Why is evolution taught in our schools?

[Subduction Zone]

Where does morality and logic come from?

From man. They are human inventions that make living life better. But they also have roots in our evolutionary development.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I posted in another post, the design is so obvious they have to do everything they can to explain it away:

There is evidence of design everywhere. So much so that in order to escape the logical conclusion Dawkin's had to propose Aliens designed humans..... but of course the aliens were not designed..... sigh.....

"University of Chicago professor Jerry Coyne, in his book Why Evolution is True, wrote: “If anything is true about nature, it is that plants and animals seem intricately and almost perfectly designed for living their lives” (2009, p. 1, emp. added). He further stated, “Nature resembles a well-oiled machine, with every species an intricate cog or gear” (p. 1). On page three of the same book, he wrote: “The more one learns about plants and animals, the more one marvels at how well their designs fit their ways of life.” Atheist Michael Shermer, in his book Why Darwin Matters, stated: “The design inference comes naturally. The reason people think that a Designer created the world is because it looks designed” (2006, p. 65, ital. in orig.)."

“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1}

But don't believe your lying eyes people.... Instead believe the lies that the design you see is just an illusion.....

"The irony of the situation is that each of these writers contends that such design is a product of naturalistic, mindless factors. But their telling statements underscore the obvious conclusion. If an Intelligent Designer really did create the world, what would it look like? Answer: Exactly like the one we have!"

it would appear designed, exactly as it appears to be......

The Bible speaks of people who see evidence that God created but still reject the designer/creator: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. (Romans 1:20-22)

Michel Behe reminds us: “…it's important to keep in mind that it is the profound appearance of design in life that everyone is laboring to explain, not the appearance of natural selection or the appearance of self-organization.” {Design for Living By Michael J. Behe Published: February 7, 2005, New York Times Op Ed.}

So all you have as evidence for design is quotes of scientists explaining why it is not a design and a quote of a failed scientist. Not too impressive.

You can't even properly define design much less find it.

 

[Aman777]

Now you are making the error of reinterpreting the Bible in light of today's knowledge.

Amen, since God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis and I found it. In the last days God is pouring out His Spirit of Truth upon ALL flesh. Joe 2:28 and Act 2:17 Future scientific discoveries are coming soon so that NO person can deny them since they are coming by the discoveries of Science, just before Jesus returns. They confirm the scientific Truth of God hidden in Genesis.

Worse yet you are contradicting yourself by using evolution, which you deny to support your incorrect claim.

Descent with modification within kinds is what you refer to as evolution. Evolution is not a scientific fact but instead is a false assumption which is incomplete, untrue and soon to be disgraced.

You need to learn how to properly interpret the Bible. No cheating by looking ahead allowed.

Actually, the entire Bible is written in past tense. When we open it and read it in Heaven, we will truly appreciate, that Scriptural Fact. Since God sees the end from the beginning, He wrote our complete History before the first Day. Our God is an Awesome God, His name is Jesus.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So all you have as evidence for design is quotes of scientists explaining why it is not a design and a quote of a failed scientist. Not too impressive.

You can't even properly define design much less find it.

No, quotes of scientists that recognize design when they see it, then try everything they can to explain why it really isn't design they see, but just looks that way.

Don't believe your lying eyes people, instead believe the lies the design you see isn't actually design.....

Sure I can. Those scientists could find and define it too, they then just pretended what they just saw and defined was not really what they saw and defined.

You know, double-talk. The evolutionists best friend.....

 

[USincognito]

Agreed. They stand on and use biblical principals such as morality and logic but then deny it in the next breath.

I always find this apologetic humorous. It's almost as if the claimant thinks societies before the Bible didn't have logic, laws, ethics or standards of conduct.

I wonder how the civilizations of India, China and Greece, Rome, Carthage, Persia, Akkad, Sumer etc. etc. survived without "biblical principles such as morality and logic".

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I always find this apologetic humorous. It's almost as if the claimant thinks societies before the Bible didn't have logic, laws, ethics or standards of conduct.

I wonder how the civilizations of India, China and Greece, Rome, Carthage, Persia, Akkad, Sumer etc. etc. survived without "biblical principles such as morality and logic".

Since they all descended from Noah and his sons and wives, it was passed down by word of mouth.

 

[Ancient of Days]

I always find this apologetic humorous. It's almost as if the claimant thinks societies before the Bible didn't have logic, laws, ethics or standards of conduct.

I wonder how the civilizations of India, China and Greece, Rome, Carthage, Persia, Akkad, Sumer etc. etc. survived without "biblical principles such as morality and logic".

So why do all the atheists spend so much time trying to disprove what they firmly say "does not exist"? If God does not exist like you say you believe, then why would someone even spend one second of their life trying to convince themselves of something's non-existence? Where is the logic in that? By your own submission its illogical...

 

[46AND2]

So why do all the atheists spend so much time trying to disprove what they firmly say "does not exist"? If God does not exist like you say you believe, then why would someone even spend one second of their life trying to convince themselves of something's non-existence? Where is the logic in that? By your own submission its illogical...

I cant speak for others, but i don't try to disprove god. I discuss misrepresentations of science and philosophy.

 

[USincognito]

Prove its not a religion. Its illogical for you to expect anyone to believe you because "You said so."

As has been stated. Evolution is no more a "religion" than plate tectonics, dynamo theory, relativity or germ theory of disease. All of them are known and understood phenomena supported by large amounts of evidence. Calling evolution is "religion" is simply asinine.

There is plenty of evidence that has been presented in this forum and is available for anyone with an iota of curiosity. I made a thread last year where the first 10 posts or so are me posting various pieces of evidence for evolution.
The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

Tell me, does an atheist believe there is no God?

Off topic. The topic of this thread is evolution.

 

[Ancient of Days]

@46AND2 But then why the title of "Atheist"? By ones own representation of a claim to a particular group there seems to be a need for cohesion to their standard. By its definition of:

atheism (āˈthē-ĭzˌəm)
►

• Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
• 
  
• The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

 

[USincognito]

So why do all the atheists spend so much time trying to disprove what they firmly say "does not exist"?

I have no idea who you're talking about. It certainly isn't me because I spend zero time "trying to disprove" any religious claims and I sure as heck don't "firmly say does not exist". Would you like to actually have a discussion with me or would you rather stick with the straw atheist in your head?

If God does not exist like you say you believe, then why would someone even spend one second of their life trying to convince themselves of something's non-existence? Where is the logic in that? By your own submission its illogical...

What does any of this nonsense have to do with the fact that societies and civilizations long before encountering the Bible or the Bible even existing had and used logic, laws, ethics and standards of conduct that and thus the claim that those are based "biblical principles such as morality and logic" is false?

And what does any of this have to do with Why evolution is taught in our schools? The forum rules require that responses be on topic and atheists or atheism are not the topic of this thread.

 

[USincognito]

@46AND2 But then why the title of "Atheist"? By ones own representation of a claim to a particular group there seems to be a need for cohesion to their standard. By its definition of:

atheism (āˈthē-ĭzˌəm)
►

• Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
• 
  
• The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

This thread is about why evolution is taught in our schools. Why are you posting inaccurate dictionary definitions of atheism when that is not the topic of the thread?

 

[Ancient of Days]

"As has been stated. Evolution is no more a "religion" than plate tectonics, dynamo theory, relativity or germ theory of disease. All of them are known and understood phenomena supported by large amounts of evidence. Calling evolution is "religion" is simply asinine."

" Evolution is a religion. Yes, evolution is the faith of atheism because it replaces God with man. When you've conned yourself into believing that some kind of ancient slime morphed into progressively complex and directional life forms, you are in the realm of faith, not science."

"There is plenty of evidence that has been presented in this forum and is available for anyone with an iota of curiosity. I made a thread last year where the first 10 posts or so are me posting various pieces of evidence for evolution."

I have read all of your copy and pasted evidence long before you copy and pasted it.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Definition of ATHEISM

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is a religion.

Repeating a lie does not make it the truth. It has been explained to you. Evolution is no more "religion" than plate tectonics, dynamo theory, etc. I'd suggest you stop repeating this lie.

Yes, evolution is the faith of atheism because it replaces God with man.

Why do you keep screeching about atheists? There are millions of religious people, including Christians, who not only accept evolution but vigorously and vociferously defend it.
BioLogos
And how in the world does evolution - which Creationists are constantly screaming that evolution says humans or "just animals" - replace God with man? That makes zero sense.

When you've conned yourself into believing that some kind of ancient slime morphed into progressively complex and directional life forms, you are in the realm of faith, not science."

A straw man wrapped in vacuous rhetoric. I always see this sort of blovaition from Creationists by they never can back it up by actually falsifying or in many cases even addressing the evidence.

I have read all of your copy and pasted evidence long before you copy and pasted it.

Your vacuous rhetoric in lieu of presenting evidence says otherwise.

 

[46AND2]

@46AND2 But then why the title of "Atheist"? By ones own representation of a claim to a particular group there seems to be a need for cohesion to their standard. By its definition of:

atheism (āˈthē-ĭzˌəm)
►

• Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
• 
  
• The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

I'm guessing the definition in bullet point two, which you purposely omitted, is probably the definition i subscribe to.

I am both

agnostic (lack the KNOWLEDGE of the existence of god)

And atheistic (lack the BELIEF of the existence of god)

 

[DogmaHunter]

Correction: YOUR interpretation does not agree with Scripture. That's what I've been telling everyone for many years now. Your view is that of an ancient religious scholar who lived thousands of years before Science.



Of course not since they have been brainwashed to believe the satanic lie of the ToE since they began to be indoctrinated in the 1st Grade. Most of them have faith in the ToE because they have never questioned it. The satanic censors of the lie attack anyone who refuses to bow to their willing ignorance, and insist that anyone working in Science, must worship at the Altar of Evolution. Amen?

There we go again....
The "Biology is a satanic conspiracy" argument.

Awesome.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The scriptures themselves

No, those are the claims.
The evidence in support of those claims would necessarily have to come from another source.

Unless you don't mind fallacious circular arguments, off course.

 

[Ophiolite]

Well one thing is for sure: You are fully convinced that you are the smartest person in the room. Look up the word denial...

Well, he is very clearly smarter than some, though that's a low bar in certain instances.

 

[tas8831]

Nothing to do with the 1st amendment or the fact that there is no evidence supportive of the creation tales. Nothing like that... OK...

Please just tell me how the Universe started, and how life originated apart from God then!

It would be so cool if you could explain 1. what relevance your reply had to what I had written and 2. why there is no evidence for the creation tales.