ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[Saint Steven]

If you mean, do I feel guilty for not observing a set Saturday sabbath, no! Never have done. I have felt much guilt/remorse at much shortcomings in my life, but never that.

That proves that "breaking" the Sabbath is not sin for you. The Ten Commandments do not define sin.

 

[Saint Steven]

Let us not get stuck in the letter of the commandment. What was the intent of the fourth commandment? To meditate/contemplate on God and his goodness to you. To be thankful for what he has done, and does for you. Under the new covenant
The Holy Spirit dwells in believers. The Spirit of Christ is in them. Thanksgiving to God for what he does in believers lives should well up in them every day of their lives. Believers instinctively meditate on Father and Son every day of their lives, for they dwell in them through the Spirit. And believers are grateful every day for what God did for them by sending his son to die for them, and they praise him for it. The true intent of the fourth commandment is(or should be) upheld in born again believers every day, including Saturday.

As for the real question here:

Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20


Would a believer be conscious they sinned if they committed adultery? Through the law we become conscious of sin.

Would a believer be conscious they sinned if they stole something?

Through the law we become conscious of sin

Would a believer be conscious they sinned if they took the Lords name in vain?

Through the law we become conscious of sin.

Etc

Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

 

[corinth77777]

Hello brother corinth, nice to see you.

It is impossible for God's 4th commandment (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH) which is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of sin to be a Shadow law. There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that teaches this.

God's Sabbath was made as part of the finished work of creation before sin entered into the world and before any of God's laws and plan of salvation was given to man because mankind had never sinned and was in perfect harmony with God (Genesis 2:1-3).

If there was no sin, no laws, no plan of salvation given, then there is no shadow law. All the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law which was not given before sin. All the laws were given AFTER sin entered into the world not before.

This is why it is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a Shadow. It is simply a holy day that God set aside for mankind as a memorial of creation.

Does it not worry you brother that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of sin if broken?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

No it doesn't worry me because the veil has not blinded me. All of the Law is fulfilled in Christ.....New Covenant that means the Old is no longer once one comes to Faith.
The letter killeth that's why it bothers you.
The understanding has even became more clear to me.....So thanks for the Topic

 

[corinth77777]

Hello brother corinth, nice to see you.

It is impossible for God's 4th commandment (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH) which is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of sin to be a Shadow law. There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that teaches this.

God's Sabbath was made as part of the finished work of creation before sin entered into the world and before any of God's laws and plan of salvation was given to man because mankind had never sinned and was in perfect harmony with God (Genesis 2:1-3).

If there was no sin, no laws, no plan of salvation given, then there is no shadow law. All the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law which was not given before sin. All the laws were given AFTER sin entered into the world not before.

This is why it is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a Shadow. It is simply a holy day that God set aside for mankind as a memorial of creation.

Does it not worry you brother that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of sin if broken?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

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[James Richards]

Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

So do you disagree with the Apostle Paul? Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
You haven't addressed the point made, what is written in the law of the Ten Commandments(nine as written) is within the believer.
BTW
The written law was not given until sania, but knowledge of right and wrong/moral law was instinctively known once Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

 

[James Richards]

That proves that "breaking" the Sabbath is not sin for you. The Ten Commandments do not define sin.

I have not said the ten commandments solely define sin, and I have explained concerning the fourth commandment. You seem not to want to address or accept what is written to you, just ignore most of it, then respond as you do. Further conversation would be pointless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No it doesn't worry me because the veil has not blinded me. All of the Law is fulfilled in Christ.....New Covenant that means the Old is no longer once one comes to Faith.
The letter killeth that's why it bothers you.
The understanding has even became more clear to me.....So thanks for the Topic

Hello brother corinth, thanks for your thoughts.

All the law is fulfilled in Christ but it is Jesus and all the NEW TESTAMENT writers that say it is NOT abolished (Matthew 5:17-19) Love fulfills and establishes it in the life of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. This is the NEW COVENANT *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10.

Brother, you have your shadows laws that point to Jesus mixed up with God's eternal law that give us a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL and lead us to the Saviour. It looks like you have become confused by seeking answers from men instead of the Word of God.

Breaking any of God's Commandments is only a problem to those who continue to KNOWINGLY break it (James 2:8-12). None enter into God's KINGDOM by CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (Hebrews 10:26-27).

It does not worry me. It should worry you my brother if you choose to disregard God's LAW.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD

 

[discipler7]

It is, of course, possible that both the following are true:
- Jesus delivers us from the consequences of sin as revealed by the Law;
- The law has to come to an end as regards its role in ordering our lives.
You certainly appear to take the first truth - with which I agree, of course - and turn into an exegetical hammer with which you smash the second one to bits.
Surely you have to agree that the concept of serving has to do with our actions, not our state of salvation.

ROMANS.7 & 8 = 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. ...

7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

Only those who have salvation in Christ Jesus could serve in the newness of the Spirit.
....... Similarly, a worker needs to have the necessary qualifications before he/she could be hired by the Boss to serve.

The Word of God at ROMANS.7 & 8 says that born-again or Spirit-indwelled Jewish Christians who are in Christ Jesus serve the law of God that is written on their minds, in the newness of the Spirit = no condemnation = not condemned to hell.
....... In contrast, Jews who are under the Law(= the Old Testament) serve the law of sin that is written on books, in the oldness of the letter = are condemned to hell After Christ(= after the Cross in 33AD). But Before Christ, Jews were saved from hell by serving or keeping the Law.

No, the Law has not come to an end as regards its role in ordering our lives.
....... The Word of God at ACTS.15:24-29 says that new Spirit-indwelled Gentile Christians are still (newly and minimally.?)required by God to keep only 4 simple laws of Moses, ie abstain from eating blood, foods that have been offered to idols, strangled animal sacrifice and sexual immorality, so as not to burden them.(cf; 1CORINTHIANS.6:9-11)

Jesus Christ saves our sinful flesh/self from the condemnation of hell. He usually does not save us from the consequences of our intentional/willful sins, eg Christian murderers will also be executed and Christian adulterers will be punished/cursed.

 

[DamianWarS]

What are your thoughts? ARE God's 10 Commandments ABOLISHED like some think and no longer the standard for Christian living?

Not abolished, fulfilled, but we are not lawless we have Christ's law; the law is not our standard for Christian living, Christ is.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not abolished, fulfilled, but we are not lawless we have Christ's law; the law is not our standard for Christian living, Christ is.

Hello brother Damain nice to meet you and welcome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have some questions for you.

If Christ is our standard then can we break God's 10 Commandments?

If there is no law then how do we know what sin is when Paul says this is the purpose of God's law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Damian.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

 

[Saint Steven]

So do you disagree with the Apostle Paul? Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
You haven't addressed the point made, what is written in the law of the Ten Commandments(nine as written) is within the believer.
BTW
The written law was not given until sania, but knowledge of right and wrong/moral law was instinctively known once Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

We are mostly in agreement. Yes, the law makes us conscious of sin. But not every law applies. In fact we don't even need to approach life as if we were under the law.

That's how I define the term "God's law". The law of human conscience that we acquired through the Fall in the garden.

Romans 2:13-15
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

 

[Saint Steven]

The title "the Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the New Testament.
Yes, it's that important.

- The gospel writers did not use the term.
- It does not appear in the Acts of the Apostles.
- Nor the book of Romans.
- None of the epistles names the Ten as a group.
- The only exception is a reference to the ministry that brought death
which was "engraved in letters on stone". (the TCs) The transitory ministry
of condemnation that has no glory now. The letter of the law that kills.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
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And yes, I have heard the counter-argument. That all the Ten Commandments are found in the New Testament. I've been through the list. Just a lot of fluff, provided for those who want to believe it, for those who will not check the references to see what is and isn't there.

The law is a singular thing.
You are either under all of it, or you are under none of it.

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

 

[DamianWarS]

Hello brother Damain nice to meet you and welcome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have some questions for you.

If Christ is our standard then can we break God's 10 Commandments?

If there is no law then how do we know what sin is when Paul says this is the purpose of God's law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Damian.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

breaking a law implies we are under that law. we are not under it so we cannot break it. There is a system of law that has been fulfilled and we may still use that system to point to salvation and holiness or to expose our separation from God, however ultimately it points to Christ and it is Christ whom we should look to as the law itself cannot save. Christ's law of course has overlap but the overlap doesn't cement the old system as one that is continuous, it is fulfilled, not abolished, not discarded, but fulfilled. If I go to school and graduate I may retake the classes if I really want but there is no compulsion in doing so or really any benefit because I already have the credentials. I haven't thrown them away or curse them but rather use them to move to the next step. We are under Christ's law which has been shaped by the old covenant, but it is not the old covenant so we do not follow it.

 

[drich0150]

Hello brother drich0150, thanks for your post and thoughts and nice to see you again.

Yes I have indeed read what was on the page. I have posted nothing different to what you have posted above and agree with what you have posted. I have been sharing the same thoughts throughout this thread (e.g. CLCIK ME HERE).

No one is "UNDER THE LAW" once they have forgivness through faith, because they have been forgiven and are no longer condemned by the law as the law has done it's job in leading us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith.

The purpose of God's LAW is only to reveal sin. It is only those who sin who fall under the laws jurisdiction and condemnation (Romans 3:19). Walking in the Spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16; 25) and is why we need to be "Born again" * 1 John 3:9 to LOVE which is the NEW COVENANTS promise (Hebrews 8:10-12). Love is the fulfilling and establishing of the law in the heart of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (Romans 13:8-12' Romans 3:31).

Nice post brother thanks for sharing.

Nice to see someone get to your same understand, with a completely different starting point.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The title "the Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the New Testament.
Yes, it's that important.

- The gospel writers did not use the term.
- It does not appear in the Acts of the Apostles.
- Nor the book of Romans.
- None of the epistles names the Ten as a group.

Hi Steve nice to see you again.

So your argument now is that because the words "The 10 Commandments" is not used in the new Testament therefore the scripture that say God's commandments or God's LAW cannot be talking about the 10 commandments?

There are many different laws discussed in the bible.

-Ceremoniall law,
-Mosaic law,
-God's law
-Law of the Spirit
-Civil law
-Levitical laws
-Sanitary laws
-Dietry laws

So how do we know what laws are discussed in scripture when any of these laws are discussed in God's WORD under law or commandment? It is very easy. What is the topic of conversation and the within scripture and chapter context of discussion.

Now you your argument here is because the words "the Ten Commandments" are not being used in the NEW TESTAMENT therefore "the ten commandments" are not referred to in the NEW TESTAMENT. Let's test your claim if this is true or false...

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Now here PAUL is talking about "THE LAW". Now what law are we talking about? As you say the words "the Ten Commandments" are not being used. Is the scripture talking about the 10 Commandments? What is the within scripture context and topic of conversation?

" I HAD NOT KNOWN WHAT SIN WAS EXCEPT BY THE LAW; for I had not know lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

Now what law says; YOU SHALL NOT COVET?

EXODUS 20:17 [17] YOU SHALL NOT COVET your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbor's.

Woops there it is. The LAW PAUL is talking about is?

THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. Paul is saying he did not know what sin was until God's 10th Commandment said you shall not Covet.

Guess that argument did not work out to well for you Steve? No more room to wiggle.

Just beause the words "the Ten Commandments" are not used in the NEW TESTAMENT does not not mean the writers of the NEW TESTAMENT are not talking about the Ten Commandments when they are referring to God's LAW and quoting the Ten Commandments.

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JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS .
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Now which law is JAMES talking about when he is referncing God's LAW of LOVE to our neighbore? Jesus and Paul say on these two commandments [Love to God and Love to Man] hand all the LAW and the prophets. Paul says in Romans 13:9 that LOVE somes up the first 5-10 of God's 10 Commandments. Now in James 2:9-11 God's WORD says that in v10 if we keep ALL of the law but break one then we stand guilty before God as if we have broken them all. What laws is James using as his example? DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY and DO NOT KILL.

Same question again. What LAW is DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY and DO NOT KILL?

EXODUS 20:14 [13] You shall not KILL
EXODUS 20:14 [14] You shall not commit adultery.

Yep there they are they are James is talking about "the Ten Commandments" James is quoting the 6th and 7th Commandment from the 10 Commandments. Once again just beause the words "the Ten Commandments" are not used in the NEW TESTAMENT does not not mean the writers of the NEW TESTAMENT are not talking about the Ten Commandments when they are referring to God's LAW and quoting the Ten Commandments.

..............

Maybe one more example? There are many more examples but let's use one more from Paul to save time time.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: FOR HE THAT HAS LOVED ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Yep here is that term "the LAW" being used again. Now what law are we talking about this time? What is the within scripture and chapter topic of conversation? It is God's 2nd great commandments of LOVE that Jesus says all the law and the prophets hang (Matthew 22:36-40). Paul says that this law sums up the 5th to 10th Commandments of our duty of LOVE to our neighbore, quoting that You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet. Paul says that the 2nd great commandments are summing up these laws to our neighbore v9. What law is the topic of discussion? Where are these laws found in God's WORD?

EXODUS 20:12 Honor your father and your mother
EXODUS 20:13, You shall not kill.
EXODUS 20:14, You shall not commit adultery.
EXODUS 20:15, You shall not steal.
EXODUS 20:16, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
EXODUS 20:17, You shall not covet

No doubt about it Paul's reference to "the LAW" here again is...

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

Just beause the words "the Ten Commandments" are not used in the NEW TESTAMENT does not not mean the writers of the NEW TESTAMENT are not talking about the Ten Commandments when they are referring to God's LAW and quoting the Ten Commandments.

Now Steve, you do not really believe that the scriptures are not talking abour the TEN COMMANDMENTS now do you when the topic of conversation in relation to "the LAW" is the 10 Commandment? No more wiggling please.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
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I know we have talked before and you interpret this as God's 10 Commandments being abolished. Yet the scriptures do not say or teach this. They are not saying God's Ten Commandments are abolished they are saying we are in the NEW COVENANT and the letter of the LAW is now in the SPIRIT of the law and the letter on stone has been transferred to the fleshly tables of the heart through faith that works by LOVE in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. I am happy to share a verse by verse study on 2 COR 3 but I do not think you will consider it. If you want to have a friendly discussion here with me on 2 Corinthians 3 let me know and we can share the scriptures together in a bit more detail?

And yes, I have heard the counter-argument. That all the Ten Commandments are found in the New Testament. I've been through the list. Just a lot of fluff, provided for those who want to believe it, for those who will not check the references to see what is and isn't there.

I sugges to all that you check the references all of God's LAW (10 commandments) are repeated all through the NEW TESTAMENT. Maybe I will post some of the scriptures here.

GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT LINKED CLICK ME

The law is a singular thing.
You are either under all of it, or you are under none of it.

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

No one is under the law if they are not guilty before God of breaking it. If you are breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments) however you are under the law condemned and stand guilty before God of breaking it. Happy to discuss this in detail if you wish? Just let me know?

1 Timothy 1:8-11
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Indeed. The purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUENESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 JOhn 3:4; Psalms 119:172) We are not made rightoeus by it. God's LAW is our teacher that shows us our need of a Savior that we can be forgiven by Faith.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[DamianWarS]

There are many different laws discussed in the bible.

-Ceremoniall law,
-Mosaic law,
-God's law
-Law of the Spirit
-Civil law
-Levitical laws
-Sanitary laws
-Dietry laws

the context of the word would be "torah" and it would be inclusive of the first 5 books of the bible regardless how you want to divide them up.

 

[James Richards]

We are mostly in agreement. Yes, the law makes us conscious of sin. But not every law applies. In fact we don't even need to approach life as if we were under the law.

That's how I define the term "God's law". The law of human conscience that we acquired through the Fall in the garden.

Romans 2:13-15
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Yes we are mostly in agreement, as I have noticed from reading previous posts of yours. It is a good observation that the term 'ten commandments' is not written in the NT. Why not? Because under the core terms of the New Covenant, it is placed in your heart not to want to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, take Gods name in vain etc. It is a part of who we are as Christians. It is futile to tell people they must concentrate on the letter of what is in their minds and hearts, and that they in their hearts want to follow, a totally pointless exercise. Do we perfectly obey the law placed within us? No, for none are perfect, but we do have a conscience when we wilfully go against how we in our hearts know we should live and want to live. No licence to sin for those born again under grace!
God bless

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes we are mostly in agreement, as I have noticed from reading previous posts of yours. It is a good observation that the term 'ten commandments' is not written in the NT. Why not? Because under the core terms of the New Covenant, it is placed in your heart not to want to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, take Gods name in vain etc. It is a part of who we are as Christians. It is futile to tell people they must concentrate on the letter of what is in their minds and hearts, a totally pointless exercise. Do we perfectly obey the law placed within us? No, for none are perfect, but we do have a conscience when we wilfully go against how we in our hearts know we should live and want to live. No licence to sin for those born again under grace!
God bless

Are you claiming that the Ten Commandments are the law that is written on our hearts?

I think the Sabbath commandment is one proof that the Ten Commandments are not for us gentiles. The Sabbath, like the Ten were only given to the Israelites through Moses. Not to us.

 

[James Richards]

Are you claiming that the Ten Commandments are the law that is written on our hearts?

I think the Sabbath commandment is one proof that the Ten Commandments are not for us gentiles. The Sabbath, like the Ten were only given to the Israelites through Moses. Not to us.

I would ask you this.
In your heart do you believe it is ok to commit adultery, or do you believe in your heart it would grieve God if you did that?
In your heart do you believe it would grieve God if you stole?
In your heart would you think it is ok to take the Lords name in vain?
In your heart do you believe it is OK to bear false witness?

If you know in your mind those things are wrong for Christians to do, and in your heart you do not want to do them, doesn't that answer the question?

 

[discipler7]

And yes, I have heard the counter-argument. That all the Ten Commandments are found in the New Testament. I've been through the list. Just a lot of fluff, provided for those who want to believe it, for those who will not check the references to see what is and isn't there.

MATTHEW.19: = Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”