A question for flat earth people

[SeventyOne]

My point is that at this point the number of people, governments, private companies, public companies, is so vast to be absurd to think at this point that they are all in cahoots and keeping the nature of the shape of the earth a secret. It’s the height of lunacy to be at such a conspiracy theorist level as that.

Again, nobody on the FE side has ever actually been able to explain why all these people, governments, public companies, private companies, etc... are actually all in on deceiving the everyday person. It makes utterly no sense.

Because your assumption is ridiculous. All you need is a bunch of people who think what they've been told to believe all their lives is actually the truth who also are too intellectually lazy to legitimately investigate other options.

Believe me, there's a whole lot of that.

 

[A_Thinker]

Except, we know what happens when you spin a wet tennis ball... right?

Is this not why Neil The Grass Dyson calls the shape of the earth an Oblate Spheroid? It bulges a bit at the equator... Or is the centrifugal force of the earth, spinning , deemed negligible?

A tennis ball doesn't have much mass, and thus, not much gravitational attraction. Therefore, ... it can't hold its water.

The earth does bulge a bit at the equator. Not so much that you can tell, of course.

 

[A_Thinker]

When you see numerous sources of footage from much higher with the earth totally flat and even see the horizon fluctuating in that video indicating a normal lens wasn't being used, it's reasonable to conclude the curve we are shown in that video doesn't exist as it's presented.

It's already deceptive on purpose. As to why he's saying what he's saying, only he can answer that, but he makes it a point to point out the shape, so it's easy to conclude it was purposely on his mind.

When I see the image fluctuating like that, I conclude that the image is not reliable. A lot of the weather balloon footage is like that. I assume that it is because the lens is not held steady.

In any case, when the image is flat one minute, concave the next, and convex after that ... you really can't come to an accurate conclusion.

 

[A_Thinker]

Because your assumption is ridiculous. All you need is a bunch of people who think what they've been told to believe all their lives is actually the truth who also are too intellectually lazy to legitimately investigate other options.

It would be MORE than people believing what they've been told. It would require the cooperation of the heads of the space exploration teams of 16 nations to collude together to deceive the entire population of the world. It would require fifty years of thousands of individuals not coming forward to expose what they know to be a lie.

Something to consider. The major achievements of the U.S. space exploration effort occurred during the high point of the Cold War between the US and the USSR. Why wouldn't the USSR expose that purported US efforts in that regard had all been a hoax ... or why wouldn't the US expose the USSR ?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Even if Gravity was what they say.... the water, in all the oceans, should be concentrated around the equator..

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NO! And for you to assert this shows why you keep rejecting ordinary logic.

 

[SeventyOne]

It would be MORE than people believing what they've been told. It would require the cooperation of the heads of the space exploration teams of 16 nations to collude together to deceive the entire population of the world. It would require fifty years of thousands of individuals not coming forward to expose what they know to be a lie.

Here's an example. A picture during an interview with ISS peeps and Boise State. Supposedly these people are floating on the ISS when an crew member goes 'floating' by in the background. The problem is they didn't CGI out the wire and harness. Obviously they aren't on the ISS if there is a wire and pulley system.

Who is calling them out from the inside? How many turncoats do they have? Almost none, yet a number of people have to be involved to put this together. All the while, employees and contractors are being told they are doing something for the benefit of the ISS, and they believe it to be true.

The point is that it does happen, and agencies and people involved do lie, while even those involved in the process remain clueless to the nature of the lie.

Here's a link to one of the videos with the full motion clip. It starts at about 24 seconds.

Something to consider. The major achievements of the U.S. space exploration effort occurred during the high point of the Cold War between the US and the USSR. Why wouldn't the USSR expose that purported US efforts in that regard had all been a hoax ... or why wouldn't the US expose the USSR ?

Why would they do that and expose themselves in the process?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Except, we know what happens when you spin a wet tennis ball... right?

Is this not why Neil The Grass Dyson calls the shape of the earth an Oblate Spheroid? It bulges a bit at the equator... Or is the centrifugal force of the earth, spinning , deemed negligible?

But the land as well as the water settle into the appropriate shape over the billions of years so that water is not suddenly, newly, slung to the equator. The dirt and the water have equal rights to the level as appropriate given the size and the rotation of the earth.

 

[A_Thinker]

Here's an example. A picture during an interview with ISS peeps and Boise State. Supposedly these people are floating on the ISS when an crew member goes 'floating' by in the background. The problem is they didn't CGI out the wire and harness. Obviously they aren't on the ISS if there is a wire and pulley system.

I don't see a wire. I only see an short extension from a belt or something similar. The short extension is not even straight ... as one would expect if it were suspending the weight of a man.

 

[A_Thinker]

Something to consider. The major achievements of the U.S. space exploration effort occurred during the high point of the Cold War between the US and the USSR. Why wouldn't the USSR expose that purported US efforts in that regard had all been a hoax ... or why wouldn't the US expose the USSR ?

Why would they do that and expose themselves in the process?

At some point, the US was challenged as to the claimed achievements of the USSR in space.

Why, rather than simply expose the duplicity of their enemy, ... would the US embark upon its own program to deceive its people ?

 

[SeventyOne]

I don't see a wire. I only see an short extension from a belt or something similar. The short extension is not even straight ... as one would expect if it were suspending the weight of a man.

Ok. The wire is clearly visible, but I can't make you see it for yourself.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

So ... I get these results ...

gravitational force of the sun upon the 500 grams at noon is .3021427 grams

gravitational force of the sun upon the 500 grams at midnight is .3020907 grams

The difference is .000052 grams

These numbers are still wrong. Just in case you haven't got them, we should agree (from the website you linked), that force on the 500g object from the Earth is 4.932N, and force on the object from the sun is 0.003N. This means that at mid-day, the object should have an apparent weight of 4.929N, and at mid-night, an apparent weight of 4.935N.

Converting these weights to masses via F = m.a (using a constant scale factor of 9.81ms-2 for the scale), gives mass readings of 502.446g, and 503.058g, between mid-day and mid-night. The difference is approximately 0.6g, but is not observed. If gravity were real, it should be, every 24 hours.

I hold that the apparent mass does not change, because the theory of gravity is wrong. The sun and moon are a lot smaller and closer to Earth than heliocentrism preaches, and it is not gravity that holds them in their courses.

On a second glance, I think that your approach is more correct than mine, as it posits the sun LIGHTENING the weight at noon, while making the weight HEAVIER at mid night.

However ... I finally found a physical discussion of the question which you may be interested in ...

https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...-day-and-slightly-heavier-at-night-owing-to-t

You're welcome, although this is less a physical discussion I'm interested in, and more a disproof of the theory of gravity.

I note in the link that there are lots of suggestions of why the theory may not work, but these seem inconsistent with the other aspects of the theory of gravity (e.g. if Earth is in free-fall so weights remain the same, how can gravity be used to explain the tides?)

There are plenty of holes in the theory of heliocentricity (e.g. all experiments to prove Earth is moving have provided evidence consistent with it being still, the failure of the gravity formula to explain why object weight doesn't change with time of day), just as there are some holes in the theory of Flat Earth. However, the so-called scientists of the day don't want to admit the holes in heliocentric theory, as they don't want people to believe there are reasonable alternatives.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

It would be MORE than people believing what they've been told. It would require the cooperation of the heads of the space exploration teams of 16 nations to collude together to deceive the entire population of the world. It would require fifty years of thousands of individuals not coming forward to expose what they know to be a lie.

Something to consider. The major achievements of the U.S. space exploration effort occurred during the high point of the Cold War between the US and the USSR. Why wouldn't the USSR expose that purported US efforts in that regard had all been a hoax ... or why wouldn't the US expose the USSR ?

Obviously you have never heard of compartmentalisation?

At some point, the US was challenged as to the claimed achievements of the USSR in space.

Why, rather than simply expose the duplicity of their enemy, ... would the US embark upon its own program to deceive its people ?

You don't think they're batting for the same team? How would Communism have ever survived, if the US hadn't been propping it up the whole way through?

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Again, nobody on the FE side has ever actually been able to explain why all these people, governments, public companies, private companies, etc... are actually all in on deceiving the everyday person. It makes utterly no sense.

Why did Satan rebel against God? It doesn't make sense. He's damned to failure, the same as his servants who lie on his behalf. But whatever their reasons, and whatever sense they don't make, the fact remains that there is a conspiracy, and the conspirators keep getting caught out with their lies.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

I just had a thought, if Earth is flat shouldn’t we be able to dig a thin hole deep enough to poke through it?

I don't think they can dig very deep. I think the deepest bore hole is in the order of 12km, and deepest mine about 4km. In theory, if the ancient diagrams are right, digging a hole too deep may bore right through to Sheol, so (if these diagrams were right), it would make sense for God to make it impenetrable (same as the firmament).

I think this may be a little beyond what scripture describes, so I'm not dogmatic about it, but I do think the ancient people may have known more about most things than man today.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't see a wire. I only see an short extension from a belt or something similar. The short extension is not even straight ... as one would expect if it were suspending the weight of a man.

I don't see a wire either, and that "harness" looks more like a utility belt, which would be very handy for carrying things around when you need your hands free to navigate your way around. But the FE people are gonna see what they want to see. That's the problem with their "investigating". They go into it with a focus on seeing whatever aligns with their set point of view. That's why they'll never change their minds.

 

[SPF]

Why did Satan rebel against God? It doesn't make sense. He's damned to failure, the same as his servants who lie on his behalf. But whatever their reasons, and whatever sense they don't make, the fact remains that there is a conspiracy, and the conspirators keep getting caught out with their lies.

So basically you're acknowledging that it doesn't make any sense as to why governments, private companies, public companies, weather stations, and thousands of private citizens would actually keep this conspiracy going - yet they do!

It also doesn't make sense that governments would be so willing to bring private citizens into the secret. I think of James May, the presenter on Top Gear. I watched him for over 10 years and the other presenters. He's just an ordinary guy who likes cars. Yet, thanks to the U2 episode, he's now in on the secret of the flat earth. Really? You think the governments are that willy-nilly about bringing people in?

I think it is much more plausible that the earth is round, especially since nobody can actually explain why this conspiracy even exists in the first place. How does this benefit the planet? I think it's nothing short of an asinine theory.

 

[Aldebaran]

It also doesn't make sense that governments would be so willing to bring private citizens into the secret. I think of James May, the presenter on Top Gear. I watched him for over 10 years and the other presenters. He's just an ordinary guy who likes cars. Yet, thanks to the U2 episode, he's now in on the secret of the flat earth. Really? You think the governments are that willy-nilly about bringing people in?

If the earth were flat and these governments really wanted to keep it a secret, they would greatly restrict travel by the people. Methods of transportation such as airplanes would be something forbidden by the common man/woman. People being transported by plane would be in windowless planes so they couldn't see out. Private aviation certainly wouldn't exist. And upcoming things like space tourism would be out of the question, and yet 5 private companies are getting ready to do it: https://singularityhub.com/2018/05/...-and-beyond/#sm.0001badoumqj3dvjw6g1wggrmnbb9

Kinda funny how the governments of the world aren't doing everything in their power to put a stop to this before people other than government conspirators get to see it all for themselves.

 

[SPF]

If the earth were flat and these governments really wanted to keep it a secret, they would greatly restrict travel by the people. Methods of transportation such as airplanes would be something forbidden by the common man/woman. People being transported by plane would be in windowless planes so they couldn't see out. Private aviation certainly wouldn't exist. And upcoming things like space tourism would be out of the question, and yet 5 private companies are getting ready to do it: https://singularityhub.com/2018/05/...-and-beyond/#sm.0001badoumqj3dvjw6g1wggrmnbb9

Kinda funny how the governments of the world aren't doing everything in their power to put a stop to this before people other than government conspirators get to see it all for themselves.

With regards to the space tourism, obviously the FE proponents will explain that one of two things are occurring:

1) The space flights are faked and these private companies are actually all in on the ploy and are employing hundreds of people to accomplish the fakeout who are all in agreement for reasons nobody on the planet knows to keep it a secret.

2) The people on the flights have all decided to get in bed with the hoax themselves.

If things keep on going like they are, eventually the entire world will be in on the hoax.

 

[Aldebaran]

With regards to the space tourism, obviously the FE proponents will explain that one of two things are occurring:

1) The space flights are faked and these private companies are actually all in on the ploy and are employing hundreds of people to accomplish the fakeout who are all in agreement for reasons nobody on the planet knows to keep it a secret.

2) The people on the flights have all decided to get in bed with the hoax themselves.

If things keep on going like they are, eventually the entire world will be in on the hoax.

With only the FE people left knowing what's going on. Then they can say that bible prophecy was fulfilled in that the entire world has been deceived while they themselves know the truth--told by countless Youtube videos.

 

[JacksBratt]

So what you’re suggesting is that James May, a normal citizen in England and host of a car show was brought into the secret of a flat earth by the United States and was told to lie to people about what he saw?

Really? That’s what you think?! Complete lunacy.

Complete "lunacy" would have been for him to come down and proclaim that he saw the flat earth... when the video shows a fake curve....

Just what do you think that this one guy would accomplish other than losing his job, losing viewers to his show...losing any credibility.....

Seriously.. you should really look at the testimony of a solid Christian man, researcher, videographer, author, Keynote speaker (Rob Skiba) and see what happened to him:

1/ When he simply went public with his belief in end trib rapture

and, later, after that..

2/ He came out and proclaimed that it is his belief, based on many observations of his own, that the earth is flat.....


Then.... watch how Christ has, since, brought him out of close to being bankrupt... to where he is today.

He knew that this would happen. He knew that he would be destroyed by the critiques... but... he still did it..

Not many will and this guy, in the video, is most certainly well aware of those consequences.