Did God break His covenant with David/Solomon?

[fishmansf]

2 Samuel 7:14 "‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’". After reading this it sounds like God is making a covenant with David/Solomon about his kingdom never coming to an end. I assume that this is also talking about the Davidic line of Jesus too ruling forever, BUT in 1 Kings 11:11-13 the Lord says, "Since this has been your practice and you have not kept my covenant and my statutes that I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you and will give it to your servant. 12Yet for the sake of David your father I will not do it in your days, but I will tear it out of the hand of your son. 13However, I will not tear away all the kingdom, but I will give one tribe to your son, for the sake of David my servant and for the sake of Jerusalem that I have chosen." Did God break his covenant with David/Solomon? Or was God saying that he would take away Solomon's line and instead set up a different Holy Everlasting kingdom through Jesus later?

 

[RDKirk]

2 Samuel 7:14 "‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’". After reading this it sounds like God is making a covenant with David/Solomon about his kingdom never coming to an end. I assume that this is also talking about the Davidic line of Jesus too ruling forever, BUT in 1 Kings 11:11-13 the Lord says, "Since this has been your practice and you have not kept my covenant and my statutes that I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you and will give it to your servant. 12Yet for the sake of David your father I will not do it in your days, but I will tear it out of the hand of your son. 13However, I will not tear away all the kingdom, but I will give one tribe to your son, for the sake of David my servant and for the sake of Jerusalem that I have chosen." Did God break his covenant with David/Solomon? Or was God saying that he would take away Solomon's line and instead set up a different Holy Everlasting kingdom through Jesus later?

A covenant requires the performance of two parties to remain in effect.

God clearly said, "...you have not kept my covenant...."

 

[~Zao~]

A covenant requires the performance of two parties to remain in effect.

God clearly said, "...you have not kept my covenant...."

Very one-sided argument in deed.

 

[robycop3]

No, God DIDN'T! remember, God said that if david's descendants sinned, He'd PUNISH them, but He would NOT end the dynasty, as He'd ended that of Saul.

In Jeremiah 33, God re-iterates His promise to David of an everlasting dynasty. God chose that time to re-iterate it because He was preparing to remove Zedekiah from the throne, and he'd already declared Coniah's descendants ineligible for the throne.

But remember, Solomon had other sons! The custom of the time was to send most other sons, besides the "crown prince" to other lands, with riches & servants, so there wouldn't be a war of succession between the princes.

Also, as God was sending the babylonians to depose Zedekiah, He declared three "overturns" of the throne in Ezekiel 21:27, saying it wouldn't be overturned any more til Jesus came to occupy it. Now, some said that was fulfilled when Jeremiah migrated to what's now Ireland with Zedekiah's daughters, arranging for the king of Ireland to marry one of them, with their child becoming king & ruling over some Israelis who'd also migrated there, accomplishing the first overturn. And it's known that the Irish line eventually merged into the Scottish royal line thru the Fergus clan, accomplishing the 2nd overturn, & that King James VI, from that line, became king of Britain, accomplishing the 3rd overturn.

That's not ENTIRELY far-fetched, except I believe another son of Solomon's was already in Ireland & that Zedekiah's line was finished, throne-wise. But David's throne(rulership) is somewhere on earth. Jesus did NOT take it to heaven with Him, and remember, when some Jews wanted to make Him King, He hid from them. He will be King upon His return, & He's gonna take over a rulership that's here on earth. Somewhere on earth, there's a descendant of David's & Solomon's ruling over Israelis, according to God's unbreakable peomise! He may not be a king; he may be a president, PM, local chieftain, or some other title, but he IS here.

 

[~Zao~]

The sceptre shall remain in Shiloh until Shiloh comes, until the return of Christ. At Samuel’s time the sceptre was in Shiloh. Then the people rejected that cornerstone for a King, David becoming the path that Shiloh was to return on. But the genealogies of Jesus follow 2 different paths. One the path of Nathan which continues to Mary from the house of David, veering off at the consumation of Bathsheba’s child.
No one can ever keep the covenant made with Shiloh because it was a one-sided covenant made between God and Son and given to those to whom He shares His inheritance. The rulers of Jerusalem lost the authority of life and death at the Roman rule, but Christ gained it back to Him.

 

[ewq1938]

Zec_11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

 

[robycop3]

Remember, God told Ezekiel that He'd overturn (not end) David's throne 3 times. At that time, He was preparing to end Zedekiah's reign, and He declared Coniah and his descendants ineligible for the throne. So, plainly, God ended the lines of Zedekiah or Coniah from occupying David's throne.

Jeremiah was also a prophet active in Zedekiah's time. God told him. in Jer. 33:25 “Thus says the Lord: ‘If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, 26 then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them.’ ”

So we see God intended for generations of david's descendants to be ruling over at least SOME Israelis til Jesus returns. Earlier, in that same chapter, God had told Jerry that David would never lack a man to occupy his throne. Jesus didn't occupy that throne at His first coming, but he will take it over when He returns, ruling the world from Jerusalem.

So, Dave's throne is still here on earth. Its occupant doesn't necessarily have to be a king. He could be a president, Prime Minister, or some other head of state. But, somewhere on earth, a descendant of David's is ruling over some Israelis right now![/COLOR]

 

[robycop3]

Here's a very-overlooked prophecy - 2 Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own and move no more; nor shall the sons of wickedness oppress them anymore, as previously,

God said this at the time He was promising David an unending dynasty. At that time, Israel seemed secure, under one of its mightiest kings, under God, successful in battle against every foe. It's evident this prophecy was not about the "Promised Land", as Israel was already in it, & God didn't then say He would return Israel to that land. Besides that, God had already appointed Israel to the Promised Land, so He had to have meant another place!

Now, WHERE IS THAT PLACE ?????????????

 

[Mathetes66]

No He didn't. Jesus the Messiah is the fulfillment & the King in the line of David as Scripture teaches not 3 overturns.

The Messiah Would Be a Descendant of David • Jews for Jesus

Luke 1:31-33 Behold, you will conceive & give birth to a son & you are to give Him the name Jesus. 32He will be great & will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God WILL GIVE HIM THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID & HE WILL REIGN OVER THE HOUSE OF JACOB FOREVER. HIS KINGDOM WILL NEVER END!"

Jeremiah 23:5,6 Behold, the days are coming, declares YHWH, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch & He shall reign as king & wisely & shall execute justice & righteousness in the land. In His days Judah will be saved & Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which HE WILL BE CALLED: ‘YHWH our righteousness.’”

Romans 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH & who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Matt 1:1 This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, THE SON OF DAVID, the son of Abraham...

Rom 9:4-6 Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the law, the temple worship, and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and FROM THEM PROCEEDS THE HUMAN DESCENT OF THE MESSIAH, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen. It is NOT as though God’s word HAS FAILED.

Genesis 49:10 The scepter shall NOT depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between His feet, until Shiloh come & TO HIM SHALL THE GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE BE.

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever & ever: the scepter of Thy kingdom is a right scepter.

Heb 1:8,9 But ABOUT THE SON He (God the Father) says: "Your throne, O God, endures forever & ever & justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness & hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy."

Psalm 48:2 Beautiful in loftiness, the joy of all the earth, like the peaks of Zaphron is Mount Zion, the city of the great King.

Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey Him.'

Psalm 2:1ff Why do the nations rage & the peoples plot in vain? 2The kings of the earth take their stand & the rulers gather together,
against the LORD & against His Messiah (Anointed One). 3“Let us break Their chains & cast away Their cords.” 4The One enthroned in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision. 5Then He rebukes them in His anger & terrifies them in His fury. 6“I have installed MY KING IN ZION, upon My holy hill.” 7 I WILL PROCLAIM THE DECREE TO ME SPOKEN BY THE LORD: “You are My Son; today I have begotten You. 8Ask of Me & I will make the nations Your inheritance, the ends of the earth YOUR POSSESSION. 9You will break them with an iron scepter; You will shatter them like pottery.”
10Therefore be wise, O kings; be admonished, O judges of the earth. 11Serve the LORD with fear & rejoice with trembling. 12Kiss the Son, lest He be angry& you perish in your rebellion, when His wrath ignites in an instant. Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.

Ezek 27:1 A ruin, a ruin, I will make it a ruin! And it will NOT be restored UNTIL HE COMES TO WHOM IT BELONGS, to whom I have assigned judgment.'

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Psalm 132:11,17,18
The LORD swore an oath to David, a promise He will NOT revoke: “One of your descendants I will set on your throne. There I will make A HORN grow for David;
I have prepared a lamp for My MESSIAH (anointed One). 18I will clothe His enemies with shame, but THE CROWN UPON HIM WILL GLEAM.”

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