SDA

[mmksparbud]

The law is within you, it is not a law anymore written in ink. It is in your heart and mind. And I can assure you, that witness, the law in your heart and mind is of far greater conviction than reading what is written in ink to know what sin is. And, because it is there, your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. That verse does not read as: perform perfect and your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more
Repentance? How can you do anything other than say sorry to God when you go against how you in your heart want to live and know you should live.

Yes--but it's nice to not have wait around for a burning bosom--you have it both in ink and in your heart--double confirmation! And whether or not it is on stone, on paper in ink, or in your heart--it is the same law, under the same throne of God--eternal and everlasting. There are those that only respond to a burning bosom, a feeling, feelings can be numbed and manipulated--by Satan, others and ourselves. Feelings are not needed when God went through sooooo much trouble to get His word written down in ink through all those years when there was no ink and there truly and really was only a burning bosom to lead you. People died to get Hs word to us, His truth. If God did not feel the printed word was needed, He wouldn't have had people die to get it to us. They were led by the Holy Spirit to get it to us. With reading also came a complacency about what was in the word. Satan has many distractions with the written word. We also have visual now, and Satan has muddied those waters also. This is a world of constant information and a plain "it is written" is often all that is needed. We are too easily led astray with feelings only.

 

[mmksparbud]

If you hold the law to the pristine level it is set at, and are not ignorant of what that law demands, it stays dead for far less time than you may imagine.
Do you know, how close to Catholicism you are concerning this subject?

LOL! First time I've been accused of that! Close--but no cigar. And you forget---we all came from Catholicism!--every denomination. SDA's were formed from a group of Methodists, Lutherans and Baptists and every other denomination---all those sheep came together and formed us--and they are still coming to us--call us sheep stealers all you want--that is one crime that we need not ask forgiveness for!

 

[stephen pollard]

Yes--but it's nice to not have wait around for a burning bosom--you have it both in ink and in your heart--double confirmation! And whether or not it is on stone, on paper in ink, or in your heart--it is the same law, under the same throne of God--eternal and everlasting. There are those that only respond to a burning bosom, a feeling, feelings can be numbed and manipulated--by Satan, others and ourselves. Feelings are not needed when God went through sooooo much trouble to get His word written down in ink through all those years when there was no ink and there truly and really was only a burning bosom to lead you. People died to get Hs word to us, His truth. If God did not feel the printed word was needed, He wouldn't have had people die to get it to us. They were led by the Holy Spirit to get it to us. With reading also came a complacency about what was in the word. Satan has many distractions with the written word. We also have visual now, and Satan has muddied those waters also. This is a world of constant information and a plain "it is written" is often all that is needed. We are too easily led astray with feelings only.

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

 

[stephen pollard]

Yes--but it's nice to not have wait around for a burning bosom--you have it both in ink and in your heart--double confirmation! And whether or not it is on stone, on paper in ink, or in your heart--it is the same law, under the same throne of God--eternal and everlasting. There are those that only respond to a burning bosom, a feeling, feelings can be numbed and manipulated--by Satan, others and ourselves. Feelings are not needed when God went through sooooo much trouble to get His word written down in ink through all those years when there was no ink and there truly and really was only a burning bosom to lead you. People died to get Hs word to us, His truth. If God did not feel the printed word was needed, He wouldn't have had people die to get it to us. They were led by the Holy Spirit to get it to us. With reading also came a complacency about what was in the word. Satan has many distractions with the written word. We also have visual now, and Satan has muddied those waters also. This is a world of constant information and a plain "it is written" is often all that is needed. We are too easily led astray with feelings only.

Maybe I should not repeat this, for you are a nice sda person However, it is impossible for you to understand the difference here. I have witnessed those who look to what is written in ink to know what sin is, and say they follow it. It truly is a different world. That is why there can be no agreement here(not discussing the fourth commandment here) For those people can commit sin, either with no consciousness of doing so(including what is written in the Ten Commandments) and turn up at church each week, enthusiastically joining in the service, when they are committing sin, which if I committed, I could not myself then turn up at church and enthusiastically join in the service
Two different worlds

 

[stephen pollard]

Yes it dies--however--sin is a stubborn animal--it doesn't always stay dead and that is the only creature that Satan can routinely resurrect!! One day, he'll get his!

You do not believe Christians only commit unknown sin do you? You could be a big help to others in your denomination. Including, letting them know that when the bible speaks of ''dying to sin'' this does not mean we will no longer commit any known sin. For you cannot repent of what you do not know is sin, can you

 

[mmksparbud]

Maybe I should not repeat this, for you are a nice sda personWe need all the helo we can get--0in t However, it is impossible for you to understand the difference here. I have witnessed those who look to what is written in ink to know what sin is, and say they follow it. It truly is a different world. That is why there can be no agreement here(not discussing the fourth commandment here) For those people can commit sin, either with no consciousness of doing so(including what is written in the Ten Commandments) and turn up at church each week, enthusiastically joining in the service, when they are committing sin, which if I committed, I could not myself then turn up at church and enthusiastically join in the service
Two different worlds

It works the same whether it is written in the heart or you read it---there are many who go to church, praise the Lord, and turn around and go home and beat their wives and children, get drunk, and everything else all the while claiming they are saved and totally led by the spirit---they are right---it's a matter of what spirit is leading! Satan is much too clever today. What is wrong with both? You see it, the Spirit says yes----led by both---double the power! We need all the help we can get---"as in the days of Noah" --we are there and we need to get into that boat--God help me for I tend to get seasick!

 

[mmksparbud]

You do not believe Christians only commit unknown sin do you? You could be a big help to others in your denomination. Including, letting them know that when the bible speaks of ''dying to sin'' this does not mean we will no longer commit any known sin. For you cannot repent of what you do not know is sin, can you

None of us do---but there is such a thing and even God recognized it and made provisions for it in the old testament--Sometimes our walk to sanctification takes many turns and takes a while. we are often loath to give up what we love and feel comfortable with. It has often taken God a 2X4n upside the head to get my attention on something that needed to change!
Heb_12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Sometimes I have felt the love of God too strongly! This journey can be painful!

 

[stephen pollard]

It works the same whether it is written in the heart or you read it---

I can assure you it does not.
The Israelites in the OT could read the written law, but that did not mean in their hearts they wanted to obey it did it? I can read the laws of my country, but that does not mean in my heart I want to obey them all. I disagree with some of my countries laws on biblical grounds.
But what is in your heart, you in your heart must want to follow. That is why your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. I have seen the difference between those who rely on what is written in ink to be convicted of sin, and those who rely on an inner witness. I can give you examples from this website of those who rely on what is written in ink
Christians do not commit any known sin, only unknown
You are only not under the condemnation of the law if you do not break the law
To be in a justified state is dependant on not breaking the law/committing sin. etc

If these people understood what the letter of the law demands, if they had the conviction of sin they should have, they would not be preaching: perform perfect to remain in a saved state, for they would understand the reality of their lives was far from that. Therefore, it is either not being convicted of sin as you should be, or it is outright hypocrisy

 

[stephen pollard]

None of us do---but there is such a thing and even God recognized it and made provisions for it in the old testament--Sometimes our walk to sanctification takes many turns and takes a while. we are often loath to give up what we love and feel comfortable with. It has often taken God a 2X4n upside the head to get my attention on something that needed to change!
Heb_12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Sometimes I have felt the love of God too strongly! This journey can be painful!

Preach to your own members, they need it!

 

[mmksparbud]

Preach to your own members, they need it!

??? But I haven't said anything different from them!!!

 

[stephen pollard]

It works the same whether it is written in the heart or you read it---there are many who go to church, praise the Lord, and turn around and go home and beat their wives and children, get drunk, and everything else all the while claiming they are saved and totally led by the spirit---they are right---it's a matter of what spirit is leading! Satan is much too clever today. What is wrong with both? You see it, the Spirit says yes----led by both---double the power! We need all the help we can get---"as in the days of Noah" --we are there and we need to get into that boat--God help me for I tend to get seasick!

Here's the thing. I would not claim churches are full of sinless people, and some of the examples you gave obviously go on in some churches. But in the ones I have been to it has not been quite so severe.
However, I have never witnessed, in any church I chose to be a member of someone heartily joining in the service whilst at the same time having many affairs. Of course, they did insist you must obey the Ten Commandments if you want to get to Heaven

 

[stephen pollard]

??? But I haven't said anything different from them!!!

Forgive me, you believe christians can only commit unknown sin?

 

[mmksparbud]

Here's the thing. I would not claim churches are full of sinless people, and some of the examples you gave obviously go on in some churches. But in the ones I have been to it has not been quite so severe.
However, I have never witnessed, in any church I chose to be a member of someone heartily joining in the service whilst at the same time having many affairs. Of course, they did insist you must obey the Ten Commandments if you want to get to Heaven

Some of those very public, highly paid tv evangelists did just that.

 

[mmksparbud]

Forgive me, you believe christians can only commit unknown sin?

Never said that--read me again! I said it CAN happen.

 

[stephen pollard]

Some of those very public, highly paid tv evangelists did just that.

I've never been a member of their churches

 

[stephen pollard]

Never said that--read me again! I said it CAN happen.

Good, so if you believe Christians do commit known sin, you would be a good witness to others in your denomination

 

[mmksparbud]

Good, so if you believe Christians do commit known sin, you would be a good witness to others in your denomination

I don't know of anyone who believes Christians don't commit known sins! Those are the only ones they can commit! Christians can commit unknown sins because they have not understood everything yet, or are numbing their own consciences because they do not want to give up something---or someone. Sometimes we slowly backslide---you know the old frog in a pot story---put a frog in a pot of cold water then slowly turn the heat up---they'll be boiled before they realize what is happening. Most Christians realize what is happening when they get to the scalded stage.

 

[stephen pollard]

I don't know of anyone who believes Christians don't commit known sins! Those are the only ones they can commit! Christians can commit unknown sins because they have not understood everything yet, or are numbing their own consciences because they do not want to give up something---or someone. Sometimes we slowly backslide---you know the old frog in a pot story---put a frog in a pot of cold water then slowly turn the heat up---they'll be boiled before they realize what is happening. Most Christians realize what is happening when they get to the scalded stage.

You need to read more posts of sda members. Some who go to church commit unknown sins concerning what is written in the Ten Commandments. I have only ever been to one church denomination where people took the Lords name in vain, laughing as they did so. I don't see how the reason for that can be, they don't understand everything yet, as it was constantly stated you must obey the Ten Commandments at their church. Only reason I can see is, they relied on reading what is written in ink to understand, as I keep telling you, the more reliable witness comes from within

 

[stephen pollard]

I don't know of anyone who believes Christians don't commit known sins! Those are the only ones they can commit! Christians can commit unknown sins because they have not understood everything yet, or are numbing their own consciences because they do not want to give up something---or someone..

Have I understood you correctly? Christians can only commit known sins. And they may commit unknown sins because they are numbing their own consciences as they do not want to give something or someone up. So if a Christian numbs their conscience, and then commits an unknown sin because of it, they have not committed sin

 

[stephen pollard]

When it really comes down to it, who are the people who most excuse sin?