My Jesus Challenge

[awitch]

What I meant was ...

Using the scientific method to sci is one thing, but when they hold it up to the events in the Bible, they're overstepping their authority.

When the Bible (or religious adherents) make verifiable claims about the natural world, then science is wholly within its authority. It is the authority.

I take a lot of flack from whitecoated* pagans for this.

Rightly so.

 

[AV1611VET]

When the Bible (or religious adherents) make verifiable claims about the natural world, then science is wholly within its authority.

No argument there.

For example, I'm a "religious adherent" that makes the verifiable claim that gravity exists.

It is the authority.

But when that same authority says the Flood didn't happen because it would have boiled the earth away due to exothermic heat being generated, then science can take a hike.

Rightly so.

Maybe if you put all your beliefs up for scrutiny, you'd be surprised that academians might criticize some of them as well?

I know their primary target is the 1611 KJB, but pagan writings just might fall under their microscopes as well.

 

[awitch]

But when that same authority says the Flood didn't happen because it would have boiled the earth away due to exothermic heat being generated, then science can take a hike.

There are thousands of other reasons why the Flood could not have happened. But I'm sure you'll dismiss them, too, because you prefer to believe otherwise.

Maybe if you put all your beliefs up for scrutiny, you'd be surprised that academians might criticize some of them as well?

Of course they would. I have no empirical evidence for my gods, just as no one else does for theirs. But I'm not claiming a monopoly on truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are thousands of other reasons why the Flood could not have happened.

Aren't you being a bit melodramatic here?

But I'm sure you'll dismiss them, too, because you prefer to believe otherwise.

I'm glad you can see that from my POV; even if you don't agree with it.

Of course they would.

And you don't see that as overstepping their authority?

I have no empirical evidence for my gods,

And neither do scientists.

But that won't stop them from denigrating your beliefs, will it?

... just as no one else does for theirs.

But I'm not claiming a monopoly on truth.

Because you don't have it? or because you're weak in your faith? or because you're just saying that on principle? or what?

Let me ask you this:

In your opinion, what does your god(s) think of you?

 

[awitch]

Aren't you being a bit melodramatic here?

No, not at all.

I'm glad you can see that from my POV; even if you don't agree with it.

Glad you can admit that you just prefer to believe things even when all the evidence says otherwise.

And you don't see that as overstepping their authority?

Of course not. Religious beliefs are not inherently deserving of respect, anyway.

And neither do scientists.

No one does.

But that won't stop them from denigrating your beliefs, will it?

No reason why it should and they are right to do so.

Because you don't have it? or because you're weak in your faith? or because you're just saying that on principle? or what?

I'm confident in my path, not because I know it to be an accurate description of reality, but because it works for me. My religion doesn't declare how reality works, it reminds us to understand our place within it.

Let me ask you this:
In your opinion, what does your god(s) think of you?

In what sense?

 

[dlamberth]

Well my friend how about Thou shalt not kill. Do you not understand why you shouldnt or how it came to be?

I've often wondered how serious this command it taken, especially with the number of civilian people killed by military actions with little protest or even acknowledgment by the religious community.

 

[AV1611VET]

Glad you can admit that you just prefer to believe things even when all the evidence says otherwise.

Interesting you should say this, in light of: 192

 

[AV1611VET]

In what sense?

Overall.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've often wondered how serious this command it taken, especially with the number of civilian people killed by military actions with little protest or even acknowledgment by the religious community.

Should they kill themselves instead?

 

[awitch]

Overall.

I suspect they approve.

 

[AV1611VET]

I suspect they approve.

Do you suspect they approve of this statement:

But I'm not claiming a monopoly on truth.

If so, is it because they couldn't communicate any truths to us? especially in writing?

 

[Zoness]

No pizza party after the game, kids. It makes the game even more precious, and I want you out there doing your best as a team!

I would hope that kids want to play their best because they want to do their best, rewards notwithstanding. Of course they're kids, they have a childish moral framework of expecting reward and avoiding punishment. As they grow up, so do their ethics.

Besides in your analogy, if there's no pizza party there's no torture for losing either so focusing in the game sounds just fine.

 

[Zoness]

* I view academians today as pagans who hide behind the scientific method; and whose [subconscious] goal is to obliterate every jot and tittle of the 1611 King James Bible.

In what sense are they pagan?

What do you mean by obliterate? As in prove false? It seems like it's already mostly not factual and should be taken metaphorically.

Why the KJV? What actually makes it special? Other than being a Bible that Protestants use.

 

[awitch]

Do you suspect they approve of this statement:

Yes.

If so, is it because they couldn't communicate any truths to us? especially in writing?

If I answered, "Gods work in mysterious ways." would you be completely satisfied with that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are thousands of other reasons why the Flood could not have happened. But I'm sure you'll dismiss them, too, because you prefer to believe otherwise.



Of course they would. I have no empirical evidence for my gods, just as no one else does for theirs. But I'm not claiming a monopoly on truth.

Lol like God must confine Himself to our hilariously limited knowledge of science.

 

[Robban]

I've often wondered how serious this command it taken, especially with the number of civilian people killed by military actions with little protest or even acknowledgment by the religious community.

There is no such command to be found,
it simply does not exist.

"Thou shall not murder."exists.

Murder is taking of innocent life.

Killing is taking of any life, sometimes permitted or obligatory.

Talmud, tells "If someone comes to kill you,
you must stand up and kill him first."

In defence it is permitted. Exodus 22:2

 

[Zoness]

Lol like God must confine Himself to our hilariously limited knowledge of science.

Limited, sure, but constantly growing. Science has done more for us than gods, so far.

 

[awitch]

Lol like God must confine Himself to our hilariously limited knowledge of science.

Are you suggesting he manipulated the evidence?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Limited, sure, but constantly growing. Science has done more for us than gods, so far.

Lol really where would science be without The Creator?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why the KJV? What actually makes it special?

Its Author.