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[The Barbarian]

i don't need to be taken seriously

Then you're doing just fine. If you do want to be credible, just start supporting your claims.

 

[Truthfrees]

We can tell them the truth about Trump until we're blue in the face, but their faithfulness to him is unwavering and I seriously doubt they will ever admit they compromised their moral convictions to vote for him and to continue to support him. I'm sure these Christians would still support him and dote over him even if he told them point blank that he lies and cheats. Like I said, if Trump was a liberal Democratic president, they would be condemning him instead of fiercely supporting him.

lol - like how the tiny minority of the population dotes over msm and believes every unverified boldfaced lie msm promotes?

 

[The Barbarian]

The smart thing to do, is listen to all different sources, and then think for yourself. FOX gets a lot of brickbats because they have a required set of republican talking points to sell. But that doesn't mean they always lie.

Mother Jones tends to do the liberal slant consistently. But that doesn't mean you can't get the truth from them, either.

And then the mainstream media runs in between the extremes. I check them all out. And that makes me harder to fool.

 

[Truthfrees]

"I'll release my taxes (like every other presidential candidate has done in the last 50 years)
Broken Continues to make excuses why he won't do it.

"My new tax policy is going to cost me money."
Broken He's making millions on it.

"I'll restore respect for the United States in the World."
Broken First American president to be laughed at during an address at the United Nations.

"I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off.”
Broken Trump is setting a record for the number of vacations he's taken in office.
Before assuming office, Trump repeatedly criticized former president Barack Obama for the amount of time Obama spent golfing. Yet, PolitiFact's Trump Golf Tracker (last updated May 18) shows that in his first year as president, Trump outpaced Obama in the amount of time spent on golf courses.
Updated - Trump-O-Meter: Not take vacations

“We're bringing it (the GDP) from 1 percent up to 4 percent. And I actually think we can go higher than 4 percent. I think you can go to 5 percent or 6 percent.”
Broken Didn't happen last year. Might not this year, either.

"I'll stop the merger of Time-Warner and CNN."
Broken It's a done deal.

"I'll repeal Obamacare and replace it with something beautiful."
Broken

"I'll invest 1 trillion dollars for improving infrastructure."
Broken He spent it all on tax cuts.

"We'll get prescription drug prices way down."
Broken Never happened.

"Six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother whose employer doesn't provide it."
Broken Spent the money on a tax cut for himself.

"I'll build a big beautiful wall."
Broken Can't get it up.

"I'll sue all those women accusing me of sexual misconduct after the election."
Broken He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's not crazy.

"I'll bring back thousands of coal jobs."
Broken Coal jobs continue to decline.

"I'll make American safer."
Broken For the first time in decades, violence went up in 2017.

Anyone want to challenge that list? Pick the one you think is most wrong, and we'll start there.

lol - msm at it's finest? -

 

[The Barbarian]

lol - like how the tiny minority of the population dotes over msm and believes every unverified boldfaced lie msm promotes?

Here's a list of the most popular internet news sources.
Top 15 Most Popular News Websites | May 2018

Kind of a mixed bag, isn't it? Notice that CNN is number 4, but FOX is just two steps down from that, at 6. Which is a pretty good thing; notice there are no off-the-wall radical sources therein.

 

[The Barbarian]

lol - msm at it's finest? -

Pick one and challenge me on it. Might be a revelation for you.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Then you're doing just fine. If you do want to be credible, just start supporting your claims.

Well, I know quite a few non-Christians who don't take the Christians who support Trump seriously and they think these Christians are nothing more than hypocrites. None of the non-Christians I know IRL or online take these Christians witness seriously or their attempt to evangelize seriously or their moral convictions seriously either. I feel the same way even though I'm not a non-Christian myself. I've had the pleasure of calling these Christian Trump supporters out a couple of times and I've seen a few of them being called out and shut down before they even got the chance to witness.

 

[Truthfrees]

Then you're doing just fine. If you do want to be credible, just start supporting your claims.

lol - credible isn't my problem - it's msm's problem

 

[Truthfrees]

Well, I know quite a few non-Christians who don't take the Christians who support Trump seriously and they think these Christians are nothing more than hypocrites. None of the non-Christians I know IRL or online take these Christians witness seriously or their attempt to evangelize seriously or their moral convictions seriously either. I feel the same way even though I'm not a non-Christian myself. I've had the pleasure of calling these Christian Trump supporters out a couple of times and I've seen a few of them being called out and shut down before they even got the chance to witness.

there are a lot of hypocrites for sure but it isn't trump and his supporters - the morality issues seem to lie elsewhere as well - those pointing fingers already know the truth imo - it just doesn't suit their narrative perhaps - who knows?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

lol - credible isn't my problem - it's msm's problem

I disagree. Personally speaking, I don't have the slightest hint of respect for anyone, Christian or otherwise, who politically supports and defends Donald Trump. I especially don't take the witness or the moral convictions or the reputation seriously of the Christians who support and defend him.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

there are a lot of hypocrites for sure but it isn't trump and his supporters - the morality issues seem to lie elsewhere as well - those pointing fingers already know the truth imo - it just doesn't suit their narrative perhaps - who knows?

Again, I disagree. The truth of the matter is, if Donald Trump was a liberal Democratic president instead of pretending to be a conservative Christian president, he would not have any support or defense from the Republican Christian Right. He would be condemned and not defended.

If former President Obama had demostrated even the slightest hint of immoral and sexual deviant behavior, the Republicn Christian Right would have come unhinged like it did with Bill Clinton.

But since Donald Trump ran his presidential campaign as a Republican conservative, he has the love and admiration and devotion of the Republican Christian Right, despite his immoral and sexual deviant behavior. He has the depth of leniency that the Republican Christian Right would have never given Barack Obama and they never did give to Bill Clinton when he was in the midst of his sexual scandals.

 

[Truthfrees]

Pick one and challenge me on it. Might be a revelation for you.

been there done that - used to drink the msm kool aid - i already know that each person has to find out for themselves

if you are happy with msm then there is nothing i can say to change your mind

if you don't see the glaring weaknesses of msm then there is nothing i can say

when you see it for yourself i won't need to say anything - you will be the one telling me - and i will be glad for you that you saw through msm's skewed presentations

 

[Truthfrees]

Again, I disagree. The truth of the matter is, if Donald Trump was a liberal Democratic president instead of pretending to be a conservative Christian president, he would not have any support or defense from the Republican Christian Right. He would be condemned and not defended.

If former President Obama had demostrated even the slightest hint of immoral and sexual deviant behavior, the Republicn Christian Right would have come unhinged like it did with Bill Clinton.

an interesting hypothetical - it still can't undo the present day tangibles

 

[Shiloh Raven]

an interesting hypothetical - it still can't undo the present day tangibles

It's not hypothetical and I know we both know it. The moment of truth is now: Would you have supported Donald Trump like you do now if he was a liberal Democratic president? Yes or no?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

been there done that - used to drink the msm kool aid - i already know that each person has to find out for themselves

if you are happy with msm then there is nothing i can say to change your mind

if you don't see the glaring weaknesses of msm then there is nothing i can say

when you see it for yourself i won't need to say anything - you will be the one telling me - and i will be glad for you that you saw through msm's skewed presentations

In other words, you won't take his challenge because you can't prove him wrong?

 

[Truthfrees]

I disagree. Personally speaking, I don't have the slightest hint of respect for anyone, Christian or otherwise, who politically supports and defends Donald Trump. I especially don't take the witness or the moral convictions or the reputation seriously of the Christians who support and defend him.

that's fine - but don't be surprised that we feel the same way back - we think you are wrong and you think we are wrong - that is the facts

you can disparage us - but it will only fall back on you

the bible says we reap what we sow - so if you disrespect trump and his supporters you are setting yourself up for a world of harm

we could disrespect you too - but we choose to pray for you instead that you will see what msm is doing to the news

i care about you - and i will not talk about you the way you talk about us - that is God's business - God is awesome and He has good things for you - that is all i care about

 

[Truthfrees]

In other words, you won't take his challenge because you can't prove him wrong?

i already said what i meant - those are your words and you will have to deal with your own words if you can't deal with my words

 

[Shiloh Raven]

that's fine - but don't be surprised that we feel the same way back - we think you are wrong and you think we are wrong - that is the facts

you can disparage us - but it will only fall back on you

the bible says we reap what we sow - so if you disrespect trump and his supporters you are setting yourself up for a world of harm

we could disrespect you too - but we choose to pray for you instead that you will see what msm is doing to the news

i care about you - and i will not talk about you the way you talk about us - that is God's business - God is awesome and He has good things for you - that is all i care about

I use to have respect for evangelical Christians before I saw the majority of them drop all pretenses to politically support a man who could rival Bill Clinton in immoral and sexual deviant behavior after they threw such a moral indignant hissy fit over Bill Clinton's sexual deviance and his sexual scandals.

 

[Truthfrees]

It's not hypothetical and I know we both know it. The moment of truth is now: Would you have supported Donald Trump like you do now if he was a liberal Democratic president? Yes or no?

it is hypothetical and we both know it

i would have supported anyone who was elected and prayed for him

i would have supported any good thing any president did to serve the country

i am a caregiver and highly respect anyone who cares for america

i do not respect anyone who trashes america and tries to harm her - that is a fool's errand - that tears the country apart

standing together to BUILD something good is wise - anything else is destructive and childish

 

[Truthfrees]

I use to have respect for evangelical Christians before I saw the majority of them drop all pretenses to politically support a man who could rival Bill Clinton in immoral and sexual deviant behavior after they threw such a moral indignant hissy fit over Bill Clinton's sexual deviance and his sexual scandals.

well that is the kind of assumption that sets people on the wrong path - drinking the msm kool aid rather than taking a look at msm - judging and criticizing good people will pile up on the judger-

no one can live a good and peaceful life when they have a heart filled with negativity toward their president or their fellow man