If the Kavanaugh accusations are true...

[Aldebaran]

In a case where the accuser is the victim of the defendant's physical attack against them it can be intimidating, terrifying, and cause them to feel as though they are reliving the attack. That alone is a major reason most rapes and sexual assaults don't make it to trial or remain unreported.

It's also a way of facing down their accuser and making them feel intimidated, having brought their actions out into the open. That is, assuming the accusation is true. It's a way of getting closure--along with justice. Avoiding and being intimidated by the person you've been sexually attacked by will only prolong the intimidation.

 

[Go Braves]

If someone is willing to accuse you of something serious, they should have the guts to do it to your face.

That's extremely foolish. If somebody has done something serious to you, it's usually head up the rear end stupid to trust that person enough to get face to face again & make an accusation.

 

[redleghunter]

Not seeing the money in that.... Neither Oprah nor The View pay their guests, afaik.



They do so in all things -- but the people will forget this outrage as soon as the next outrage hits the front page.

Anita Hill did get a book deal and recently a movie deal.

She had also made paid speeches on violence against women and the law.

Now given she is a law grad some of that is due to her expertise but after the Thomas hearings.

It is not implausible Ford given her credentials could also focus on women’s issues after this media exposure.

 

[Aldebaran]

Since when was bravery a requirement for justice?

If it takes bravery to confront someone for a wrong they did, then bravery is what it takes.

And telling someone who might have been raped that they should have ‘guts’ is more than a little insulting.

Well, what do you want then? Do you want someone who has made an accusation of rape to be told, "Oh, don't worry. We'll believe whatever you say. You don't need to provide any proof. You don't even need to say what happened."?

 

[Aldebaran]

That's extremely foolish. If somebody has done something serious to you, it's usually head up the rear end stupid to trust that person enough to get face to face again & make an accusation.

We're talking about in court, or even in the Senate. I'm not talking about doing it in a dark alley somewhere.

 

[Aldebaran]

Anita Hill did get a book deal and recently a movie deal.

She had also made paid speeches on violence against women and the law.

Now given she is a law grad some of that is due to her expertise but after the Thomas hearings.

It is not implausible Ford given her credentials could also focus on women’s issues after this media exposure.

Monica Lewinski has profited quite well too. It seems that once your name and face become known regarding something a lot of people agree with, you become a celebrity, and some people will do anything to capitalize on it.

 

[Go Braves]

Anita Hill did get a book deal and recently a movie deal.

She had also made paid speeches on violence against women and the law.

Now given she is a law grad some of that is due to her expertise but after the Thomas hearings.

It is not implausible Ford given her credentials could also focus on women’s issues after this media exposure.

Recently a movie deal? Nearly 30 years afterwards. In a whole other era. Good for Anita Hill for being brave enough to make speeches on violence against women & the law. Gracious knows she's got personal experience with that. She got death threats, harassment, all sorts of nastiness for years & years.

Ford already has an impressive career. She's in hiding now on account of the threats from loons.

 

[Go Braves]

We're talking about in court, or even in the Senate. I'm not talking about doing it in a dark alley somewhere.

Well that's exactly what Ford will be doing. She's agreed to testify to a Senate panel.

 

[Aldebaran]

Recently a movie deal? Nearly 30 years afterwards. In a whole other era. Good for Anita Hill for being brave enough to make speeches on violence against women & the law. Gracious knows she's got personal experience with that. She got death threats, harassment, all sorts of nastiness for years & years.

Ford already has an impressive career. She's in hiding now on account of the threats from loons.

Kavanaugh is being threatened just as much. So is his wife. It seems that some people don't care that he also has children that are no doubt being affected by the threats.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well that's exactly what Ford will be doing. She's agreed to testify to a Senate panel.

That's good. I'll be interested in hearing what she has to say.

 

[redleghunter]

And yet even so, people remember cases like Brock Turner... one shudders to think what the scene was like 30 years ago.

30 years ago I think the same would have happened in that bystanders would intervene. For the rich and famous I would say given how the Hollywood and Beverly Hills police handled the sexual assault cases back then, yeah there was a corruption problem.

Even coming from a middle class Irish Catholic family growing up in the 80s high school and college, there were rich kids in Catholic school. They thew some parties I was invited to as I was on the same sports teams. I always wondered where their parents were and why alcohol was so freely flowing. But even these parties were tame in comparison to the stuff in the prep school year books we are seeing from Beltway DC and Maryland.

 

[Kentonio]

Well, what do you want then? Do you want someone who has made an accusation of rape to be told, "Oh, don't worry. We'll believe whatever you say. You don't need to provide any proof. You don't even need to say what happened."?

Why do you keep trying to equate physically facing someone with a right to a defense? You can defend yourself just fine without staring at your accuser. As you said above it’s about intimidation, which is a seriously unfair additional burden to put on a sexual assault or rape victim.

 

[mark kennedy]

That is how you dehumanize someone - leave them with never knowing the truth, and feeling uncertain about things that should be straight-forward and clear. The consequential incredulity is a seed.

In other words, you are fed misinformation in order to skew your very qualified mind from making decisions and judgments about certain things unless there is authorization. It is your right to be prejudiced, and to be presumptuous; often times those are necessary, but it would take maturity to execute those properly. For example, having a prejudice against witchcraft may be good for you as a Christian; it keeps you safe. Should you burn all witches at the stake? That is for you as a sovereign individual to decide.

Morality is the way humans justify their degeneracy; the high level of subjectivity in morality allow us to feel justified even when we aren't.

Wow, you got all that fatalistic logic from what I wrote. Its a phenomenon all too common in our culture, sex scandal trumps substance. If there is a diversionary tactic at work here its that an accusation like this doesnt have to be substatianted, and there is much to be gained politically. Since the Gary Hart Monkey Business sex scandal has been center stage. Its not misinformation, it diversion and in this case a stalling tactic. Personally I think Ford just made the whole thing up. Dont get me wrong, I dont like Trump and would love to see this nomination withdrawn. Just not like this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why do you keep trying to equate physically facing someone with a right to a defense? You can defend yourself just fine without staring at your accuser. As you said above it’s about intimidation, which is a seriously unfair additional burden to put on a sexual assault or rape victim.

"Facing your accuser" doesn't always mean "staring" at them. It basically means that you get to be there when they make the accusations to a judge or jury and are there to respond to those accusations. It has nothing to do with intimidation.

 

[redleghunter]

If someone is willing to accuse you of something serious, they should have the guts to do it to your face.

Or just get thrown in jail with no trial like what happened to Joseph.

Genesis 39 BSB

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Lulz. Do you think that's genuine?

I don't know, and neither do you. Does it matter? I was addressing a your claim is trying to intimidate potential accusers. What is relevant to that claim is what he said, not what you think he means...

 

[Aldebaran]

Or just get thrown in jail with no trial like what happened to Joseph.

Genesis 39 BSB

True!
Or have their bid to be nominated as the Republican presidential candidate in 2016 like Herman Cain did. When he was the front runner, the women came out of the woodwork making accusations of sexual misconduct against him--right up until he finally dropped out of the race. That's when all those women dropped their accusations. Funny how that works.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Dont get me wrong, I dont like T r ump and would love to see this nomination withdrawn.

What do you think about Kavanaugh? Or are you opposed in principle to any nominee put forward by Trump just because you don't like him?

 

[Go Braves]

I don't know, and neither do you. Does it matter? I was addressing a your claim is trying to intimidate potential accusers. What is relevant to that claim is what he said, not what you think he means...

Well it's pretty easy to figure it out based on his character & his accompanying actions. He talks out of one side of his mouth saying he wants to hear from her, from the other that she's lying. It's relevant that the POTUS is attacking a woman who has come forward with serious allegations & is refusing to have the FBI investigate those allegations.

 

[redleghunter]

Recently a movie deal? Nearly 30 years afterwards. In a whole other era. Good for Anita Hill for being brave enough to make speeches on violence against women & the law. Gracious knows she's got personal experience with that. She got death threats, harassment, all sorts of nastiness for years & years.

Ford already has an impressive career. She's in hiding now on account of the threats from loons.

Kavanaugh’s family has been threatened too. Seems there are loons everywhere.