Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

[Albion]

Hmm. I would think that those who are in the know about everything dealing with Masonry would not be able to say that.

I have read some of those criticisms, and I myself have agreed here on CF that several popular criticisms have some merit.

So nobody questions and everybody goes along to get along.
What outsiders know more about is all counter-intuitive to being an insider.
Unless of course we are talking about X-insiders.

This approach ^ covers all bases doesn't it? Here is a summary of how it works for the critic:

If a person joins Masonry, he must never ever leave if he finds that the organization is not to his liking. Of course, that is silly as an argument and defies all the evidence.

And if he does not withdraw, then it proves that he is "just going along to get along". There is no other possibility, say the critics. It cannot be because the member did not find fault with the organizations policies or beliefs. All bases covered.

And finally, the critics know everything because they have the word of people who never were members OR ELSE they have the word of the handful of people who were once members but since have made a career out of writing and lecturing as former members. One or the other of those must be believed implicitly while no current member can possibly be telling the truth.

But wait. When considering the testimony of those former members and their websites, we must not forget that it is also an article of faith among the ordinary skeptics that the only people who really know what is going on in Masonry are part of the imaginary cabal of secret higher-ups who rule of the worlds political systems and economies while keeping the rank and file members in the dark. That includes the former member "experts!" ​

 

[Rick Otto]

This approach ^ covers all bases doesn't it? Here is a summary of how it works for the critic:

If a person joins Masonry, he must never ever leave if he finds that the organization is not to his liking. Of course, that is silly as an argument and defies all the evidence.

And if he does not withdraw, then it proves that he is "just going along to get along". There is no other possibility, say the critics. It cannot be because the member did not find fault with the organizations policies or beliefs. All bases covered.

And finally, the critics know everything because they have the word of people who never were members OR ELSE they have the word of the handful of people who were once members but since have made a career out of writing and lecturing as former members. One or the other of those must be believed implicitly while no current member can possibly be telling the truth.

But wait. When considering the testimony of those former members and their websites, we must not forget that it is also an article of faith among the ordinary skeptics that the only people who really know what is going on in Masonry are part of the imaginary cabal of secret higher-ups who rule of the worlds political systems and economies while keeping the rank and file members in the dark. That includes the former member "experts!" ​

First, thanks for admitting I've covered all bases.
I played Short Stop in Little League.

It's nice when we are able to realize our logic is double edged.
It helps to adopt a rigid, purist definition when denying moral complexities to enhance our presentation.
And it's very satisfying when we think we are in the know and are on the inside.
BTW, did you chance to enjoy the video I posted on the masonic murder of Captain Morgan?

 

[Rick Otto]

We don't need anything else than Yeshua, Jesus.

He equips us.

 

[Rick Otto]

How does he relate to Feeemasonry?

He is the cornerstone they rejected. He named them "the builders", I think.
I've heard the Mandela effect has turned cornerstone to capstone.

 

[Rick Otto]

What has this got to do with the context of Pike's statement about Lucifer?

It's meant to discredit any criticism by redefining the context.

 

[Albion]

LOL. Don't enjoy eating the dish we serve, do we.

As usual, you've had to change the facts in order to fit your reply. If there is no dish being served (as there is not in this case here), no one is eating it and there is no taste to either enjoy or not enjoy.

 

[Albion]

It's meant to discredit any criticism by redefining the context.

It is the critics who redefine the context. Much of that comes from not having read the book (have you read it?) or else because they are attributing the hoaxter Leo Taxil's words to Pike.

 

[Rick Otto]

As usual, you've had to change the facts in order to fit your reply. If there is no dish being served (as there is not in this case here), no one is eating it and there is no taste to either enjoy or not enjoy.

Pretty bald faced for it's vagueness, but no surprise as I've witnessed your "as usual" accusations and your solitary purpose in being here for as long as I have been around.

 

[Rick Otto]

It is the critics who redefine the context. Much of that comes from not having read the book (have you read it?) or else because they are attributing the hoaxter Leo Taxil's words to Pike.

You are an expert at redefinition as your post demonstrates.

 

[Albion]

Pretty bald faced for it's vagueness, but no surprise as I've witnessed your "as usual" accusations and your solitary purpose in being here for as long as I have been around.

I do believe that when millions of people are being accused of some pretty awful things--but with no real evidence--it is right to stick to the facts rather than make a case based on generalizations, hearsay, and actual misstatements.

 

[Rick Otto]

I do believe that when millions of people are being accused of some pretty awful things--but with no real evidence--it is right to stick to the facts rather than make a case based on generalizations, hearsay, and actual misstatements.

"Millions"...
"no real"...
Both expert AND incessant I see.

 

[Theo102]

As usual, you've had to change the facts in order to fit your reply.

Can you give a single example of Rick "changing the facts"?

 

[Theo102]

I've heard the Mandela effect has turned cornerstone to capstone.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?
Job 38:4-7

 

[Rick Otto]

Can you give a single example of Rick "changing the facts"?

Thanks, but I must issue you a Bottomless Pit Advisory.
I've decided to try out the "Ignore Feature" on these ones who show up here only to condescend and belittle as well as far worse.

 

[Rick Otto]

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?
Job 38:4-7

Matt.21

1. [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mark.12

1. [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Luke.20

1. [17] And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

Acts.4

1. [11] This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

1Pet.2

1. [7] Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner

 

[Theo102]

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
This is YHWH's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
Psalm 118:23-24

Psalm 118 starts and ends describing the mercy of YHWH. The nations are described surrounding the speaker like bees,but he says the he will destroy them in the name of YHWH. Rather than destroying them the speaker is saved by YHWH, with the speaker saying that "the right hand of YHWH doeth valiantly".

 

[Rick Otto]

Just wanted to give everyone a second chance to see this because it got ignored and lost in the conversation:

 

[Rubricnigel]

Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)

Very good article on why Christians shouldnt associate with them. And why the orthodox bans enrollment in it.

Also the Alta Vendita. Short booklet about how an order of free masons wanted to infilitrate the Catholic church and destroy it from within.

Alta Vendita - Wikipedia

 

[Rick Otto]

Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)

Very good article on why Christians shouldnt associate with them. And why the orthodox bans enrollment in it.

Also the Alta Vendita. Short booklet about how an order of free masons wanted to infilitrate the Catholic church and destroy it from within.

Alta Vendita - Wikipedia

Thanks.
This guy outs them quite a bit:

 

[Albion]

Also the Alta Vendita. Short booklet about how an order of free masons wanted to infilitrate the Catholic church and destroy it from within.

Alta Vendita - Wikipedia

"The document details an alleged Masonic plan to infiltrate the Catholic Church and spread liberal ideas within it. The Carbonari had strong similarities to Freemasonry and so the document is seen by some as a Masonic document."

That's what your link says. The document is not Masonic at all.