Trump most honest President in modern history

[Truthfrees]

All that is needed are honest ears to hear what he's said, honest eyes to read what he wrote, when he has contradicted himself, stated falsehoods, or had the White House do the same. There's no interpretation or understanding needed, just integrity.

no - what is needed is fair unbiased ears to listen to what the man actually said and the context in which he said it

 

[Go Braves]

no - what is needed is fair unbiased ears to listen to what the man actually said and the context in which he said it

Yes, exactly - what is needed is fair unbiased ears to listen to what the man actually said and the context in which he said it.

 

[ViaCrucis]

no - what is needed is fair unbiased ears to listen to what the man actually said and the context in which he said it

Yep. And that's precisely why we know he's lying.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Truthfrees]

Yep. And that's precisely why we know he's lying.

-CryptoLutheran

and that is why we know he is not

 

[Gigimo]

I never go by one article, or always agree with an article totally.

My view of Trump is from his own words, and his own behavior, and his behavior over the decades.

Me personally I'm giving credit for it to "silly season" that's when they empty out the closet of all kinds of stuff to try and sway voters to vote a certain way. Happens every 2 years just like clockwork, you can almost tell what day it is without looking at a calendar or cellphone. Then the day after voting it gets put back in the closet and people start composing some new stuff for the next go round.

 

[Gigimo]

the whole pack of them are unproven - only allegations - the mountain of allegations does not miraculously turn into even one proven fact

what is that saying about tell a lie often enough and people will start to believe it? - well the tangibles trump has accomplished cause more and more people to tune out the unproven allegations

people honestly don't have any interest in hearing any more stories - msm cried wolf too often - people just don't buy it anymore - or if they think it might be true to some degree they don't care - they care about the tangibles

You know I wonder how many of his campaign promises have been broken because The Turtle and others like him have been sitting on their hands??

 

[Gigimo]

the whole pack of them are unproven - only allegations - the mountain of allegations does not miraculously turn into even one proven fact

That's all they have right now.

 

[Truthfrees]

That's all they have right now.

yes - something has become clear recently - too many people think allegations mean something - at least until they get falsely accused - then they realize that false accusations happen more often than people like to think - thank God for innocent until PROVEN guilty

 

[Truthfrees]

You know I wonder how many of his campaign promises have been broken because ... have been sitting on their hands??

i edited your post - but yes - if the career politicians would have got down to business so many of THEIR promises AND trump's promises would have been finalized by now

i don't understand how these career politicians can gripe for 8 years in the minority saying "WE will do xyz" and then when they are in the majority they fight with each other and kaibosh good proposals - thank God many of them said they will not seek re-election - we need patriots who want to SERVE america - not themselves - we need doers not talkers

 

[Truthfrees]

Me personally I'm giving credit for it to "silly season" that's when they empty out the closet of all kinds of stuff to try and sway voters to vote a certain way. Happens every 2 years just like clockwork, you can almost tell what day it is without looking at a calendar or cellphone. Then the day after voting it gets put back in the closet and people start composing some new stuff for the next go round.

yep - i can see silly season - i remember when hrc was running against obama - the things he and bernie said about her being crooked - then after the election obama praises her and adds her to his cabinet - silly season describes it perfectly

 

[Truthfrees]

Yes, exactly - what is needed is fair unbiased ears to listen to what the man actually said and the context in which he said it.

agreed - that is what is needed - and when something is not clear ask for clarification - don't presume - something we all need to learn to do even in our own lives with our own associations

i've been surprised at how many times i have misjudged someone's statements until i asked them to clarify -

one thing that annoys us all is when someone TELLS us what we said - rewording our statements - i think that happens too often - msm does it prolifically - and i guess we all do it to some degree

 

[FreeinChrist]

All that is needed are honest ears to hear what he's said, honest eyes to read what he wrote, when he has contradicted himself, stated falsehoods, or had the White House do the same. There's no interpretation or understanding needed, just integrity.

You are being optimistic.
I have found that showing facts mean nothing if it does not fit a treasured belief.

 

[Truthfrees]

You are being optimistic.
I have found that showing facts mean nothing if it does not fit a treasured belief.

so true - that is the problem we all have with each other - what one thinks is fact the other does not - each side has their treasured pov that is not easily changed

 

[FreeinChrist]

so true - that is the problem we all have with each other - what one thinks is fact the other does not - each side has their treasured pov that is not easily changed

You are missing my point really. The view that Trump has lied a great deal has a great deal of factual evidence, much of which comes from Trump himself, to back that view. He makes stuff up.

I see no support for your view and it is nothing but treasured belief in a man. You have offered nothing.

 

[Truthfrees]

You are missing my point really. The view that Trump has lied a great deal has a great deal of factual evidence, much of which comes from Trump himself, to back that view. He makes stuff up.

I see no support for your view and it is nothing but treasured belief in a man. You have offered nothing.

i understand - but what you call factual evidence isn't - it's still unproven allegations

he doesn't make stuff up - he:
1. gives his pov sometimes - something he believes - something off the cuff - like schiff pelosi schumer do
2. sometimes he gives us info before it is officially announced - as per his executive privilege
3. sometimes he makes facetious jokes like - i wish everyone would bow to me like kjy's people bow to him - we all know it is trump joking - but msm twists it into a "factual" statement

i see your pov as your treasured beliefs against the man - and you have offered just as much "nothing" as i have

msm is wrong a lot of times because they give us THEIR pov and call it news

 

[FreeinChrist]

No, he makes things up. And there is factual information to judge his statements on.

 

[Truthfrees]

No, he makes things up. And there is factual information to judge his statements on.

not seeing that or agreeing with that - there is a lot of misunderstanding of what he meant because no one asks for clarification - msm just assumes and selectively reports what fits their narrative

 

[tulc]

not seeing that or agreeing with that - there is a lot of misunderstanding of what he meant because no one asks for clarification - msm just assumes and selectively reports what fits their narrative

You do understand, this has nothing to do with "msm", right? It's simply a fact that President Trump tends to lie. A lot. And about stuff that can easily be shown to be lies. That's not an "opinion" or a "point of view" that's a simple, verifiable fact.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

 

[Truthfrees]

You do understand, this has nothing to do with "msm", right? It's simply a fact that President Trump tends to lie. A lot. And about stuff that can easily be shown to be lies. That's not an "opinion" or a "point of view" that's a simple, verifiable fact.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

no it is a narrative - unproven allegations

 

[tulc]

no it is a narrative - unproven allegations

...uhmmm...just because some people don't want to accept the truth, that doesn't change what is true. President Trump lies. He lies about things that can easily be shown that he's lying about them. That's not an "opinion" that's not a "narrative" it's simply the truth.
tulc(will repeat as often as needed)