Are Protestants dead?

[BukiRob]

Do not recklessly inject something that is nonexistent in my post. St. Mary Magdelene made the first gesture of worship to the Lord on His Resurrection Day. The disciples gathered to worship on Sunday as indicated in Acts of the Apostles 20:7-12.

In the Orthodox Church, the Sabbath is still kept in Saturday vespers and we worship God on the day of Resurrection ( 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 ).

As I said, SO WHAT!

I showed you that in acts the WORSHIPPED DAILY at the temple. NO OF THAT shows that Sabbath was changed IT WASNT or that the Apostles stopped observing the BIBLICAL Sabbath or the BIBLICAL Feast days of Adonai.

The very idea that Saturday vespers = observing Sabbath is absurd.

 

[BukiRob]

I can very well understand your poor defense (use of offensive words prove that beyond doubt!) because you are holding on to the letter of the Law and traditions of men, instead of understanding the spirit of the Law and the directive of God! No wonder Torah got reduced to Talmud!

Oh my gosh... you are citing TRADITIONS of man (Changing Sabbath to Sunday) Or Choosing your own day.

Scripture makes it clear that Sabbath always has been, always will be SATURDAY and it is NOT in the Talmud it is in SCRIPTURE!

 

[Lukaris]

This has not been found in many old manuscripts leading to a conclusion that it could be a later insertion. Furthermore, Luke was not a witness during the Last Supper.

Scripture that disputes you is an insertion; very convenient.

Otherwise you speak Biblical truth....interesting.

 

[BukiRob]

Scripture that disputes you is an insertion; very convenient.

Otherwise you speak Biblical truth....interesting.

You have completely and utterly FAILED to show where scripture indicates that Sunday is now the day of Sabbath. YOu have failed to refute that since the days of Moses, that Saturday is NOT Sabbath.

It is quite funny that in your mind you think otherwise

 

[Righttruth]

Oh my gosh... you are citing TRADITIONS of man (Changing Sabbath to Sunday) Or Choosing your own day.

Scripture makes it clear that Sabbath always has been, always will be SATURDAY and it is NOT in the Talmud it is in SCRIPTURE!

Let us talk of God's command first , not men's subsequent writings

 

[Righttruth]

Scripture that disputes you is an insertion; very convenient.

Otherwise you speak Biblical truth....interesting.

Why do you think the Gospel was written in four books?

 

[BukiRob]

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[Lukaris]

You have completely and utterly FAILED to show where scripture indicates that Sunday is now the day of Sabbath. YOu have failed to refute that since the days of Moses, that Saturday is NOT Sabbath.

It is quite funny that in your mind you think otherwise

You keep saying that Christians are to worship on the Sabbath Day. I have not said that Saturday is not the Sabbath Day. What I have said is that we worship the Lord on the Day of Resurrection which is Sunday also the Day of Pentecost ( Acts of the Apostles 2 ). Sunday became the day of worship and was becoming that day as indicated in Acts of the Apostles 20:7. The worship of the risen Lord occurred after the end of the Sabbath ( Matthew 28:1 ) as indicated in Matthew 28:9 & Matthew 28:17. These were not trivial matters and some had doubts as indicated in Matthew 28:17.

Apparently you have much stock in laying claim to your authority in the Sabbath Day but St, Paul seems to indicate otherwise ( Romans 14:5-6 ).

You apparently believe circumcision is still mandatory also.

The Gospel says that the law & prophets are love of God and neighbor ( Matthew 22:36-40 ). We are to treat others as we would want to be ( Matthew 7:12, Matthew 7:1-12). The Lord said to keep His commandments ( Matthew 19:16-19 as preached also by St. Paul in Romans 13:8-10 ). This is how the Lord expects us to abide in Him ( John 15:1-10 ). These are what the Apostles wanted for the Gentiles in Acts 15. Not complicated to understand but definitely a major commitment in faith.

 

[W2L]

The Church met daily.

Romans 14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You have completely and utterly FAILED to show where scripture indicates that Sunday is now the day of Sabbath. YOu have failed to refute that since the days of Moses, that Saturday is NOT Sabbath.

It is quite funny that in your mind you think otherwise

If you keep the 10 commandments what about the other 603 commandments of God? Do you keep those also?

 

[BukiRob]

You keep saying that Christians are to worship on the Sabbath Day. I have not said that Saturday is not the Sabbath Day. What I have said is that we worship the Lord on the Day of Resurrection which is Sunday also the Day of Pentecost ( Acts of the Apostles 2 ). Sunday became the day of worship and was becoming that day as indicated in Acts of the Apostles 20:7. The worship of the risen Lord occurred after the end of the Sabbath ( Matthew 28:1 ) as indicated in Matthew 28:9 & Matthew 28:17. These were not trivial matters and some had doubts as indicated in Matthew 28:17.

Apparently you have much stock in laying claim to your authority in the Sabbath Day but St, Paul seems to indicate otherwise ( Romans 14:5-6 ).

You apparently believe circumcision is still mandatory also.

The Gospel says that the law & prophets are love of God and neighbor ( Matthew 22:36-40 ). We are to treat others as we would want to be ( Matthew 7:12, Matthew 7:1-12). The Lord said to keep His commandments ( Matthew 19:16-19 as preached also by St. Paul in Romans 13:8-10 ). This is how the Lord expects us to abide in Him ( John 15:1-10 ). These are what the Apostles wanted for the Gentiles in Acts 15. Not complicated to understand but definitely a major commitment in faith.

I find it ironic that you seem to be able to read minds.

I have NEVER said you have to be circumcised and it is completely inappropriate for you to suggest otherwise.


Acts 20 has NOTHING whatsoever to do with establishing some new day for worship and it is absurd for you to even suggest otherwise.

You completely ignore the fact that the Apostles DAILY were worshiping... NONE of that has ANYTHING whatsoever with the cessation of Sabbath.

Acts 15 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your grandiose misreading of what is going in.

You skip right past what Acts 15:1 CLEARLY states what the debate is about...

WHO CAN BE SAVE!

The ruling by James concerning the Gentiles in the 4 things to abstain from are ALL dealing with IDOLATRY and if you had any understanding of the practices of pagan temple worship you would know this. What does Acts 15:21 NOT exist in your bible? Or do you just simply ignore it?

 

[BukiRob]

If you keep the 10 commandments what about the other 603 commandments of God? Do you keep those also?

Nope and got news for you... NEITHER did Yeshua.

Your lack of understanding is very evident. Some of the 613 cannot be kept by men because they pertain to women. Some cannot be kept because we are not in the land. Daniel couldn't keep many of them while in captivity in Babylon...

Your poorly schemed attempt at a trap is pathetically transparent.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Nope and got news for you... NEITHER did Yeshua.

Your lack of understanding is very evident. Some of the 613 cannot be kept by men because they pertain to women. Some cannot be kept because we are not in the land. Daniel couldn't keep many of them while in captivity in Babylon...

Your poorly schemed attempt at a trap is pathetically transparent.

So what about the commandments you can keep?

 

[Righttruth]

Scripture that disputes you is an insertion; very convenient.

Otherwise you speak Biblical truth....interesting.

Truth got to be sought for from all quarters.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Answer to the OP: NO! Why do you ask?
Is any denomination dead?
If so, how?

 

[Lukaris]

I find it ironic that you seem to be able to read minds.

I have NEVER said you have to be circumcised and it is completely inappropriate for you to suggest otherwise.


Acts 20 has NOTHING whatsoever to do with establishing some new day for worship and it is absurd for you to even suggest otherwise.

You completely ignore the fact that the Apostles DAILY were worshiping... NONE of that has ANYTHING whatsoever with the cessation of Sabbath.

Acts 15 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your grandiose misreading of what is going in.

You skip right past what Acts 15:1 CLEARLY states what the debate is about...

WHO CAN BE SAVE!

The ruling by James concerning the Gentiles in the 4 things to abstain from are ALL dealing with IDOLATRY and if you had any understanding of the practices of pagan temple worship you would know this. What does Acts 15:21 NOT exist in your bible? Or do you just simply ignore it?

Ok about the circumcision, but I am positive I raised the issue & did not see your response. That was a big issue re keeping the Law and all I saw was emphasis on The Torah especially in Acts 15. The 4 prohibitions in Acts 15 should be understood by all Christians. You earlier basically accused me of putting St. Mary Magdalene above God so I think I will be polite and say our misunderstandings are mutual.

You insist on the Sabbath Day for worship; your ace in the hole. You keep saying “so what” yet we understand 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 as the pattern of tithing in Sunday worship and Hebrews 4 as pointing to worship of the Lord by His resurrection (& ascension) especially in relation to Acts of the Apostles 1:5 and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts of the Apostles 2. Also note that the passages in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 immediacy follow St. Paul’s preaching on the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

 

[BukiRob]

Ok about the circumcision, but I am positive I raised the issue & did not see your response. That was a big issue re keeping the Law and all I saw was emphasis on The Torah especially in Acts 15. The 4 prohibitions in Acts 15 should be understood by all Christians. You earlier basically accused me of putting St. Mary Magdalene above God so I think I will be polite and say our misunderstandings are mutual.

You insist on the Sabbath Day for worship; your ace in the hole. You keep saying “so what” yet we understand 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 as the pattern of tithing in Sunday worship and Hebrews 4 as pointing to worship of the Lord by His resurrection (& ascension) especially in relation to Acts of the Apostles 1:5 and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts of the Apostles 2. Also note that the passages in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 immediacy follow St. Paul’s preaching on the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

You STILL do not get it. I can understand though because you do not see things from a Jewish perspective this creates confusion in understanding at times what you see in scripture. It is imperative that you understand that the writers were observant Jews. They were NOT Christians they were JEWS who accepted the reality that Yeshua was the Messiah.

Circumcision in Acts 15 is a REQUIREMENT of any male Goy (of the nations) to become a proselytized Jew.

Secondly, Sabbath is not JUST a day of worship. Sabbath is a day that G-d set aside and called it HOLY and CONSECRATED IT. HIM not you, not I but G-D himself

Gen 2:3So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

It is unique among all the other days and you and I can not decide what day is Sabbath because G-d has spoken on the matter.

Worshiping on Mon-Sun is perfectly fine. Not a thing wrong with it at all... in fact, I have stated that the Apostles did so DAILY. But that in no way changes abridges or removes Sabbath.

 

[redleghunter]

Don Watson
Grace through Faith removes the difficulty. Thanks for your post!

You still posting here brother?

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

If I understand what you're saying here, it's dead wrong.
The Eucharist is absolutely, 100%, the central focus of the Catholic Church. Period.

As I understand it, there are seven sacraments, not just one. There is also lots of emphasis on ecclesiastics (clericalism, the rule of priests, vestments, etc.) and of course, on Mary-- all of which separate the RCC from Reformed believers.

Protestants have the 'sacraments' (although not all use that term) of Baptism and Holy Communion, and much emphasis on studying the Holy Scriptures, personal relationship with Christ, evangelism (the Great Commission in Matthew 28), congregational worship, and personal prayer.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

You STILL do not get it. I can understand though because you do not see things from a Jewish perspective this creates confusion in understanding at times what you see in scripture. It is imperative that you understand that the writers were observant Jews. They were NOT Christians they were JEWS who accepted the reality that Yeshua was the Messiah.

Circumcision in Acts 15 is a REQUIREMENT of any male Goy (of the nations) to become a proselytized Jew.

Secondly, Sabbath is not JUST a day of worship. Sabbath is a day that G-d set aside and called it HOLY and CONSECRATED IT. HIM not you, not I but G-D himself

Gen 2:3So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

It is unique among all the other days and you and I can not decide what day is Sabbath because G-d has spoken on the matter.

Worshiping on Mon-Sun is perfectly fine. Not a thing wrong with it at all... in fact, I have stated that the Apostles did so DAILY. But that in no way changes abridges or removes Sabbath.

Not only Acts 15, which eliminated the Jewish ceremonial requirements for Gentile Christians, but we also hear from Paul in Romans 14:4-6 (I encourage all to read the entire chapter): "Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord."

Historically, in everywhere but Israel, the early Church quickly moved to gathering for worship on the first day of the week (Resurrection Sunday) and eventually the "weekend" (both Saturday and Sunday) became days of rest and/or worship. Are you saying that the Church (now essentially Gentile believers) was wrong in doing this? Since Jesus (the King of kings and Lord of the Sabbath) came, died for us on Good Friday, was Resurrected on following Sunday, and began the Kingdom of God on earth, are not all days now equally Sabbatical and holy?