straw man. I cannot reply because your statement is inaccurate.
There’s nothing about begging or groveling to somehow earn God’s favor in my theology.
