Generational Curses--question

[Alithis]

If deliverance and protection was automatic just because we are Christians, there would be no need to resist the devil.

If Paul warns us not to give the devil a foothold, then it should be obvious that the devil can and does get footholds in Christian lives.

This verse talks about the love of God, it says nothing of what the devil can or can't do. As David said, "Yea though I make my bed in hell, thou art there!" ie.being in hell wouldn't separate him from the love of God.

As you said, while walking in His Spirit. The trouble is that most Christians just walk in knowledge, and Satan's knowledge is more subtle.
That's why much of the church exhibits just as much problems, anxieties, sicknesses, and financial woes as non believers do.

The OT is obviously full of examples of generational curses coming to fruition, the fact that they don't bear that name makes no difference. The word "curse" simply refers to suffering or affliction, so every time you read of someone suffering because of an event in their ancestral line, that's the outworking of a generational curse.

That's fine, but burying your head in the sand won't stop generational curses outworking!

none of this give any evidence or grounds for the doctrine of generational curses . the lord Jesus never went digging to find out about generational curses - he just cast devils out when they were there .
your still basing a doctrine on opinion . experience but of what ? often prayer for such things cause an emotional response that people attribute to a evil spirit .. when its actually just an emotional response from the person . if a person is born again -egypt has no power over them the past is broken off ,destroyed in baptism . they need to renew their mind ..realize its a lie holding them back and once they realize the truth of the matter ..they can walk free. the devil has NO power/authority .. just uses lies to trick folks . once they realize the truth they can walk free .
in contrast when there is a devil that manifests .. ya just cast it out in Jesus name

 

[Francis Drake]

What about John 8:36 ?

And what about Lk4v18
“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,

Jesus came to proclaim deliverance to the captives, which equates to your Jn8v36. But continuing, he also proclaims recovery of sight to the blind.
If those promises came automatically, there would be no blind Christians!
Likewise there would be no oppressed Christians!
Likewise there would be no sick Christians.

Meanwhile in the real world, we see the church full of physically blind Christians, as well as those captive, bound, and sickly.
Just like the Israelites in Egypt, it takes faith and action to obtain the deliverance that Jesus paid for.
Here's another promise.
Isaiah53v4Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

If the wounds of Jesus brought healing, why aren't all believers healthy?
They aren't healthy for the same reason many are not delivered from demons.

 

[Alithis]

And what about Lk4v18
“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,

Jesus came to proclaim deliverance to the captives, which equates to your Jn8v36. But continuing, he also proclaims recovery of sight to the blind.
If those promises came automatically, there would be no blind Christians!
Likewise there would be no oppressed Christians!
Likewise there would be no sick Christians.

Meanwhile in the real world, we see the church full of physically blind Christians, as well as those captive, bound, and sickly.
Just like the Israelites in Egypt, it takes faith and action to obtain the deliverance that Jesus paid for.
Here's another promise.
Isaiah53v4Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

If the wounds of Jesus brought healing, why aren't all believers healthy?
They aren't healthy for the same reason many are not delivered from demons.

i agree - YET , none of that has anything to do with generational curses ..but simply the curse of SIN which Jesus became and was nailed to the cross and left it there overcome when he rose again from the dead and can die no more . any one in Christ IS a NEW CREATION.. their ancestry begins and ends eternally in Christ alone .-generations curses are just a distracting doctrine not based upon any solid unambiguous scripture

 

[Francis Drake]

none of this give any evidence or grounds for the doctrine of generational curses .

Here's a generational curse on the starting blocks.- Matt27v25All the people answered, "His blood is on us and on our children!"
The outworking of that self invoked curse has been visible before all the world for the last 2000 years.
as has the curse on Jerusalem until the times of the Gentiles ended there in 1967.

the lord Jesus never went digging to find out about generational curses - he just cast devils out when they were there .

Silly argument. Jesus is God and knows everything inside out so doesn't need to dig.

your still basing a doctrine on opinion . experience but of what ? often prayer for such things cause an emotional response that people attribute to a evil spirit .. when its actually just an emotional response from the person .

Straw man arguments.
I've been successfully casting demons out of believers for over 40 years and have come across all sorts of root causes, including generational ones. Your opinion on the topic makes no difference to truth in action.

if a person is born again -egypt has no power over them the past is broken off ,destroyed in baptism.

Your theory sounds great, except for the fact that the majority of the church is still living in Egypt spiritually.

 

[Francis Drake]

i agree - YET , none of that has anything to do with generational curses

My reply which is perfectly correct, was not addressing generational curses. Go and read the previous posts and you may understand.

 

[Alithis]

Here's a generational curse on the starting blocks.- Matt27v25All the people answered, "His blood is on us and on our children!"
The outworking of that self invoked curse has been visible before all the world for the last 2000 years.
as has the curse on Jerusalem until the times of the Gentiles ended there in 1967.

Silly argument. Jesus is God and knows everything inside out so doesn't need to dig.

Straw man arguments.
I've been successfully casting demons out of believers for over 40 years and have come across all sorts of root causes, including generational ones. Your opinion on the topic makes no difference to truth in action.

Your theory sounds great, except for the fact that the majority of the church is still living in Egypt spiritually.

re matthew 27 v 25 .. and his blood was required of them and their children .for we know they were slaughtered until the hills around Jerusalem were bare of trees because so many of them were crucified by the Romans after the uprising . this is history - this has nothing to do with generational curses .

you cast out demons upon the authority of knowledge of a persons past or upon the name of Jesus ..
yes its the authority of the name of Jesus ONLY .
you can repeat to a devil over and over and over that you break this and break that and tell it to leave and it wont ..never did . but its when you command them in the name of Jesus that they go .
so ,save yourself a whole bunch of non scriptural doctrinal carry on .. and just command them in Jesus name .And they will Go .
the rest is just distraction .
only the unrepentant and thus unbaptized are still in Egypt . i never said people don't have them . i very much know they Do and when they are exposed must be driven out . we are commanded to drive them out .
but there is no need to " insert here " an entire doctrine that has no clear unambiguous scriptural basis
And please do not ever say that the LORD JESUS as our supreme example is a silly argument . it is he we are to become like . .
it made NO difference whether he knew the cause or manner by which a devil got in a person -- he just cast them out -period .he never "broke so called generational curses and we need not either .. because he is the end of all curses and in HIS NAME they must obey .

 

[Francis Drake]

you cast out demons upon the authority of knowledge of a persons past or upon the name of Jesus ..
yes its the authority of the name of Jesus ONLY .

Yet more straw man nonsense. I have been casting demons out of believers for the last 40 years or so, "in the name of Jesus"

you can repeat to a devil over and over and over that you break this and break that and tell it to leave and it wont ..never did . but its when you command them in the name of Jesus that they go .

Stop being so pompous, do you imagine you are the only one who knows this?

so ,save yourself a whole bunch of non scriptural doctrinal carry on .. and just command them in Jesus name .And they will Go .
the rest is just distraction .

Generational curses are visible throughout scripture. And yes obviously, the demons behind them need to be cast out in Jesus name.

only the unrepentant and thus unbaptized are still in Egypt .

Even those who had been baptised at the Red Sea crossing retained Egypt in their hearts. That's why they made the Golden Calf.
The same is true for countless baptised Christians.

i never said people don't have them . i very much know they Do and when they are exposed must be driven out . we are commanded to drive them out .

Agreed, we must cast them out, but its merely a question of how they got there. Understanding generational curses helps uncover them, and helps to ensure they don't return.

but there is no need to " insert here " an entire doctrine that has no clear unambiguous scriptural basis.

In your opinion.

And please do not ever say that the LORD JESUS as our supreme example is a silly argument . it is he we are to become like . .

Another silly straw man argument about things I never said.

 

[Alithis]

Yet more straw man nonsense. I have been casting demons out of believers for the last 40 years or so, "in the name of Jesus"

Stop being so pompous, do you imagine you are the only one who knows this?

Generational curses are visible throughout scripture. And yes obviously, the demons behind them need to be cast out in Jesus name.

Even those who had been baptised at the Red Sea crossing retained Egypt in their hearts. That's why they made the Golden Calf.
The same is true for countless baptised Christians.

Agreed, we must cast them out, but its merely a question of how they got there. Understanding generational curses helps uncover them, and helps to ensure they don't return.

In your opinion.

Another silly straw man argument about things I never said.

it is hardly my opinion that Jesus is the one we are to become like .its is direct scripture
if generational curses are so prevalent in scripture hen you can show them in both old and new testament for every biblical sound doctrine is in both.
\and there is no straw man . im not arguing im waiting for the doctrine of generational curses to be given a sound biblical basis . because as i said .it does not matter how a spirit got in a person .. it must obey the name of Jesus and come out and cant just wander back in unless they continue in sin. and if they do that they have not yet come to repentance and no amount of casting out devils will save them. they must apply and obey the gospel of the lord Jesus . also its not a straw man because you said Jesus did not have to go digging for generational curses because he already knew of them .. yet even while already knowing of them he did not on record say anything along those lines other then .. come out ! and it is in HIS name we also can do so .
so .. you can completely remove this doctrine and have the same result .


if you want a straw man i wil give you one - there is no scriptural "deliverance ministry "
or healing ministry ..it is all part and parcel of the gospel .so if its not based upon the preaching of the gospel -which is the power to save and the word save means all the above . then its a side show -some are even profiting from it quite nicely .- there ya go - enjoy the straw lol .

now back to the whole generational curse doctrine - give a sound biblical basis for it -convince me from the scripture using scripture in context .
i wil help you .. here is the only generational curse i can find that's valid
"by one man adam sin came "

and here is the salvation from that curse of sin... by one man, JESUS ........