WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

[Neogaia777]

Nope! Those who continue in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state with God as they do not know him.

You do realize that eliminates everyone, including yourself, right..? You do not keep the commandments perfectly all the time, and I'm guessing have been shown the truth about this and yourself in this that you rejected hearing about or just would not hear...

So, was that a sin cause you chose to remain ignorant, I'd say it is and was, a sin, and leads only to more sin you do not choose to see and remain blind and ignorant about...

I don't mean to call you ignorant, but you prove and show that you are (ignorant) (about sin) by what you saying, preaching and teaching and in how you talk...

It is sin to, after the covenant of Grace, to try and take people back to the covenant of law, period...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Where is your scripture? Where does it say you can continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN and be in a saved state with God? Those who continue in sin reject the gift of God's dear son and the wages of sin is death.

ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
[27], But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

HEBREWS 6:4-8
[4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for them by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briars is worthless, and is near unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Guess were all screwed then....

Perfection is not possible, and thinking it is, leads to all kinds and manners of sins that most the people seeking it or trying to attain to it (perfection) do not see and remain blind and ignorant to in the process...

Trying to keep and obey the commandments is a trap of sin all it's own, that those trying to abide in the letter of the law, do not even see... But it's some of the worst kind(s) of sin IMO...

The law makes nothing perfect and far from it, in that it actually makes sin, and a person individually much worse, in a way that many just do not see and choose not to see (or reject) (a/the truth) (about the true nature and purpose of the law, how it is done away with now, how it only brings judgment, cannot save, ect)...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Guess were all screwed then....
God Bless!

Why? Salvation is from sin not a liscence to continue in sin. This is the good news of the gospel and why Jesus died on the cross for our sins and gives us power to walk in newness of life.

God bless

 

[Karola]

@LoveGodsWord does think that, and he's wrong...

God Bless!

Do you believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as Evangelicals believe in it?
I grew up in a church which
Stressed the ''baptism in the Spirit''. I used to go to church camps, sit on a wooden bench in a giant marquee and wait to receive the baptism when prayed for to receive. Nothing ever happened, though others around me did receive. I figured it was because I was too unworthy to receive. I then felt out of place at the church. I used to sit on a wall close to the church after the service on a Sunday and smoke a cigarette. The looks I got from the stalwarts of the church made me think I would go to hell for smoking alone, let alone all my other imperfections.

Anyway, a few years later grace discovered me. I came to realise I could receive the Baptism by faith, not because I was worthy enough to receive. Then I too was baptised in the Holy Spirit.

A while later I went to hear an internationally known evangelist preach. After the service they prayed with a few of us in a side room. Though the evangelist had never met me before, they told me much about my life, and they confirmed I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. And yet, at that time I still smoked!

I learnt a valuable lesson that day. God does not demand of you, what some of his children do, either to be in a saved state, or to bless you as a Christian

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You do realize that eliminates everyone, including yourself, right..? You do not keep the commandments perfectly all the time, and I'm guessing have been shown the truth about some sin in yourself that you rejected hearing about or just would not hear...

So, was that a sin cause you chose to remain ignorant, I'd say it is and was, a sin, and leads only to more sin you do not choose to see and remain blind and ignorant about...

I don't mean to call you ignorant, but you prove and show that you are (ignorant) (about sin) by what you saying, preaching and teaching and in how you talk...

It is sin to, after the covenant of Grace, to try and take people back to the covenant of law, period...

God Bless!

Known sin is not the same as unknown sin. We are to grow in the knowledge of God's grace as God reveals more and more to us.

 

[Barney2.0]

I hope your not trying to prove the Seventh day Adventist Church is the true Church.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I hope your not trying to prove the Seventh day Adventist Church is the true Church.

Please read the very first sentence in the OP.

 

[Karola]

Guess were all screwed then....

Perfection is not possible, and thinking it is, leads to all kinds and manners of sins that most the people seeking it or trying to attain to it (perfection) do not see and remain blind and ignorant to in the process...

Trying to keep and obey the commandments is a trap of sin all it's own, that those trying to abide in the letter of the law, do not even see... But it's some of the worst kind(s) of sin IMO...

The law makes nothing perfect and far from it, in that it actually makes sin, and a person individually much worse, in a way that many just do not see and choose not to see (or reject) (a/the truth) (about the true nature and purpose of the law, how it is done away with now, how it only brings judgment, cannot save, ect)...

God Bless!

sda believe you know what law God wants you to follow by reading what is written in ink. Scripture tells us that is not where the law is for the believer.
sda believe you commit sins of ignorance, yet they acknowledge the law is in your heart and mind.
Therefore, they must believe:
Through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin.
If the law does not condemn you if you do not break it. Being in a justified state hinges on obeying the law.
How come sda members do not know when they are breaking the law? Who is the convictor of sin?

One verse sums it up nicely:
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code(law written in ink).rom7:6

If you follow after the written code, you have a trinity of Father, Son and the bible

 

[Neogaia777]

Why? Salvation is from sin not a liscence to continue in sin.

I never said it was....

This is the good news of the gospel and why Jesus died on the cross for our sins and gives us power to walk in newness of life.

God bless

Really, that's the whole entire gospel Huh...?

God Bless!

 

[JLB777]

Yes, abide in Him, and He in me. It is like a marriage. We are the Bride of Christ.

Yes ma’am.

It’s the biblical definition of eternal life.

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3


If I claim to “know Him” (have eternal life) but don’t keep His commandments, I’m a liar and the truth in not in me.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I never said it was....


Really, that's the whole entire gospel Huh...?

God Bless!

The Gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and we are to live by it *MATTHEW 4:4.

 

[JLB777]

The one and only "Church" is not a building, not a collection of rules and regulations put together by men.... It is every true believer of Christ and His work on the cross.

But, far be it for me to get in the way of all the bashing of one denomination of another over infant baptism, baptism for salvation, salvation by works, the Holy Communion and the true flesh and blood of Christ, Perpetual virginity.... and on and on it goes.

Please get in the way of it.

We don’t need to bash, but all come to the unity of the faith.

Not tossed around by every wind of doctrine.

There is one doctrine.

The doctrine of Christ.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



JLB

 

[Neogaia777]

The Gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and we are to live by it *MATTHEW 4:4.

Tell us what specifically to live by then...?

And how it is different or not different from the law...?

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Tell us what specifically to live by then...?

And how it is different or not different from the law...?

God Bless!

What do you not understand about the Gospel being EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we are to live by *MATTHEW 4:4?

 

[JLB777]

The Gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and we are to live by it *MATTHEW 4:4.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is -

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.


The Truth is Jesus Christ and every word that comes out of His mouth, including His Gospel, And His Doctrine.


Those who go beyond His doctrine and add things or take away things from what He taught, do not have God.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Jesus taught us how to love God by loving our neighbor.


Those who hate their brother no longer have eternal life in them.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15



JLB

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I hope your not trying to prove the Seventh day Adventist Church is the true Church.

Might as well. Yours and half of the forum jumped under that bandwagon years ago. I sure hope you're not criticizing him for it.

 

[JLB777]

What do you not understand about the Gospel being EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we are to live by *MATTHEW 4:4?

Is this the Gospel that Jesus taught -


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15


This person asked you a question and deserves an answer from you.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Might as well. Yours and half of the forum jumped under that bandwagon years ago. I sure hope you're not criticizing him for it.

Jesus defined for us who His family is.


But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Luke 8:21


JLB

 

[JLB777]

It is sin to, after the covenant of Grace, to try and take people back to the covenant of law, period...

I think I agree with what you are saying, but could you please help me to understand your position.


What is the covenant of grace?


I know what the New Covenant is but not the Covenant of grace.

I know we are under grace and not the law.


Thanks JLB

 

[Karola]

Tell us what specifically to live by then...?

And how it is different or not different from the law...?

God Bless!

Karola said: ↑
I will ask once more

Does a Christian remain in a justified state if they break the law?

Bob Ryan response:

Obviously they do - because there is no such thing as "Saved but not justified". Not one single person in heaven will get there "saved but not justified"

Karola said:

Does the law condemn a person if they break it?

Bob Ryan response

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 -- that scripture is not changing.
The only way out of it is repentance and forgiveness.

But God does not cause you to lose your new-creation , new-heart, saved state each time you sin. (As already stated).


So according to Bob Ryan(sda member) if you commit known sin you remain in a saved/justified state. For you can only repent of sin you are conscious of committing.