Who really goes to Hell?

[ColdSummer]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

 

[“Paisios”]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

I think that you need another response to your poll that says “we cannot know who is saved”, and trust in God, Who is Love, and Who is merciful, that things will work out.

(I think that my conception of God is far too small, and that in my sinfulness and humanity, can never understand the greatness that He is...His Love, His Wisdom, all of His essential attributes...and therefore I cannot begin to think that I can approve, disapprove, or even truly understand what He does...and can only cry out, “Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner”.)

 

[Petros2015]

John 5 21:23

21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Before anyone goes to Hell, they go to Christ. Christ is the judge of where they go after. If they haven't met him before, they'll meet him then.

 

[ColdSummer]

John 5 21:23

21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Before anyone goes to Hell, they go to Christ. Christ is the judge of where they go after. If they haven't met him before, they'll meet him then.

But what if they technically met Him before, such as person A, through the missionary? If that was the case, and if they just went to Hell right after, to me it feels like the whole idea of missionary would sound somewhat counterproductive, since realistically the part of people who actually give up their false religion and accept Christ is absolute minority there.

But either way, (John 5:21-23) you've quote definitely does bring some insight in the issue. Perhaps it could be that 'meeting' Christ in this verse means, in fact, accepting Him? And thus the second chance after this short journey 'down' here?

 

[Call me Nic]

God is no respecter of persons (Romans 2:11, Acts of the Apostles 10:34), and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) thereby earning for themselves the death penalty for transgression against the law of God (Romans 5:12, Romans 6:23, Revelation 21:8).

We all deserve hell, and it's not God's fault at all. Yet God loves us and provides the solution to us as the free gift of life through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:8), who loved us, and gave himself for us (Galatians 2:20).

 

[A_Thinker]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

I really believe that God will grant adequate knowledge of Himself to all who truly have a heart for Him.

I see it more like one's search for a soul-mate. You may not know their name, ... but you know the characteristics you are looking for.

I think that those who truly value the love, peace, faith, etc. that God provides ... will learn of Him ... for these are those who God wishes to draw to Him.

I don't believe that God is inhibited by earthly circumstances. Christian converts from non-christian cultures report God giving them dreams, visions, etc.

Also, I do not believe in eternal conscious torment (ECT) for those will choose to live without God. I believe that annihilation/death more consistently fits the testimony of scripture.

 

[Call me Nic]

But what if they technically met Him before, such as person A, through the missionary? If that was the case, and if they just went to Hell right after, to me it feels like the whole idea of missionary would sound somewhat counterproductive, since realistically the part of people who actually give up their false religion and accept Christ is absolute minority there.

But either way, (John 5:21-23) you've quote definitely does bring some insight in the issue. Perhaps it could be that 'meeting' Christ in this verse means, in fact, accepting Him? And thus the second chance after this short journey 'down' here?

Romans 1 says very clearly that all are aware of and know about the truth of the Godhead, and that the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness. Not to mention, God gave us a conscience to bear witness of the accountability we have unto God, knowing right from wrong, good against evil, etc.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I think that you need another response to your poll that says “we cannot know who is saved”, and trust in God, Who is Love, and Who is merciful, that things will work out.

(I think that my conception of God is far too small, and that in my sinfulness and humanity, can never understand the greatness that He is...His Love, His Wisdom, all of His essential attributes...and therefore I cannot begin to think that I can approve, disapprove, or even truly understand what He does...and can only cry out, “Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner”.)

+1

I will never judge, not particular individuals nor in caustics. Judgement is, was and will forever be a matter for God alone.

We know what we've been told through scripture and tradition, then in the end it's for God to decide.
We're the work of his hands, I'm sure he knows what's best.

 

[abysmul]

That question is above all our pay grades... Christ alone will make that decision... based in part on the decisions of each individual in question.

 

[bcbsr]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

People go to hell, not because they didn't hear the gospel, but because they sinned. Those who haven't come to believe in Christ will be judged by their works which will found to fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). Those who have accept the grace inherent in the gospel will be given a pass, their sins being forgiven.

 

[Greg J.]

Regardless of the results, all God's judgments are just—or more loving and merciful than "just."

He will be a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment, ... (Isaiah 28:6a, 1984 NIV) (God's judgments are just—also in John 5:30, Revelation 16:5, 7, & 9.)

When our sense of justice is different than God's, then it is due to our ignorance and alterations of our sense of justice by sin.

People who are born of Adam, that is, not born again in Christ, are disconnected from the Source of eternal life. It is not their fault based on their choices or actions—they are born that way, but it is their parent's fault and their parent's fault before them, etc. It is only those who believe in and have yielded to God who won't get what their nature demands. When we are older and choose to sin, we proclaim that we agree with our ancestor's choice to sin—sharing in their sin. We lose the ability to logically complain about their sin; now we have to point the finger at ourselves.

God has been trying to explain our situation to us for millenia, but people don't want to hear it. It didn't used to be the case that people didn't believe in God nor knew who was God. Human decisions have resulted in not passing on this essential information, such that it has gotten worse and worse over the centuries. Now we are in a situation of man's making and we feel like complaining that God isn't fair, but that's not the situation at all. The situation is that humans have not been sharing the truth and actually share lies now as if they were truth. They share wrongful ideas like "God isn't just" or "Jesus isn't the only way" instead of telling people their real situation. (Rhetorically to any reader: are you a part of the problem or part of the solution?) Jesus is the only way, because we need someone to intervene and solve our enormous problem for us, because those tainted by sin can't save people tainted by sin.

for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” (Romans 10:13-15, 1984 NIV)

Aaaand, to this very moment God is trying to tell people their situation, that they need a savior, and that he loves them and paid that debt for them, and that they need to yield to him so He he has the moral right to give them a rebirth. But most people don't care, don't believe him, or don't even believe he exists. Not only is that not God's fault, but he is doing everything he can to fight that situation without interfering with our ability and right that he gave us to choose or reject God.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, ... (Romans 1:28a, 1984 NIV)

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 Corinthians 10:5, 1984 NIV)

One of the greatest things God ever did was to make us in his image, and a big part of that was that we are sentient and get to make choices for ourselves. Just like God, the consequences of our actions affect us and everybody near to us. He's not going to alter our ability to choose freely, because he didn't do anything wrong in creating us, and indeed actually did something awesome. Jesus even leaned on the argument that we are gods (in John 10:34).

“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ (Psalms 82:6, 1984 NIV)

All our problems are due to humans. It is an emergency world pandemic! People altered their whole lives to avoid getting infected with the Black Death around Y1350 (which killed ~20% of the people on earth). God has told us everything we need to do to save ourselves and others, but nearly all humans are rejecting that. Whose fault is that?

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31, 1984 NIV)

 

[drjean]

At one time the WHOLE WORLD knew of Jesus 'directly'.

Romans 10:18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."​

God says HE puts the knowledge of His existence into each person (so they are without excuse.)

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding.​

Rejection of Christ does send a person to hell. But there are varying degrees of punishment.

John 19:11-12
Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
​

There is only hope for those, after the rapture, who accept Christ during the tribulation and survive physically... (possibly there is no indwelling of the Holy Spirit at that time, thus the requirement to not die before redemption takes place)

 

[Albion]

Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick'...
What do you guys think?

First, we do not know for certain what God plans in every situation. However, the Bible seems to teach that those people will be lost. That's all we have to go by, and God did not give us his revelation so that, in this life, we could know everything that there is to know.

Therefore, I do not say that they are lost; I say that the Bible teaches that they are lost...and let it go at that. It isn't up to us to judge anyway.

This is also true and should be part of the answer:

People go to hell, not because they didn't hear the gospel, but because they sinned. Those who haven't come to believe in Christ will be judged by their works which will found to fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). Those who have accept the grace inherent in the gospel will be given a pass, their sins being forgiven.

​

 

[Petros2015]

But what if they technically met Him before

I've read the gospels and Christ does not seem to me to be one who condemns on technicalities.

If anything, he saves on them.

Matthew 25

34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

 

[1213]

...I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

I think that Bible tells eternal life is for righteous. The judgment is about, is person righteous or not.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

It is possible that people who don’t know about Jesus, can be counted righteous, if:

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified (for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying with them, and their thoughts among themselves accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Romans 2:12-16

But if person is righteous, it means for example this:

…and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
Ps. 15:2

A righteous man hates lies,…
Pro. 13:5

 

[dreadnought]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

First, you need to understand what hell is. I believe you will find hell is the consequences of our sin. How do you escape? By repenting.

 

[Charlie Mankin]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

Let me first say that the question is flawed. We live in a delusion, we live in a prison that we are all born into. We are NOT FLESH AND BLOOD........ For if you had memory from whence thou has fallen you might have opportunity to return.
I knew you before the womb, You were conceived in SIN!
Meaning the very act of conception is sinful. Lust that must take place inorder for the enemy to reproduce is sinful.
What was the fall in the garden? LUST!
What does The FATHER hate the most? LUST!
there are many many forms of lust, however the lust of the world, the pride of life, the lust of the eyes are not of the father, they are of the world.
Open your eyes brothers and sisters......
You are born in to servitude, bondagae unto the elements of the world.
When the wicked one took our KING up on the high peak and showed him his kingdoms, And said what? Only bow to me and I will give thee all these.
So by definition they belonged too and thus were created by whom? YOU TAKE PART IN A WORLD OF DECEPTION. A PRISON. Whats sole intent is to keep you in it and in bondage and destroy your souls.
Awaken thou sleeper and fight!
So I proffer you this. Walk not in the flesh or the lusts of the world or take part in it willingly.
Separate yourselves and seek you spiritual things and live.
I love you all in CHRIST JESUS NAME, but the false gospel is much large in size then the fleshly mind can deal with.

When you hear our KING JESUS CHRIST TELL YOU THAT NO FLESH IS RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF THE FATHER, I ASK YOU THIS...... DOES THE GOD OF SPIRITS CREATE ANYTHING UNRIGHTEOUS? NO!
Your in bondage and you have to come to grips with this truth. HELL IS REAL, THE ENEMY IS REAL, HIS EMISSARIES ARE REAL AND YOU ARE BLIND, DEATH AND SLEEP!
WAKE UP! FIGHT!

 

[Percivale]

Let me first say that the question is flawed. We live in a delusion, we live in a prison that we are all born into. We are NOT FLESH AND BLOOD........ For if you had memory from whence thou has fallen you might have opportunity to return.
I knew you before the womb, You were conceived in SIN!
Meaning the very act of conception is sinful. Lust that must take place inorder for the enemy to reproduce is sinful.
What was the fall in the garden? LUST!
What does The FATHER hate the most? LUST!
there are many many forms of lust, however the lust of the world, the pride of life, the lust of the eyes are not of the father, they are of the world.
Open your eyes brothers and sisters......
You are born in to servitude, bondagae unto the elements of the world.
When the wicked one took our KING up on the high peak and showed him his kingdoms, And said what? Only bow to me and I will give thee all these.
So by definition they belonged too and thus were created by whom? YOU TAKE PART IN A WORLD OF DECEPTION. A PRISON. Whats sole intent is to keep you in it and in bondage and destroy your souls.
Awaken thou sleeper and fight!
So I proffer you this. Walk not in the flesh or the lusts of the world or take part in it willingly.
Separate yourselves and seek you spiritual things and live.
I love you all in CHRIST JESUS NAME, but the false gospel is much large in size then the fleshly mind can deal with.

When you hear our KING JESUS CHRIST TELL YOU THAT NO FLESH IS RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF THE FATHER, I ASK YOU THIS...... DOES THE GOD OF SPIRITS CREATE ANYTHING UNRIGHTEOUS? NO!
Your in bondage and you have to come to grips with this truth. HELL IS REAL, THE ENEMY IS REAL, HIS EMISSARIES ARE REAL AND YOU ARE BLIND, DEATH AND SLEEP!
WAKE UP! FIGHT!

Wow I didn’t know there were still Gnostics around!

 

[Petros2015]

Wow I didn’t know there were still Gnostics around!

I love Gnostics. They are awesome. 21st century ones like to think we are living in the Matrix, or will (no flesh and blood in cyber land)

 

[Christian Soldier 777]

There's this idea that boggles my mind for quite a while and I'd like to hear your opinions about it:

First off, imagine the situation of a person A: You're born in some poor, remote part of India. You're raised fully in hinduist faith. Your all life you basically know nothing but the hindu gods, which you also worship. One day there's this white guy who comes around and starts preaching something about one God, which is actually a three at once or something, but you don't really understand him, it doesn't really catch you by the heart or anything. Few days later he wanders off. After some years, you get ill and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

Now, alternatively, person B: You're born to atheistic family in a very atheistic western country, let's say Norway. You're raised in a profoundly atheistic way, involving absolutely zero room for spirituality. When you grow in age, you maybe encounter some people who practice the religion, but you're lead to believe they're some kind of lunatics and to stay away from them. Maybe someone from your work tries to talk you into the Christianity, but you're provided with scientific evidence for any question you may have about the world, and since your parents didn't put a seed of the spirituality in you as you were growing up, you never get to question it. You grow old and you die.

Now: you stand before the judgement of God. You heard the word of God but you didn't accept it. Are you going to Hell?

I've been Christian my whole life and I've spent plenty of time reading Bible. Personally, the idea of either of these people going to some kind of 'eternal torment' goes completely against the idea of the righteous and merciful God that Bible preaches. I understand that there's no verse, no simple line to prove this, but both logically and spiritually I wholeheartedly believe in some kind of 'backdoor trick' (as atheists opposing this idea would've called it) of a last-second of your life revelation of Jesus who you get to freely accept and go to Heaven, regardless of where or how you lived.

What do you guys think?

This is simple. Sinners go to hell. The misconception is that good people go to heaven, and that is not true. Forgiven people go to heaven, and the only way to receive forgiveness is through Jesus. It is through grace that we are saved.