Is there proof God exist?

[AV1611VET]

With or without warning, it is categorically wrong to punish a child with death for the "crime" of the parent. It boggles my mind that anyone would worship a monster that would do so.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

1. Pharaoh was committing an act of slow genocide of the Hebrews by having all male children born put to death.

2. Pharaoh was beating the Hebrew workers unmercifully.

3. After nine thought-provoking plagues that targeted specific Egyptian deities, demonstrating that JEHOVAH is supreme over any "god" man can conjure up ...

4. ... God called His heritage home.

 

[awitch]

1. Pharaoh was committing an act of slow genocide of the Hebrews by having all male children born put to death.

Again, it's categorically wrong to kill the children in the country for the crimes of this one man. God seems pretty inconsistent about it, too when you think about all the other holocausts that have taken place since that went unpunished.

2. Pharaoh was beating the Hebrew workers unmercifully.

In no world does this justify the deaths of children.

3. After nine thought-provoking plagues that targeted specific Egyptian deities, demonstrating that JEHOVAH is supreme over any "god" man can conjure up ...

Demonstrating supremacy with destruction is a moral failing in my book.

4. ... God called His heritage home.

Isn't everyone a child of God? Isn't everyone his heritage or when you turn 18 (or 21) does that get revoked? This is a weak excuse.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn't everyone a child of God?

No.

Children are SAVED BY INNOCENCE until they reach the age of accountability.

Then they need to be SAVED BY FAITH.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Isn't everyone his heritage or when you turn 18 (or 21) does that get revoked?

Sounds like you know a little about how He operates.

That gets revoked when one reaches the age of accountability.

Could be 18, could be 21, everyone is different, depending on their state of mind.

I have a mentally-challenged nephew; his age of accountability was probably later in life.

This is a weak excuse.

Calling His children home is not an "excuse;" it is an action.

 

[awitch]

No.

Children are SAVED BY INNOCENCE until they reach the age of accountability.

Then they need to be SAVED BY FAITH.

So everyone is saved at birth and then they lose salvation and have to ask for it again?
What's the cutoff age?

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.Sounds like you know a little about how He operates.

That gets revoked when one reaches the age of accountability.

Could be 18, could be 21, everyone is different, depending on their state of mind.

I have a mentally-challenged nephew; his age of accountability was probably later in life.Calling His children home is not an "excuse;" it is an action.[/QUOTE]

So everyone is born saved, they lose salvation as soon as they are mentally mature, and then have to regain it?

 

[ananda]

Is there proof God exist?

No.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Through the revelation of the Holy Spirit and the testimony of the manuscript evidence.

By 'through the revelation of the Holy Spirit' are you referring to a personal revelation that the Holy Spirit gave you?

How thoroughly have you examined the manuscript evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

So everyone is born saved, they lose salvation as soon as they are mentally mature, and then have to regain it?

Is there a problem?

If you're trying to argue these children into Hell, using God's standards, you can forget it.

God is much smarter than we are.

I'm always intrigued by the Lady Hope story.

IN MY OPINION, Darwin died and went to Heaven, because I prefer to believe the Lady Hope story.

But academians rush in and say NO WAY! not realizing that they're consigning Darwin to Hell.

With friends like that, who needs enemies!?

 

[JoeP222w]

By 'through the revelation of the Holy Spirit' are you referring to a personal revelation that the Holy Spirit gave you?

Yes, as He gives to all mankind.

How thoroughly have you examined the manuscript evidence?

I continue to study it, it is a lifelong process.

 

[awitch]

Is there a problem?

Besides the whole death to the country's children because of the Pharaoh who's heart was hardened by God?

If you're trying to argue these children into Hell, using God's standards, you can forget it.[/quotes]

No, my objection was their death.

IN MY OPINION, Darwin died and went to Heaven, because I prefer to believe the Lady Hope story.

But academians rush in and say NO WAY! not realizing that they're consigning Darwin to Hell.

But it's God who consigns people to hell, not academics.

 

[Love &Forgiveness]

Through the revelation of the Holy Spirit and the testimony of the manuscript evidence.

All the prediction about Jesus came true! The whole Bible is one unified Message written by many people over a very long period of time. It may have been written by many people but there is only One Author, Jesus Christ!

 

[JoeP222w]

All the prediction about Jesus came true! The whole Bible is one unified Message written by many people over a very long period of time. It may have been written by many people but there is only One Author, Jesus Christ!

Absolutely and completely agree!

 

[Love &Forgiveness]

Besides the whole death to the country's children because of the Pharaoh who's heart was hardened by God?

It is hard to realize, but God taking the Pharaoh's child is an act of Grace to Pharaoh. God sent plages and natural disasters to show Pharaoh that all the things that he was putting his trust in didn't have the Power to Save him, only God does. He took away all of Pharaoh's idols but he still refused to turn away from things that couldn't Save him. In fact Pharaoh thought he was a god. He was hardened because when God convicted him of his idolizing and took them away, he hardened his own heart. When God convicts us of our sins we can agree with Him which soften our heart, or we can refuse to confess our sin and harden our hearts.

 

[AV1611VET]

Besides the whole death to the country's children because of the Pharaoh who's heart was hardened by God?

Do you know what that means?

Let a sponge represent one's heart.

Let water represent hate.

To "harden one's heart" then, is to squeeze the sponge, causing all the hate to come out at once.

As I said before, Pharaoh had a SLOW process of genocide going on.

God showed up and took care of business: forcing Pharaoh to declare his intentions.

Had He not done that, there would be no Jews today.

 

[Rajni]

Romans 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (19) For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. (20) For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

I definitely see what I would consider evidence that God -- or at
least some kind of Designer/Creator -- exists. I really doubt I'd
ever reach a point where I would think otherwise, even if I do get
"agnosticated" at times over the finer details of what constitutes
that God/Creator/Designer.

However, contrary to what is suggested by the above verse,
it's not as though anyone needs an excuse for not figuring out
the Cosmic Riddle before their body expired (an arbitrary dead-
line if ever I saw one). No excuses required when perfectly good
explanations will do, and even those aren't absolutely needed
because an all-knowing God will already understand.

I'm quite certain God isn't akin to the likes of The Twilight Zone's
Anthony Fremont in It's A Good Life, banishing into the cornfields
(or worse) anyone who didn't measure up:

As if... !


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[Love &Forgiveness]

It is hard to realize, but God taking the Pharaoh's child is an act of Grace to Pharaoh. God sent plages and natural disasters to show Pharaoh that all the things that he was putting his trust in didn't have the Power to Save him, only God does. He took away all of Pharaoh's idols but he still refused to turn away from things that couldn't Save him. In fact Pharaoh thought he was a god. He was hardened because when God convicted him of his idolizing and took them away, he hardened his own heart. When God convicts us of our sins we can agree with Him which soften our heart, or we can refuse to confess our sin and harden our hearts.

In the New Testament hardening you heart is called greiving or quenching the Holy Spirit. It is also called being stiff neck. What it basically means is resisting the Holy Spirit's work in your life until you become numb to hearing or seeing God in your life. Your heart becomes like a stone and you can no longer respond because you resisted Him so long that you no longer realize God is convicting you of your sins. It is like parents that no longer listen to their children when they talk. They completely ignore them. Or how a husband tunes out his wife and no longer listen to her talk or cares what she says.

 

[Love &Forgiveness]

In the New Testament hardening you heart is called greiving or quenching the Holy Spirit. It is also called being stiff neck. What it basically means is resisting the Holy Spirit's work in your life until you become numb to hearing or seeing God in your life. Your heart becomes like a stone and you can no longer respond because you resisted Him so long that you no longer realize God is convicting you of your sins. It is like parents that no longer listen to their children when they talk. They completely ignore them. Or how a husband tunes out his wife and no longer listen to her talk or cares what she says.

This is an instance in the New Testament about hardening your heart aka resisting the Holy Spirit.

Acts 7:54-60 NLT
The Jewish leaders were infuriated by Stephen's accusation, and they shook their fists at him in rage. [55] But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into heaven and saw the glory of God, and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God's right hand. [56] And he told them, "Look, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing in the place of honor at God's right hand!" [57] Then they put their hands over their ears and began shouting. They rushed at him [58] and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul. [59] As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." [60] He fell to his knees, shouting, "Lord, don't charge them with this sin!" And with that, he died.

 

[Love &Forgiveness]

This is an instance in the New Testament about hardening your heart aka resisting the Holy Spirit.

Acts 7:54-60 NLT
The Jewish leaders were infuriated by Stephen's accusation, and they shook their fists at him in rage. [55] But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into heaven and saw the glory of God, and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God's right hand. [56] And he told them, "Look, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing in the place of honor at God's right hand!" [57] Then they put their hands over their ears and began shouting. They rushed at him [58] and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul. [59] As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." [60] He fell to his knees, shouting, "Lord, don't charge them with this sin!" And with that, he died.

Jesus came to Save sinners, not people that think they are already good enough.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is an instance in the New Testament about hardening your heart aka resisting the Holy Spirit.

I think what some can't understand is the fact that God hardened Pharaoh's heart.

What you're talking about is people hardening their own hearts.

We do know that Pharaoh also hardened his heart as well.

Exodus 8:32 And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

1 Samuel 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?

But the idea of God facilitating it for the sake of the Jews' existence is lost on them.

 

[Love &Forgiveness]

I think what some can't understand is the fact that God hardened Pharaoh's heart.

What you're talking about is people hardening their own hearts.

We do know that Pharaoh also hardened his heart as well.

Exodus 8:32 And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

1 Samuel 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?

But the idea of God facilitating it for the sake of the Jews' existence is lost on them.

To me it is like this. Lets talk about politics. Lets say that I am extremely right wing, which I am not. Lets say that you are completely left wing. Some people are so set in their ways that if anyone says something that oppossess their beliefs they dig themselves deeper into their beliefs. They are hardened in their position and no matter what you do or say they will not let go. Like when you tell a child to do something and they say no. Sometimes the only way to get them to move is to pick them up and move them. God knows how to get us to move. He knows are thoughts and intentions. He can use bad for good.

 

[awitch]

He can use bad for good.

An omnipotent, omniscient god shouldn't have to.