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Christians - tell me about Satan?

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God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) first occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that the angel Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. By the way the Book of Job is not a literal history but rather a sort of extended parable and was likely transmitted orally long before it was recorded in print about 1000 BC. The next reference to Satan is some 500 years later in Zechariah writing during the Exile. Following that the next reference is another 500 years later in Matthew.

There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: "4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil.

The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:”7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.

So, in summary the Devil is a conflation of Satan from Job and Lucifer from Isaiah and the serpent from Genesis. A lot of the modern notions of the Devil and Hell finds its roots in lurid medieval fiction like "The Inferno" by the Italian poet Dante.

Speaking as a mature Christian, I do not take talk of the Devil and Hell in a literal way.

How is a secular account of the history of Christianity and its theology a sign of "mature" belief? I would think that adherence to a progressive revelation in which the Jews slowly became aware of the existence of Satan, influenced by the Zoroastrian experience of the divine, would be an equally mature take on the historical developments. I might prefer a more symbolic approach to angels and demons myself, but I don't see how this is more mature than some of the alternatives out there.
 
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How is a secular account of the history of Christianity and its theology a sign of "mature" belief? I would think that adherence to a progressive revelation in which the Jews slowly became aware of the existence of Satan, influenced by the Zoroastrian experience of the divine, would be an equally mature take on the historical developments. I might prefer a more symbolic approach to angels and demons myself, but I don't see how this is more mature than some of the alternatives out there.

I didn't say that my understanding was more mature.:D I said that I was a mature Christian. :)
 
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1. If god is all powerful, all seeing and all knowing how did Satan get to trick Eve without god knowing what he was doing?

2. If god is all powerful and everywhere at the same time, why doesn’t he sort Satan out?

3. Do you believe Satan exists, really?

4. Tell me more about how Satan is supposed to operate, is it an entity, a singular being or more like god, being everywhere and anywhere it wants to be?

Of all the things theists believe I personally find the cobept of Satan amongst the most unbelievable.

I'm going to switch this around by answering questions (3,4) first. Yes, I believe Satan exists. However, unlike some Christians who seem to have some kind of demonology all worked out and codified, I don't see evidence in the Bible where God has intended for us to have a systematic, comprehensive understanding about the Devil. Rather, I tend to think God wants us to focus upon Him as He is in the Trinity and simply be aware in a more general, heuristic fashion about Satan and his scheming and thereby be prepared to "stand" against the evils and temptations that will be sent our way.

So, asking me "what" and "who" Satan is and "how" he operates in full, and doing this without being theoretical about it, is about like asking me to discuss the internal organs of the Trinity. :rolleyes: At best, all I can suggest to you is that if we try to identify Satan's work in our world, when we really look at it, it'll appear more like something along the lines of the movie "The Omen" or Aldous Huxley's book, "Brave New World," rather than that of the movies, "The Exorcist" or "The Rite."

However, if you'd like to join me for a more or less theoretical (and more or less) rational look at the way we might conceive of how Satan works, even as it is opaquely reflected in the Bible, then you might look at my thread here in the Christian Apologetics section which is entitled:

Getting Spiritually Screwtaped Over - by C.S. Lewis

As to your first few questions (1,2), I think God has uses for Satan as a kind of Quality Control Tester, not for the sake of God's knowledge, but for ours ...........................................because hardship of various forms tends to tells 'us' (again, not God so much) about where we are in our growth as Christians--that is, what kind of people we really are at the moment; hence, we see admonitions like those given my James in his letter in the New Testament.

In sum, I think a lot of God's purpose for allowing Satan to roost in our world boils down to our coming to existentially realize that we have to "die to this world" in order to grow as Christians. Obviously, this state of realization is fraught with social complications and emotional perplexities as we reach out to God and try to emulate the life of Jesus. Of course, none of us likes this kind of 'testing,' but this is where we are and this is what we have to face, nevertheless. :cool:

 
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God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) first occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that the angel Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. By the way the Book of Job is not a literal history but rather a sort of extended parable and was likely transmitted orally long before it was recorded in print about 1000 BC. The next reference to Satan is some 500 years later in Zechariah writing during the Exile. Following that the next reference is another 500 years later in Matthew.

There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: "4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil.

The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:”7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.

I feel like I've heard this schtick before, word for word. Strong "maturity," low effort. :D
 
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God created mankind and the angels in heaven with free will which is about Love. You can't have true love without free will. You can't MAKE anyone love anyone. The plan of salvation was put in place before the earth was created ... God knew satan (called lucifer) in heaven would rebel (therefore free will in heaven as well). He cast lucifer and 1/3 of the angels siding with lucifer to the earth thus cleansing heaven of sin (which is transgression of Gods Holy law). satan/lucifer then tempted Adam and Eve and thus the fall of mankind and introduction of sin into mankind and into the bloodline of mankind. Thus becoming our nature ... that is it is natural for us to disobey God than to obey Him.

But don't you see the logical dilemma? If God had planned for man's salvation, then he also knew Adam and Eve would be tempted by the serpent and would disobey. Meaning their sin had to be preordained by God. Adam and Eve were not really acting from their will, but from God's will. Which raises the question of why God would punish mankind for sinfulness, when this was actually part of God's plan? Do you see the logical difficulty here?
 
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The only likable character in the entire Bible.

Not to get off topic, but that's definitely true in Paradise Lost. Satan is clearly the most compelling and appealing character in the poem. Milton depicts him not as a grotesque and horrifying arch-fiend, but as a character of light and beauty who rebels against what he considers to be God's tyranny. The famous line sums it up: "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven." In the end, he and the fallen angels are punished by being turned into snakes. So he becomes a sort of tragic hero. He has human emotions and is much more relatable than God. Milton took some heat for that when the work came out.
 
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But don't you see the logical dilemma? If God had planned for man's salvation, then he also knew Adam and Eve would be tempted by the serpent and would disobey. Meaning their sin had to be preordained by God. Adam and Eve were not really acting from their will, but from God's will. Which raises the question of why God would punish mankind for sinfulness, when this was actually part of God's plan? Do you see the logical difficulty here?

Yeah ... well ... as we believe He is God and He created us. And yeah we pray "thy will be done" ... "not my will, but your will" so we do recognize and affirm His will, why do we affirm and accept His will ... because He created us and because he loves us. Because He loves us ... we love Him.

God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in the
Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve because
creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out. So what is God's will? For His creation to live and have a loving relationship with Him for eternity ... a eternal life with without the consequences of sin that we experience now not being present there.

So, here we are His created beings ... and we know we die (earthly death).

I don't have a problem with honoring or giving glory to and accepting His will for me because He is my creator. If it was not for His creation .... I (we) would not exist. So is it better to exist or not exist? Hmmmm ... Interesting question .... can't answer it unless one is existing. Since I do exist and considering living with God will not at all be the same as what terrible "things" are experienced now .... yeah .... I look forward to living with the Lord for eternity according to His will. We and all of creation will be in perfect harmony with His will who truly loves us .... Living in His will is going to be a wonderful life and I don't have a problem with it ;o) His will is my will.

Thy kingdom come ... Thy will be done. I don't have a problem with it.
AMEN
 
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Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out.

That's the logical paradox. We may think we're making a free will choice. But if in actuality we're fulfilling God's preordained plan, is it really our choice?

Yeah ... well ... as we believe He is God and He created us. And yeah we pray "thy will be done" ... "not my will, but your will" so we do recognize and affirm His will, why do we affirm and accept His will ... because He created us and because he loves us. Because He loves us ... we love Him.

I don't have a problem with honoring or giving glory to and accepting His will for me because He is my creator. If it was not for His creation .... I (we) would not exist. So is it better to exist or not exist? Hmmmm ... Interesting question .... can't answer it unless one is existing. Since I do exist and considering living with God will not at all be the same as what terrible "things" are experienced now .... yeah .... I look forward to living with the Lord for eternity according to His will. We and all of creation will be in perfect harmony with His will who truly loves us .... Living in His will is going to be a wonderful life and I don't have a problem with it ;o) His will is my will.

Thy kingdom come ... Thy will be done. I don't have a problem with it.
AMEN

What you're saying is that it's a matter of faith. You just have to believe that God is the ultimate in goodness and love, and will grant blissful eternal life to his faithful. And that's fine. I won't argue with faith. I'm just pointing out that God's ways and means--as believers describe them--are not logically coherent. And I wonder why a god who gave us a brain that processes information according to the rules of logic, would expect us to believe something that violates logical thinking.
 
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That's the logical paradox. We may think we're making a free will choice. But if in actuality we're fulfilling God's preordained plan, is it really our choice?



What you're saying is that it's a matter of faith. You just have to believe that God is the ultimate in goodness and love, and will grant blissful eternal life to his faithful. And that's fine. I won't argue with faith. I'm just pointing out that God's ways and means--as believers describe them--are not logically coherent. And I wonder why a god who gave us a brain that processes information according to the rules of logic, would expect us to believe something that violates logical thinking.

I'm sort of surprised to see you continually commit this strawman (which we have touched on before). Merely asserting that foreknowledge precludes free will is the theological parallel to merely asserting that evolution is a guided process. It just shows a serious lack of engagement and familiarity with the literature. Obviously I expect it from some, but you often seem to probe more deeply.
 
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Not to get off topic, but that's definitely true in Paradise Lost. Satan is clearly the most compelling and appealing character in the poem. Milton depicts him not as a grotesque and horrifying arch-fiend, but as a character of light and beauty who rebels against what he considers to be God's tyranny. The famous line sums it up: "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven." In the end, he and the fallen angels are punished by being turned into snakes. So he becomes a sort of tragic hero. He has human emotions and is much more relatable than God. Milton took some heat for that when the work came out.

Careful not to mischaracterize Paradise Lost--that famous line is not actually the ode to spiritual rebellion that it might seem, but actually quite the opposite. It's a bitter grapes situation, and Satan knows in fact that it's not better to reign in hell. He just needs to keep morale up, presumably including his own.

Keep in mind that even the most thematically difficult of Christian literature remains Christian. Milton is not actually saying that God is a tyrant who ought to be revolted against, and despite his sympathetic characteristics, Satan is not without his dark side.
 
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I'm sort of surprised to see you continually commit this strawman (which we have touched on before). Merely asserting that foreknowledge precludes free will is the theological parallel to merely asserting that evolution is a guided process. It just shows a serious lack of engagement and familiarity with the literature. Obviously I expect it from some, but you often seem to probe more deeply.

The logical problem is not with foreknowledge. It's sovereignty. The post to which I was responding said in essence that Adam and Eve's disobedience was part of God's sovereign plan of salvation. (Because obviously, if there was no sin, there would be no need for Jesus as redeemer.) This is quite standard Christian doctrine. But if that's true, then how can one say that Adam and Eve's sinful act resulted from their free will? They were essentially players acting out God's will according to God's script.

I'm sure you know the Bible is replete with verses proclaiming God's sovereignty. Just a few:

“'I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted." Job 42:2

"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will..." Ephesians 1:11

"Even from eternity I am He, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?" Isaiah 43:13

Do you think that Adam and Eve could have refused to eat the forbidden fruit? And even if so, wouldn't they have eventually sinned in some other way? Do you really believe it was never God's plan that sin would enter the world?
 
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The logical problem is not with foreknowledge. It's sovereignty.

Thanks for correcting me on that. I will make a short response here, but if you want to start a new thread you can.

The post to which I was responding said in essence that Adam and Eve's disobedience was part of God's sovereign plan of salvation. (Because obviously, if there was no sin, there would be no need for Jesus as redeemer.) This is quite standard Christian doctrine. But if that's true, then how can one say that Adam and Eve's sinful act resulted from their free will? They were essentially players acting out God's will according to God's script.

I'm never quite sure how to proceed with these interactions. Ideally the objector would present a tight argument that could be addressed in a focused way, and perhaps a new thread would offer that opportunity. For now I will have to do some guessing.

I assume the middle term of your argument is determinism, the idea that events are fully explicable in terms of antecedent causes and events. So we have something like this:
  1. Choices which are (pre)-determined are not free.
  2. God's sovereignty causes all human choices to be (pre)-determined.
  3. Therefore no human choices are free.
If that is an accurate representation then I would object to premise (2). Christian compatibilists would object to premise (1). Presumably you already have a defense of (2).

(I realize that the temporal nature of pre-determined presents a soft spot for the argument. I only used that language because it provides an easier entry point into the question. In an academic sense determinism refers to logical or causal antecedence, not temporal antecedence.)

Forgive me, but I am going to leave explanation to the potential new thread. Not only does the conversation strike me as mildly off-topic, but I also prefer a new thread because it will be better for archival purposes and the visibility will encourage participation and multiple viewpoints.

Do you think that Adam and Eve could have refused to eat the forbidden fruit? And even if so, wouldn't they have eventually sinned in some other way? Do you really believe it was never God's plan that sin would enter the world?

Yes / Not necessarily / Yes, what we might call His antecedent plan.
 
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That's the logical paradox. We may think we're making a free will choice. But if in actuality we're fulfilling God's preordained plan, is it really our choice?

What you're saying is that it's a matter of faith. You just have to believe that God is the ultimate in goodness and love, and will grant blissful eternal life to his faithful. And that's fine. I won't argue with faith. I'm just pointing out that God's ways and means--as believers describe them--are not logically coherent. And I wonder why a god who gave us a brain that processes information according to the rules of logic, would expect us to believe something that violates logical thinking.

"rules of logic" - which rule or rules of logic is/are being applied there are several?
logic and reason - I am assuming here it is logical thinking/reasoning - it's interesting
Then of course then we have premise

"What you're saying is that it's a matter of faith." Thank you for no argument ;o)

Definition of faith:
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

So my understanding is atheism is
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
and that's fine by the way, not being critical, just having conversation here

and then of course there is the word belief.
Definition: an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

Do you have a belief of how mankind got here?

The word logic is a interesting one, comes from the Greek word Logos meaning ...
word - reason.

So, to apply logic and/or reason we first have a "thought"

A thought: Found this in a article from MIT School of Engineering.

The human brain is composed of about 100 billion nerve cells (neurons) interconnected by trillions of connections, called synapses. On average, each connection transmits about one signal per second. Some specialized connections send up to 1,000 signals per second.

That's a lot going on even before we get to logic and reason LOL Pretty amazing.

Anyway ... so my conclusion is belief and belief is simply ones acceptance something is true or not, and belief is on a individual basis
Truth defined: fact or belief that is accepted as true

I will say, with the Bible though .... it is a historical and prophetic book. Prophesy, being able to predict things before they happen and in great detail and many of which are verifiable by history and archeology and ancient writings. Fact or fiction? Depends on what one believes. When mathematical odds are applied prophesy becomes quite compelling.

2nd Peter 1

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Careful not to mischaracterize Paradise Lost--that famous line is not actually the ode to spiritual rebellion that it might seem, but actually quite the opposite. It's a bitter grapes situation, and Satan knows in fact that it's not better to reign in hell. He just needs to keep morale up, presumably including his own.

Keep in mind that even the most thematically difficult of Christian literature remains Christian. Milton is not actually saying that God is a tyrant who ought to be revolted against, and despite his sympathetic characteristics, Satan is not without his dark side.
This is largely due to the Romantics, and Blake in particular, that many have this mistaken understanding. It forgets that Paradise Lost was written immediately after the English Civil War in which Milton was bitterly disappointed. Kings and rebellion was on his mind, but more so legitimacy. This was his argument against Charles I, after all.

Paradise Lost is actually a Christian Morality tale, with strong themes of Idolatry, and becoming Free as a slave of Christ, being a companion to Paradise Regained and Samson Agonistes. Reigning in Hell keeps you in Hell, not making it into a facsimile of Heaven. The imagery is full of writhing and pain, so I have often thought this interpretation is an incongruous one.

CS Lewis wrote an commentary on Paradise Lost, which goes into this in some depth. As Lewis said, Milton's Satan is essentially an ass, largely a figure of ridicule within the structure of the work. The later idea of an 'heroic Satan' here is a misconception, born out of the great writing of Milton, that 'fools' readers that aren't paying attention - such thinking largely wrenches the character out of context, akin to calling Fagin a great philanthropist in Oliver Twist. Milton's Satan is deluded and disingenuous, as expected of the prince of darkness.
 
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I don't particularly care for the concept of the devil, but it is clearly there in the NT. Baudelaire said that a good trick of the devil was convincing people he didn't exist. There is more truth here than I feel comfortable with.

One of the best literary treatments of the devil is in Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky. He lurks throughout in vague allusions and oaths by characters, before jumping to life in front of the 'atheistic' Ivan. Even here he isn't definitely corporeal, but our evil actions, our 'mutiny against God', makes us reject the world as given us by God. Or in CS Lewis' Perelandra, where the 'Bent One' torments Ransom, but almost in a petty way, like an uncouth school bully.

The devil is clearly closely connected to us, as in "get thee behind me, Satan", so perhaps he should be seen as an embodiment of human rebellion against God? What metaphysical connection this has to an entity, would always remain speculative. I wouldn't be surprised if the devil lurks in the collective unconscious.

Christianity is not a dualistic religion though, so the devil doesn't matter. What matters is faith in Christ. While there are forms of Atonement like Christus Victor that cite the devil, others do not, and Salvation need not be seen in such terms - in fact, such strongly dualistic thinking has historically been considered heresy.
Whether conceptualised as an entity, an archetype, a personification of Sin, or what have you - calling upon the name of the Lord, trusting in God, would exorcise it all the same.
 
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1. If god is all powerful, all seeing and all knowing how did Satan get to trick Eve without god knowing what he was doing?

God knows his every move. However before the final judgment every entity including every single angel and human all have the right to exercise his freewill to an allowable extent. Satan entitles to such an exercise.

2. If god is all powerful and everywhere at the same time, why doesn’t he sort Satan out?

Answered above. Satan has his right to exercise his freewill to an allowable extent.

3. Do you believe Satan exists, really?

Yes, he does exist.

4. Tell me more about how Satan is supposed to operate, is it an entity, a singular being or more like god, being everywhere and anywhere it wants to be?

He's in another realm where things are operated a bit differently. Entities there somehow know things better than humans in our realm. Humans will all be judged under open witnessing. This is the whole purpose of earth. Earth is for humans to show up as who they are under the open witnessing of angels and chosen saints, such as Moses.

John 5:45 (NIV2011)
But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

Angels, at least some of them, thus have the power to watch and memorize human deeds on earth.

Revelation 12:10 (NIV2011)
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

Satan can move around the world freely sometimes. It's a matter of how time and space work outside of our realm.

1 Peter 5:8 (NIV2011)
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Satan has the ability to do so, he also has a horde of fallen angels with him.
 
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1. If god is all powerful, all seeing and all knowing how did Satan get to trick Eve without god knowing what he was doing?

Reading the story as it is, I don't see any reason to think God didn't know.

2. If god is all powerful and everywhere at the same time, why doesn’t he sort Satan out?

He has, is, and will.

3. Do you believe Satan exists, really?

I believe that there are fallen rational creatures known as "devils" or "demons", "Satan" is the name given to the chief of these.

4. Tell me more about how Satan is supposed to operate, is it an entity, a singular being or more like god, being everywhere and anywhere it wants to be?

Historic Christian teaching is that the devils are fallen angels, as such they are creatures. They are not gods or god-like in anyway whatsoever. The devils are more like you and me than anything else. There's too much Hollywood in how many people imagine the devil. The devil is not some cosmic evil force, he's just a creature--a creature that historic orthodox Christian teaching says is defeated by Christ's death and resurrection, and may be enraged is still defeated. What does the devil do? The devil lies. Perhaps to excite the passions, or to pull us under a dark cloud of guilt; but always lying.

We Lutherans have this hymn, A Mighty Fortress, in which we sing:

"And though this world, with devils filled,
Should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed
His truth to triumph through us:
The Prince of Darkness grim,
We tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure,
For lo! his doom is sure,
One little word shall fell him.
"

The devil is felled by one little word. In German Wörtlein, "wordling" a tiny, little word.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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