My Jesus Challenge

[KWCrazy]

Please, don't be sorry for me. I'm very close to my Beloved God. I have a deep belief in God with an awareness of Christ that is not limited or bound to a single person or place but is Cosmic in nature as the Light of God reaches into the very fabric of this Creation.

That's all well and good, but since nobody comes to the Father but through the Son, how can you be sure your beloved God is close to you?
Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[AV1611VET]

You've got earthquakes and dead saints walking the street, yet no one seems to have witnessed any of that.

Au contraire.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[AV1611VET]

But he was the son of God only in the sense that each and every one of us is the son of God.

As we're fond of saying:

Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son.

As for the rest of us:

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[Zoness]

We can just read the Bible. We have the Holy Spirit of God to be our Teacher and our Guide. We do not need man to teach us. Even Moses 3500 years ago had all of God's plan of restoration & salvation. Nothing has been added to what we received from Moses. I use that as a check and balance to be sure we have a proper understanding of the New Testament. We may not have the understanding Paul had of the Old Testament but we can still understand well enough to know that our interpretation of the New Testament is accurate.

That's reasonable if you go from a pre-established conclusion that you think Christianity is true. If you do not automatically assume that, then you have to skeptically look at the Bible in a critical light. Not only it's contents but the political situation that established the Canon. I don't automatically grant these things any sort of special status, as I am skeptical of their claims and it's apparent to me that the logical thing to do would be to build a Canon that supported the existing biases of the councils about the character of Jesus, either to fulfill personal beliefs or for politically expedient reasons.

 

[dlamberth]

That's all well and good, but since nobody comes to the Father but through the Son, how can you be sure your beloved God is close to you?

I know because I get to see my Beloved God everywhere I turn.

As I look around, what I see are others of the various spiritual traditions who live just as much in the Grace and Life of God as do any Christian. What that tells me is that there is much more going on than the Christian One True Way.

But also, what about the "comes to the Father" part? I'd think that if that were a reality for Christians that for those folks they also would also be seeing God everywhere they turned. But that's not happening. It makes we wonder.

 

[dlamberth]

As we're fond of saying:

Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son.

As for the rest of us:

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

As others are fond of saying, all of Humanity is the Son of God because each and every one of us is God breathed. Personally I don't understand the limited scope and reach of that Light of God stuff that Christian find only in a person they call Jesus. But that's just me.

 

[AV1611VET]

What that tells me is that there is much more going on than the Christian One True Way.

I get that impression too.

That's why I'm supposed to be wearing my spiritual armor (Ephesians 6).

 

[AV1611VET]

Personally I don't understand the limited scope and reach of that Light of God stuff that Christian find only in a person they call Jesus. But that's just me.

Maybe your eyes are closed to the dark side of reality?

 

[dlamberth]

Maybe your eyes are closed to the dark side of reality?

God is my reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

As others are fond of saying, all of Humanity is the Son of God because each and every one of us is God breathed. Personally I don't understand the limited scope and reach of that Light of God stuff that Christian find only in a person they call Jesus. But that's just me.

When the Challenger blew up, did you see a tragegy? or did you see a beautiful fireworks display?

 

[AV1611VET]

God is my reality.

He is sovereign too.

 

[dlamberth]

I get that impression too.

That's why I'm supposed to be wearing my spiritual armor (Ephesians 6).

I've found in the spiritual life that I live that when I carried"spiritual armor" it was like a wall to the blessings of God. It got such that I felt like I was fearful of God even. I got so bottled up in perceived correct beliefs that I missed those opportunities that were placed right in front of me. So over time I shed my spiritual armor and now days I just run everything through a type of menu. My menu goes like this:

God/Truth can not be bought
God/Truth can not be sold
God/Truth is not paraphernalia
God/Truth is not extravagant claims
God/Truth is not the teacher
God/Truth is not money
God/Truth is not narcissistic
God/Truth is not phenomenon

 

[dlamberth]

When the Challenger blew up, did you see a tragegy? or did you see a beautiful fireworks display?

I saw God crying in our tears of loss.

 

[dlamberth]

He is sovereign too.

God is LIFE!!!

 

[joshua 1 9]

then you have to skeptically look at the Bible in a critical light.

You can read the skeptics Bible if you want. That is only one book. Every science book that has ever been written shows us how accurate and true the Bible is. Even properly understood the skeptics Bible proves the word of God is true. Because we are told in Romans 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient". So at the end when you are judged your glass alibi shatters before the throne of God and you have nothing to defend yourself. Even you fail to substantiate your logic and reasoning if your appeal is to the skeptics Bible.

Even if we were to allow you your one book. You have one book on your side of the scale and we have every science book ever written on the other side of the balance. Actually the study of language itself written or otherwise substantiates how accurate and true the Bible is. So the bottom line is that it all comes down to what is properly understood and what is not.

Science can claim to be agnostic. They can claim we do not know where all the natural laws and the laws of the universe and science comes from. They can not claim that the laws have always existed because now Science testifies that there was a beginning even a beginning of time itself at the big bang. So if you want to say there was a beginning then you prove the Bible true because the first word in the Bible is Beginning. If you want to say there was no beginning then you prove the Bible is true because God was in the Beginning and He has to beginning.

I am not going to get into a discussion of the duel nature of the universe. (Positive negative neutral) and that God is a singularity. 2Thes2 "11 For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.…"

 

[AV1611VET]

I've found in the spiritual life that I live that when I carried"spiritual armor" it was like a wall to the blessings of God.

The breastplate of righteousness is a "wall to the blessings of God" to you?

It got such that I felt like I was fearful of God even.

So am I.

Proverbs 9:10a The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom:

I got so bottled up in perceived correct beliefs that I missed those opportunities that were placed right in front of me.

You missed the incorrect beliefs?

So over time I shed my spiritual armor and now days I just run everything through a type of menu. My menu goes like this:

Rather than running around spiritually vulnerable with a menu, why don't you put that armor back on and dwell what Truth is, rather than what Truth isn't?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

God/Truth can not be bought
God/Truth can not be sold
God/Truth is not paraphernalia
God/Truth is not extravagant claims
God/Truth is not the teacher
God/Truth is not money
God/Truth is not narcissistic

That's like getting a menu at a restaurant that shows what they don't have, rather than what they do have.

 

[AV1611VET]

God is LIFE!!!

Yes, but not everyone has eternal life.

That's why He gave us the Great Commission.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

What do you think mission fields are?

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's like getting a menu at a restaurant that shows what they don't have, rather than what they do have.

Isn't that what happened when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?

 

[dlamberth]

The breastplate of righteousness is a "wall to the blessings of God" to you?

I wear a Heart full of Love.

So am I.

Proverbs 9:10a The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom:

I no longer fear God. God is my Love! Why would I fear Love?

You missed the incorrect beliefs?

I'm sorry, I'm not understand what your meaning here.

Rather than running around spiritually vulnerable with a menu, why don't you put that armor back on and dwell what Truth is, rather than what Truth isn't?

When I have God, why would I turn around and hide from Him behind beliefs and dogma and One True Wayism?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What do you think mission fields are?

I married my wife on the mission field so for me they are the land of opportunity.