Why would a believer not get baptized?

[Dave-W]

Teachers are listed in Eph 4 as a ministry gift to the Body. Any time one of the ministry gifts is not doing their job; pastors, evangelists, teachers; or even apostles and prophets (if you believe those are still valid), it is a BIG problem.

 

[RaymondG]

Teachers are listed in Eph 4 as a ministry gift to the Body. Any time one of the ministry gifts is not doing their job; pastors, evangelists, teachers; or even apostles and prophets (if you believe those are still valid), it is a BIG problem.

So why ask me what is wrong with teachers, when only you expressed problems with them? I only imply that the holy spirit can teach, therefore, another teacher not giving a message, shouldnt be a big issue....

 

[Jon Osterman]

I suggest you look up a youtube video by Derek Prince on water baptism. You may change your mind.

I don't think so. In fact, I think getting baptised now would be a rejection of God. I have been saved for many many years without being baptised, and to suggest I was somehow lesser in that state is to deny God's power over my soul. It is simply a different tradition. Actually, my wife is in exactly the same position and has also expressed this feeling that to be baptised now would be morally wrong.

 

[Dave-W]

So why ask me what is wrong with teachers, when only you expressed problems with them? I only imply that the holy spirit can teach, therefore, another teacher not giving a message, shouldnt be a big issue....

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. I took it to mean that we should not have teachers period.

 

[Acts2:38]

I've seen the question here time and again asking if baptism is necessary for salvation.

Aside from that, why would someone not want to get baptized?

2 Timothy 4:3-4, straight up. This would be a reason why.

 

[RaymondG]

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. I took it to mean that we should not have teachers period.

No, I like them.....I believe they are especially good for delivering the milk to those that require it. But milk can only sustain but for a time.... I believe to find life you must go deeper into a place where only the spirit can guide you.

 

[RaymondG]

2 Timothy 4:3-4, straight up. This would be a reason why.

This does not mean the doctrine is sound. Everyone who has any interpretation of scripture can and do use this verse to explain why the other doesnt believe them......

 

[Acts2:38]

This does not mean the doctrine is sound. Everyone who has any interpretation of scripture can and do use this verse to explain why the other doesnt believe them......

I understand that, however, scripture doesn't change and it has no alternate paths for people to take, it is the people that mess it up. Their interpretations from their strong desires mess things up. And then whats worse, is they teach their mess up to others.

The bible is quite clear on baptism. There should be NO mistaking this subject.

 

[Albion]

I have never been "baptized", though I was "christened" as a baby. This was entirely normal procedure for my family's church. The church I attend now does baptize adults, but I have never felt the need, and there has never been any pressure to.

Customarily, a Christening IS a Baptism. It is just a colloquialism to call it a Christening.

If the church happens to be one that opposes the baptism of infants, there is often a ceremony that is called a Dedication which is not a sacrament or substitute for Baptism. Of course, I don't know for certain what the case was in the church of your youth.

 

[Dave-W]

No, I like them.....I believe they are especially good for delivering the milk to those that require it. But milk can only sustain but for a time.... I believe to find life you must go deeper into a place where only the spirit can guide you.

So you don't think teachers should be teaching meat?

 

[Dave-W]

2 Timothy 4:3-4, straight up. This would be a reason why.

Are you saying that getting baptized is NOT sound doctrine?

Our Lord commanded it.

 

[RaymondG]

I understand that, however, scripture doesn't change and it has no alternate paths for people to take, it is the people that mess it up. Their interpretations from their strong desires mess things up. And then whats worse, is they teach their mess up to others.

The bible is quite clear on baptism. There should be NO mistaking this subject.

So you find the subject clear, when a master of the law/scripture needed to ask Jesus to clarify...... This could be the same thought process that the ones who believe the opposite of you, have. It is clear to them, therefore everyone else is messed up.

And as long as it remains clear to all, the truth will elude us.

 

[Dave-W]

The bible is quite clear on baptism. There should be NO mistaking this subject.

OK - can you name the 7 different baptisms in the NT?
What are their purposes?

 

[RaymondG]

So you don't think teachers should be teaching meat?

Im not sure that they can...without getting crucified. Not sure how many have tasted meat and are not blind.....as only God knows the contents of the stomach.

 

[Dave-W]

Im not sure that they can...without getting crucified. Not sure how many have tasted meat and are not blind.....as only God knows the contents of the stomach.

Not everyone can go to seminary and be versant in Hebrew and Greek. Or learn the nuances of the culture when the various books were being written.

We need teachers to train the congregations in those things and to teach them NOT to get hung up on how any particular translation is worded. Look to the original sources.

 

[Dave-W]

Im not sure that they can...without getting crucified.

OK - can you name the 7 different baptisms in the NT?
What are their purposes?

OK Raymond. You counted this post as "Useful." Can you name the 7 baptisms? I have not done so yet. (not here at least)

 

[Acts2:38]

Are you saying that getting baptized is NOT sound doctrine?

Our Lord commanded it.

No, I would say it is necessary for our salvation, according to scripture.

OK - can you name the 7 different baptisms in the NT?
What are their purposes?

Sir, the only one that matters for our salvation is to be immersed in water, buried, to come up a new creature, and be in Christ by our obedience to His gospel commands.

Anything else is irrelevant, ie, Holy Spirit baptism like Acts 2 and Acts 10, just does not happen anymore, only happened twice, and has not happened since. Cornelius STILL had to be baptized in water.

So you find the subject clear, when a master of the law/scripture needed to ask Jesus to clarify...... This could be the same thought process that the ones who believe the opposite of you, have. It is clear to them, therefore everyone else is messed up.

And as long as it remains clear to all, the truth will elude us.

And this is where people stumble. "Oh look, he has a PHD, surely he knows more". The pharisees knew a lot I am sure. They knew the old testament front to back. Yet they STILL could not fathom Christ and the disciples.

Yes, the subject is quite clear.

Jesus commanded it = Mark 16:16
It is how we make disciples = Matthew 28:19-20
It is for the remission of sins AND to receive the holy spirit = Acts 2:38
It is so we can put on Christ = Galatians 3:27
It is so we can be born into the kingdom = John 3:3 and 5
It is so we can have spiritual blessings if we are IN Christ = Ephesians 1:3 (refer Gal 3:27)
It is to obey the gospel = see first 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 then look at Romans 6:3-5

So if one loves Christ, they will obey this John 14:15 and John 15:14

Yes, maybe the PHD "master of law etc" needs to rethink his flawed doctrine because he is teaching you and others like you falsely.

 

[RaymondG]

Not everyone can go to seminary and be versant in Hebrew and Greek. Or learn the nuances of the culture when the various books were being written.

These are the educations in milk.....and are very important. The esteem one gets from accreditation, however, can make one too confident in there own knowledge and more willing to disregard the words of a carpenter when approached by one... Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth....

We need teachers to train the congregations in those things and to teach them NOT to get hung up on how any particular translation is worded. Look to the original sources.

Yes milk is very important.....as giving meat to a baby would kill them. The multitudes need to be taught and needs teachers. And when they are ready...they are called within, where thet are given the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.....

 

[Albion]

From the Christian POV, there is one baptism. The New Testament even says it that way--One Lord, One Faith,..and "ONE BAPTISM."

The others are called baptisms by way of making an analogy to the sacrament of Baptism. The only possible exception might be the Baptisms of John since they were literal baptismal ceremonies conducted as part of the practice of the Jewish people prior to the coming of Christ. But although they were literal acts, they are not Christian ordinances or sacraments.

 

[RaymondG]

OK Raymond. You counted this post as "Useful." Can you name the 7 baptisms? I have not done so yet. (not here at least)

I see little value in comparing mans wisdoms.....which is foolishness to God. I would like to know better the letters of the law.....but I dont mind being viewed by those without, as ignorant and unlearned.