God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

[dad]

So if we have an allegorical story about Abraham, why do you persist in claiming that God could not have an allegorical story about Adam or Eve, if they were real people?



And now you're telling us that Adam is not a figure of Christ? Paul tells us that Jesus is the new Adam. Why won't you believe this?

There really was an Abraham. We learn stuff from his life that was prophetic. You want to make Adam and Eve fictional, just because there are some prophetic or figurative lessons to be learned from them also. Basically you seem to want to wave the bible away or make it a pack of lies and bizarre stories to comply with so called science..which is totally wrong anyhow. Ho hum.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
So if we have an allegorical story about Abraham, why do you persist in claiming that God could not have an allegorical story about Adam or Eve, if they were real people?

And now you're telling us that Adam is not a figure of Christ? Paul tells us that Jesus is the new Adam. Why won't you believe this?

There really was an Abraham.

There really was an Adam, too. Why do you think otherwise?

You want to make Adam and Eve fictional

You're the one denying that he's real. I'm pointing out to you that there was an actual Adam. Basically you seem to want to wave the bible away or make it a pack of lies and bizarre stories to comply your new man-made doctrines.

Why not just accept it as He did it? And why are you opposed to Paul's statement that Jesus is the new Adam?

 

[dad]

Barbarian observes:
So if we have an allegorical story about Abraham, why do you persist in claiming that God could not have an allegorical story about Adam or Eve, if they were real people?

When the bible says 'all things happened unto them for ensamples' it does not mean...they never really existed and were just allegories.

So do you think Adam really lived and that a real woman was taken from his bone...or not?

And now you're telling us that Adam is not a figure of Christ? Paul tells us that Jesus is the new Adam. Why won't you believe this?

No one said any such thing. He was a real man that was also a figure of Christ to come one day.

There really was an Adam, too. Why do you think otherwise?

It is not me that thinks there was no Adam. Do you think there was the one man named Adam who was really created by God?

I'm pointing out to you that there was an actual Adam. Basically you seem to want to wave the bible away or make it a pack of lies and bizarre stories to comply your new man-made doctrines.

Great, so this seems to mean you think there was a garden and a man and a woman created. Correct?

Why not just accept it as He did it? And why are you opposed to Paul's statement that Jesus is the new Adam?

Obviously that is the case, why would anyone think otherwise? Why do you pretend I say things I never dreamed of?

 

[The Barbarian]

When the bible says 'all things happened unto them for ensamples' it does not mean...they never really existed and were just allegories.

You're wising up, now. Do you now understand that the Bible has allegories about people who actually existed?

It is not me that thinks there was no Adam.

Not now, you don't. But I had to explain to you why there could be a real Adam, even if God used an allegory for the creation of woman. How do we know it's an allegory? Because if He had merely cloned her from Adam, she would have been male, too. Genetically, that's how it works. And yeah, if you drag in another nonscriptural miracle anything makes sense, right?

Do you think there was the one man named Adam who was really created by God?

I just showed you that there was. Just accept it and move on.

Great, so this seems to mean you think there was a garden and a man and a woman created.

What the "garden" was, isn't clear. Might even have been a literal garden. Or it might have been figurative for our state before the Fall. But I've already shown you that there was an Adam and Eve. Let that go. If you're willing to admit that much now, why not also admit the way God created them?

 

[dad]

You're wising up, now. Do you now understand that the Bible has allegories about people who actually existed?

Right, so hopefully you are getting to some point.

Not now, you don't. But I had to explain to you why there could be a real Adam, even if God used an allegory for the creation of woman.

Are you suggesting that God did as He said and made Adam, but that Eve is fiction?!

How do we know it's an allegory? Because if He had merely cloned her from Adam, she would have been male, too. Genetically, that's how it works. And yeah, if you drag in another nonscriptural miracle anything makes sense, right?

The bible does not say He cloned Adam. It says He made woman from the rib or bone of Adam. How He did it we do not know.

What the "garden" was, isn't clear. Might even have been a literal garden. Or it might have been figurative for our state before the Fall.

Why stop there? Maybe God was figurative, the serpent also, and the trees and animals etc?

But I've already shown you that there was an Adam and Eve. Let that go.

No you have not. You seemed to suggest that Eve did not really come from the man. You suggested the garden may not reaaalllly have existed.


If you're willing to admit that much now, why not also admit the way God created them?[/QUOTE]

 

[Aman777]

Eve ate the fruit that is when she died.

False, since AFTER that, she had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and then Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually Genesis 5:1-2 and she lived 930 years after that before she died. Genesis 5:5 Are you claiming Eve was a Zombie? What are you drinking?

 

[Aman777]

The world was destroyed in may ways, but not totally.

False, Adam's firmament, which was made the 2nd Day, is gone. Of course the Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that according to 2 Peter 3:3-7 Now it makes more sense. You are an unbeliever. Admit it.

 

[Aman777]

Ha. Look up verses on foolishness, that should do er.

Again you confirm that you don't like God's Holy Word. Would you like everyone to call you and get your own personal blasphemous view?

 

[Aman777]

How do we know it's an allegory? Because if He had merely cloned her from Adam, she would have been male, too. Genetically, that's how it works.

Good one. I'll tell you in advance that I'm gonna steal it. No one seems to notice that ancient men, who some suppose wrote Genesis, knew and correctly wrote of internal operations, thousands of years before they actually took place on planet Earth. It's proof of God. God bless you

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
How do we know it's an allegory? Because if He had merely cloned her from Adam, she would have been male, too. Genetically, that's how it works.

If ancient people had understood genetics, that allegory would not have worked. But since they didn't understand x and y chromosomes, it made perfect sense to them.

Good one.

Yep. God inspired the allegory, but it was written by men who used their own experience to write it. Hence, it wasn't an error to them.

I'll tell you in advance that I'm gonna steal it. No one seems to notice that ancient men, who some suppose wrote Genesis, knew and correctly wrote of internal operations, thousands of years before they actually took place on planet Earth.

Ancient people were as smart as we are, or pretty close to as smart as we are. But no one had any idea of the way genetics actually worked until Mendel. So getting it wrong in the allegory (which really has nothing to do with the actual message) wasn't surprising. Just like the notion that a seed has to die in order to make a plant is factually wrong, but a perfect figurative description of how we must die in sin to be saved.

God didn't make parables to be factually correct; He did it to explain a truth above the actual story, as St. Paul wrote.

It's proof of God.

It's certainly a sign that He's a lot smarter than creationists think.

God bless you

And may He bless and keep you, too.

 

[The Barbarian]

Are you suggesting that God did as He said and made Adam, but that Eve is fiction?!

Remember when I showed you that an allegory could involve a real person? Put your question and that fact together, and think about it.

The bible does not say He cloned Adam.

In fact, it doesn't say how He did it. He merely affirms that Adam was created from the Earth, as the animals were. Whether that was magically done, or by evolution, He doesn't say.

It says He made woman from the rib or bone of Adam.

Which, as you learned, it allegory for the relationship between man and woman.

Why stop there? Maybe God was figurative,

Some creationists have suggested this, but it makes no sense. And the notion that if some of the Bible is figurative, it all must be, seems unrealistic to me. Jesus often spoke in parables. Do you therefore think that Jesus is a parable? C'mon.

Barbarian observes:
But I've already shown you that there was an Adam and Eve. Let that go.

No you have not.

But I have. You're merely denying the fact. It doesn't matter.

 

[dad]

False, since AFTER that, she had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and then Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually Genesis 5:1-2 and she lived 930 years after that before she died. Genesis 5:5 Are you claiming Eve was a Zombie? What are you drinking?

She was the walking dead. Her body lived on, but she was separated form God...which is death.

 

[dad]

Again you confirm that you don't like God's Holy Word. Would you like everyone to call you and get your own personal blasphemous view?

Pasting some verses out of context to prop up an insane cult bible case is not having a bible case.

As for blasphemy, quote me where you claim I did that, or beg forgiveness and recant.

 

[dad]

Remember when I showed you that an allegory could involve a real person? Put your question and that fact together, and think about it.



In fact, it doesn't say how He did it. He merely affirms that Adam was created from the Earth, as the animals were. Whether that was magically done, or by evolution, He doesn't say.

Actually it does say God formed man out of the dust of the earth, and later moved him to the garden.

Which, as you learned, it allegory for the relationship between man and woman.

I did not learn Eve was not taken from man by God actually.

Some creationists have suggested this, but it makes no sense. And the notion that if some of the Bible is figurative, it all must be, seems unrealistic to me. Jesus often spoke in parables. Do you therefore think that Jesus is a parable? C'mon.

The book of beginnings that Jesus referred to and others in the rest of the bible is a record of what happened, not a parable.

Barbarian observes:
But I've already shown you that there was an Adam and Eve. Let that go.

You do not seem to be able to clearly state your real position. The Adam and Eve of the bible are the only ones I know about. That Eve was created by God using a bone from a man He also created and put to sleep.

 

[Aman777]

She was the walking dead. Her body lived on, but she was separated form God...which is death.

False, since she was born again Spiritually and Eternally Genesis 5:1-2 AFTER Cain killed Abel. Her body died 930 years later Genesis 5:5 and today Eve is with Jesus forever. That's God's Truth Scripturally. Try again?

 

[Aman777]

Pasting some verses out of context to prop up an insane cult bible case is not having a bible case.

It's EASY to refute you Scripturally but you can't seem to post a single verse which I have posted out of context. Pretty soon, everyone will see that it's because you are an unbeliever in what is actually written.

 

[dad]

False, since she was born again Spiritually and Eternally Genesis 5:1-2 AFTER Cain killed Abel. Her body died 930 years later Genesis 5:5 and today Eve is with Jesus forever. That's God's Truth Scripturally. Try again?

I disagree. You try again. The fall was at a certain point... The disobedience of man. The murder that followed was a result.

 

[dad]

It's EASY to refute you Scripturally but you can't seem to post a single verse which I have posted out of context. Pretty soon, everyone will see that it's because you are an unbeliever in what is actually written.

I believe in God and Scripture..which is how I rubbish your crazy twisted cult like fairy stories. Are you billions of years old also..as you claim Adam was? Ha

Lurkers...do not believe a thing this false teacher posts.

 

[Aman777]

I disagree. You try again. The fall was at a certain point... The disobedience of man. The murder that followed was a result.

Would you blame every murder on Adam's sin? Such thinking is not scriptural since Adam's sin was small indeed when compare to today's sinning. Every person must take responsibility for their own sins since they will be judged on their own sins, instead of Adam's.

 

[Aman777]

I believe in God and Scripture..

Why do you ask the readers to believe your own personal opinion when you cannot support with Scripture?

which is how I rubbish your crazy twisted cult like fairy stories.

I post supporting Scripture which agrees with the discoveries of Science and History and you have failed to refute a single post. Why?

Are you billions of years old also..as you claim Adam was? Ha

No, but I will be in a few billion years in my perfect body in Heaven. My perfect body will be like Adam's body was before the fall. Don't you know that Adam was like Jesus before the fall, after which he was found in the likeness of sinful flesh? Sinful flesh has a 120 year limit on its lifespan. Gen 6:3