Kavanaugh does not belong on Supreme Court, says retired justice Stevens

[Chesterton]

Well John Paul Stevens, a conservative Supreme Court Justice who was on that bench longer than any other justice still alive, was able to see how how unglued he acted & called him out for that. Thousands of law professors did as well, including ones who'd supported Gorsuch's nomination.

Where'd you get that Stevens is a conservative?

 

[Go Braves]

Where'd you get that Stevens is a conservative?

His record. Actually, John Paul Stevens Is a Conservative

 

[Ringo84]

Why do you say a slip? My only post in this thread was to mention he called it an acting performance. Maybe he thought he was watching a TV drama.

Maybe I thought that you accidentally slipped by admitting that you thought Kav was putting on a performance.

Evidence to prove a negative? To prove his innocence? lol, we've already discussed your strange un-American views.

Yes, I know. When all else fails, claim that your opponent is """"unamerican"""". Meanwhile, Kav is a proven liar several times over and his supporters are so defensive that they have to resort to saying that a former Supreme Court judge is "senile".
Ringo

 

[Chesterton]

His record. Actually, John Paul Stevens Is a Conservative

Then why did Newsweek start the sentence with "Actually"? Wouldn't start the sentence that way if they were talking about Ronald Reagan.

 

[Chesterton]

Yes, I know. When all else fails, claim that your opponent is """"unamerican"""".

What failed? It's just what your views are. If your views were a banana I'd call them a banana.

Meanwhile, Kav is a proven liar several times over and his supporters are so defensive that they have to resort to saying that a former Supreme Court judge is "senile".
Ringo

What has been proven to be lies? I'd really like to know because you're the third person I've asked, and the first two never answered.

 

[Ringo84]

What failed? It's just what your views are. If your views were a banana I'd call them a banana.

What has been proven to be lies? I'd really like to know because you're the third person I've asked, and the first two never answered.

Lied about the drinking age in Maryland
Analysis | Here’s where Kavanaugh’s sworn testimony was misleading or wrong
As a teen, Kavanaugh was never a legal drinker in Maryland

Probably lied in regards to his knowledge of Alex Kosinski's sexual assault (a man he knew for over two decades)
Brett Kavanaugh Shows You Don’t Have to Be a Sexual Harasser to Perpetuate a System of Abuse

The Post has helpfully compiled a list of all Kav's misleading statements
Analysis | Here’s where Kavanaugh’s sworn testimony was misleading or wrong

Kavanaugh himself said that "False exculpatory statements are evidence – often strong evidence – of guilt"
Brett Kavanaugh Should Not Be Believed by the Legal Standards of Judge Kavanaugh
Ringo

 

[Richard T]

His record. Actually, John Paul Stevens Is a Conservative

His record is very liberal as shown in this wiki profile John Paul Stevens - Wikipedia
"But on the more conservative Rehnquist Court, Stevens joined the more liberal Justices on issues such as abortion rights, gay rights and federalism. His Segal–Cover score, a measure of the perceived liberalism/conservatism of Court members when they joined the Court, places him squarely on the conservative side of the Court.[28] However, a 2003 statistical analysis of Supreme Court voting patterns found Stevens the most liberal member of the Court."

 

[Go Braves]

His record is very liberal as shown in this wiki profile John Paul Stevens - Wikipedia
"But on the more conservative Rehnquist Court, Stevens joined the more liberal Justices on issues such as abortion rights, gay rights and federalism. His Segal–Cover score, a measure of the perceived liberalism/conservatism of Court members when they joined the Court, places him squarely on the conservative side of the Court.[28] However, a 2003 statistical analysis of Supreme Court voting patterns found Stevens the most liberal member of the Court."

As noted in your cut & paste, his score put him squarely on the conservative side of the Court. Now sure, what's liberal & conservative has evolved over the course of time. So in the context of "the more conservative Rehnquist Court" he was more liberal. In the context of other courts, he was more conservative. AAR, as noted on that Wiki link you gave he's listed as Republican & he was appointed by the Republican Nixon.

He's the longest serving Justice still alive so respect is due for that depth of experience.

 

[Go Braves]

Then why did Newsweek start the sentence with "Actually"? Wouldn't start the sentence that way if they were talking about Ronald Reagan.

On account of what I just wrote about how what's conservative & liberal have evolved over time. Actually, this is what Reagan said:

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

But you could have always just, you know, read the Newsweek article to figure that out for yourself.

 

[Chesterton]

On account of what I just wrote about how what's conservative & liberal have evolved over time.

I saw that, and you mentioned that he was appointed by Nixon, who imposed wage and price controls and established the EPA. You'd have to be clueless about conservatism and liberalism to think Nixon was a conservative.

Actually, this is what Reagan said:

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”


But you could have always just, you know, read the Newsweek article to figure that out for yourself.

I don't need Newsweek to figure anything out.

 

[Go Braves]

I saw that, and you mentioned that he was appointed by Nixon, who imposed wage and price controls and established the EPA. You'd have to be clueless about conservatism and liberalism to think Nixon was a conservative.

Once again, conservative & liberal have evolved over time. Once again, Nixon was a Republican. I didn't say he was a conservative, though, I pointed out that fact.

I don't need Newsweek to figure anything out.

Actually from reading your posts it sure does sound like you do. I'll keep the link up for you.

 

[Chesterton]

Lied about the drinking age in Maryland
Analysis | Here’s where Kavanaugh’s sworn testimony was misleading or wrong

Kavanaugh said: "The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school..."

Your WAPO article says: "The drinking age in Maryland was 18 when Kavanaugh was a freshman, sophomore and junior in high school..."

They're saying the same thing, so where's the lie?

As a teen, Kavanaugh was never a legal drinker in Maryland

Maybe, maybe not. What's your point?

Probably lied in regards to his knowledge of Alex Kosinski's sexual assault (a man he knew for over two decades)
Brett Kavanaugh Shows You Don’t Have to Be a Sexual Harasser to Perpetuate a System of Abuse

I can ignore this because I asked about your claim of "proven lies", not what Ringo thinks is probable, especially in regard to something as irrelevant as this.

The Post has helpfully compiled a list of all Kav's misleading statements
Analysis | Here’s where Kavanaugh’s sworn testimony was misleading or wrong

That's the same garbage spin article you posted above. Just tell me what the proven lies are.

Kavanaugh himself said that "False exculpatory statements are evidence – often strong evidence – of guilt"
Brett Kavanaugh Should Not Be Believed by the Legal Standards of Judge Kavanaugh
Ringo

There's nothing in this article but accusations. I read all the pointless biased opinion you linked to. Please don't waste my time with more articles.

 

[Chesterton]

Once again, conservative & liberal have evolved over time.

This isn't the history forum.

 

[Ringo84]

Kavanaugh said: "The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school..."

Your WAPO article says: "The drinking age in Maryland was 18 when Kavanaugh was a freshman, sophomore and junior in high school..."

They're saying the same thing, so where's the lie?

If he was drinking as a senior and the legal drinking age was changed to 21, then he was drinking illegally.

Or do I need to post LaTeX notations to explain math to you?

Maybe, maybe not. What's your point?

The point is that he said that the drinking age was 18. It wasn't.

I can ignore this because I asked about your claim of "proven lies", not what Ringo thinks is probable, especially in regard to something as irrelevant as this.

In other words: "this doesn't fit my preconceived notions, so I'll ignore it and call it 'what Ringo thinks is probable'". Kav is close to someone for 25+ years and doesn't know about their sexual abuse.

That's the same garbage spin article you posted above. Just tell me what the proven lies are.

This is where reading comprehension enters the picture. One has to stop whirling around in circles yelling about """spin""" and actually read articles to get answers to their questions. Hope this helps!

[/quote]There's nothing in this article but accusations. I read all the pointless biased opinion you linked to. Please don't waste my time with more articles.[/QUOTE]

In other words: "my mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!"
Ringo

 

[Chesterton]

The point is that he said that the drinking age was 18. It wasn't.

According to the material you cited to me, it was. You've got nothing. Apparently you were either lying or just really confused when you said there were proven lies.

 

[Ringo84]

According to the material you cited to me, it was. You've got nothing. Apparently you were either lying or just really confused when you said there were proven lies.

It said that the legal drinking age was changed in Maryland when he was 17, which is not "most of the time he was in high school", and also means that he was not drinking legally when he drank in high school.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has readily acknowledged that he often drank beer during his prep school days and made a point in his congressional testimony that seniors could buy beer legally in Maryland at the age of 18.

But Kavanaugh was never a legal drinker in that state when he was a high schooler — he was still 17 when that state’s drinking age was increased to 21 on July 1, 1982. Anyone who turned 18 after that date, including Kavanaugh’s classmates, also would have been unable to drink legally in the state.

The law was different in the District of Columbia. There, until 1986, 18-year-olds could legally buy and consume beer. That means Kavanaugh was legal there for only the final four months of his senior year at Georgetown Prep, following his Feb. 12, 1983 birthday.

Source: As a teen, Kavanaugh was never a legal drinker in Maryland

You know, I'm someone who has always struggled with math. I practically have to undress to count to 21.

Still, it doesn't take a PhD in applied math to figure out that "final four months of his senior year at Georgetown Prep" is not the same as "most of my high school".
Ringo

 

[USincognito]

Source: As a teen, Kavanaugh was never a legal drinker in Maryland

You know, I'm someone who has always struggled with math. I practically have to undress to count to 21.

Still, it doesn't take a PhD in applied math to figure out that "final four months of his senior year at Georgetown Prep" is not the same as "most of my high school".
Ringo

Looks like we've got a proven lie right there.

 

[Chesterton]

It said that the legal drinking age was changed in Maryland when he was 17, which is not "most of the time he was in high school", and also means that he was not drinking legally when he drank in high school.
Ringo

You don't need to tell me what it said. I'll copy and paste the article's exact words:

"The drinking age in Maryland was 18 when Kavanaugh was a freshman, sophomore and junior in high school"
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3 out of 4 years is "most of the time".

 

[Rion]

Is there any historical precedent of former justices speaking against nominees for the court?

Stevens is a bit odd these days. Earlier this year he called for the banning of guns.