The fossil record explained

[Turkana]

Was Nebuchadnezzar's furnace a space ship as well?

Daniel 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.

How about the burning bush?

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Was it a shuttle craft?

More off topic babble from the bronze age mythology.

1. we OBSERVE fossils in geological layers. HOW these were formed is irrelevant. They were formed otherwise they would not sit there.
2. the fossil record of geological formation A differs demonstrably from the biodiversity found in geological formation B. Example: in the geological formatioins of the Ediacaran we observe the typical Ediacaran biota. Nothing of the Ediacran biota was left after the Ediacaran-Cambrian mass extinction event. Because in none of the thousands post-Ediacaran paleontological site worldwide we literally can't find not even one single specimen of Ediacran fossil. On the other hand, in the Ediacaran we literally won't find not even one single specimen of the following major groups of extant life: arthropods (spiders, insects, crustaceans and the like), fish, plants, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals. The fossils of these major groups of organisms are entirely lacking in the Ediacran formations, not one single specimen in any of the dozens of Ediacaran sites we have worldwide.
3. the more distant formation A is situated in the geological from formation B, the larger the differences in biodiversity.

NOT SO difficult to understand, isn't it.

If you want to discuss your own subjects, be my guest and start your own thread. HERE on this thread it's about the 3 points above mentioned.

 

[Turkana]

I could list the recently discovered scientific facts in Genesis but you wouldn't read them. Even if someone were raised from the dead, you wouldn't believe. Would you?

Gee, must have missed something in the scientific literature lately. And I read a lot scientific literature on a daily bases, expecially in biology, geology, paleontology and genetics. Let's leave it at that I am very well informed about the current state of affairs in those scientific disciplines.

I can tell you that in science there are no such recently discovered facts.

Either you deceive or you fantasize.

But, anyway, back to the thread's topic, shall we?

1. we OBSERVE fossils in geological layers. HOW these were formed is irrelevant. They were formed otherwise they would not sit there.
2. the fossil record of geological formation A differs demonstrably from the biodiversity found in geological formation B. Example: in the geological formatioins of the Ediacaran we observe the typical Ediacaran biota. Nothing of the Ediacran biota was left after the Ediacaran-Cambrian mass extinction event. Because in none of the thousands post-Ediacaran paleontological site worldwide we literally can't find not even one single specimen of Ediacran fossil. On the other hand, in the Ediacaran we literally won't find not even one single specimen of the following major groups of extant life: arthropods (spiders, insects, crustaceans and the like), fish, plants, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals. The fossils of these major groups of organisms are entirely lacking in the Ediacran formations, not one single specimen in any of the dozens of Ediacaran sites we have worldwide.
3. the more distant formation A is situated in the geological from formation B, the larger the differences in biodiversity.

NOT SO difficult to understand, isn't it.

If you want to discuss your own subjects, be my guest and start your own thread. HERE on this thread it's about the 3 points above mentioned.

 

[Turkana]

It's strange that creationists can't get together and at least attempt to come up with a consistent explanation.

Sometimes they claim that the fossils are a result of a flood 4000 years ago, but what you described above clearly doesn't fit in with such a phenomenon - Even when they start with the ad-hoc rationalizations like some animals "running faster" to escape the flood or heavier animals sinking to lower layers.

Sometimes we see the old "multiple" creation events which is just as bad. As well as being an admission that young earth creationism is garbage and that the fossil record doesn't support "special Creation" it's pretty insulting to their God (who would appear to be incompetent). Obviously it isn't consistent with what we actually see in the fossil record either (i.e morphological change over time).

So what are we left with? Just denials of the evidence, obfuscation and lies. It's very sad really but I'm afraid it's par for the course.

It's not only they can't get together and at least attempt to come up with a consistent explanation, they even disastrously fail to even distantly address the popints I made in my OP.

Their conduct and record here alone in this thread is shameful and embarrassing.

 

[Turkana]

Again you stumble over the truth. Our third Rock from the Sun has NEVER and will NEVER be totally destroyed in a flood. It is currently covered in water and does not dissolve since rocks don't dissolve in water. It was Adam's small world, the world that THEN WAS 2Pet3:6 which was destroyed in the flood. Our world will burn. 2Pet3:10

We live in a multiverse which began with THREE Heavens or Universes. God made One on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Lord God made otherS on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 That's at least three worlds/firmaments/Heavens. How many times do I have to post this? Can anyone refute this Scripturally? Of course not.

You mustn't smoke hash pipes that much or whatever you do causing you to produce this kind of Lord of the Rings blab. Rocks don't dissolve in water? RIGHT. It happens all the time in nature.

But, cut the crap, in the meantime you better stay on topic:
Here is the challenge you have to address in this thread:

1. we OBSERVE fossils in geological layers. HOW these were formed is irrelevant. They were formed otherwise they would not sit there.
2. the fossil record of geological formation A differs demonstrably from the biodiversity found in geological formation B. Example: in the geological formatioins of the Ediacaran we observe the typical Ediacaran biota. Nothing of the Ediacran biota was left after the Ediacaran-Cambrian mass extinction event. Because in none of the thousands post-Ediacaran paleontological site worldwide we literally can't find not even one single specimen of Ediacran fossil. On the other hand, in the Ediacaran we literally won't find not even one single specimen of the following major groups of extant life: arthropods (spiders, insects, crustaceans and the like), fish, plants, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals. The fossils of these major groups of organisms are entirely lacking in the Ediacran formations, not one single specimen in any of the dozens of Ediacaran sites we have worldwide.
3. the more distant formation A is situated in the geological from formation B, the larger the differences in biodiversity.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It's not only they can't get together and at least attempt to come up with a consistent explanation, they even disastrously fail to even distantly address the popints I made in my OP.

Their conduct and record here alone in this thread is shameful and embarrassing.

You're relatively new here, aren't you?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Your post has nothing to do with the discussion you're responding to.

Yep, just as I predicted, backpedaling.

Oh it has everything to do with it. If it doesn’t matter which interpretation of Bible verse we use, then it doesn’t matter which scientific interpretation of species we use, correct?

Why are you backpedaling now? Stand your ground. Either any interpretation is correct or it isn’t, either any scientific definition is valid or it isn’t.

You won’t even stand behind your own argument but suddenly when your argument is turned around to apply to you, you want to try to duck and run and pretend it just doesn’t apply.

So, so very sad that you don’t even believe in the very stance you claim to take....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It's not only they can't get together and at least attempt to come up with a consistent explanation, they even disastrously fail to even distantly address the popints I made in my OP.

Their conduct and record here alone in this thread is shameful and embarrassing.

I answered you twice, you just ignored the answers both times, quit crying if you just want to pretend your not being answered. Perhaps you need to go back and reread posts....

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some 3.8 billion years worth of evolution.

Uninterrupted?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Uninterrupted?

Not quite sure what you mean by that...

But sure. Evolution is a continous process.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The reason the "one large catastrophe" (aka Noah's Flood) doesn't get mentioned is because it blatantly contradicts almost ever branch of the natural sciences. The most egregious being basic physics, since the energy release in such an event would have vaporized the Earth's atmosphere.

I can tell you don’t understand physics, nor have you watched the video.

Go ahead, get a propane torch, put it on high, put your hand inches from the flame and notice hardly any heat at all as the heat follows the trajectory straight up.

The flood release no different as the main energy release blasted straight up into space...

Please, learn the theory, and actual physics before commenting on things you don’t understand. I can see you have never watched it, because the entire two hours is nothing but science, with only two or three minutes of Bible verses that scare you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

we OBSERVE fossils in geological layers. HOW these were formed is irrelevant. They were formed otherwise they would not sit there.

Formed= created.

the fossil record of geological formation A differs demonstrably from the biodiversity found in geological formation B. Example: in the geological formatioins of the Ediacaran we observe the typical Ediacaran biota. Nothing of the Ediacran biota was left after the Ediacaran-Cambrian mass extinction event. Because in none of the thousands post-Ediacaran paleontological site worldwide we literally can't find not even one single specimen of Ediacran fossil. On the other hand, in the Ediacaran we literally won't find not even one single specimen of the following major groups of extant life: arthropods (spiders, insects, crustaceans and the like), fish, plants, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals. The fossils of these major groups of organisms are entirely lacking in the Ediacran formations, not one single specimen in any of the dozens of Ediacaran sites we have worldwide.

In others words each destruction event killed all the life in those formations, and evolution had to start over from scratch.

NOT SO difficult to understand, isn't it.

Not when you consider ruin/restoration theory.

If you want to discuss your own subjects, be my guest and start your own thread. HERE on this thread it's about the 3 points above mentioned.

There's really nothing to discuss in your three points; like saying "on a clear day the sky is blue". What's to discuss?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not quite sure what you mean by that...

But sure. Evolution is a continous process.

Turkana's post (#220) suggests that evolution has to start over from scratch every several million years or so as all prior life was wiped out by the some cataclysmic event that formed their geologic 'internment' layer.

 

[pitabread]

Turkana's post (#220) suggests that evolution has to start over from scratch

It doesn't suggest that. Starting over from scratch would imply all life being completely wiped out. And while extinction events have occurred that may wipe out most life, that is not the same as everything.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In others words each destruction event killed all the life in those formations, and evolution had to start over from scratch.

From scratch? You think the big extinction waves in deep history killed ALL life on the planet?
No. Some events were extreme, sure, but none killed all life on the planet. 1 managed to kill an estimate of 96% of species.

The other 4 big extinction waves killed in the range of 73-86%

So no, it did not have to start over from scratch.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Turkana's post (#220) suggests that evolution has to start over from scratch every several million years or so as all prior life was wiped out by the some cataclysmic event that formed their geologic 'internment' layer.

No, that's not what it says.

 

[AV1611VET]

Irrelevant tattle. This is the challenge:

You wanna play copy/paste games with me chief? let's play copy/paste games.

Here's an answer to part of your challenge:

Your fossil record doesn't "unambiguously depict a change in biodiversity" -- except on paper.

All it does is show what fossils settled where.

1. Put an inner tube into a swimming pool.
2. Now pour in some marshmallows.
3. Now dump some dirt into the pool.

What's going to happen?

The dirt will take the marshmallows to the bottom with it first.

IF the dirt takes the inner tube with it, it will eventually break free and resurface.

4. Now saturate the pool with dirt and allow it to solidify.

What does your record show?

Marshmallows on the bottom; inner tube halfway down.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/another-flood-question.8034353/page-30#post-71989827



It's in the link. If you have any issues start a new thread or respond in the one linked.

Thank you for making my point: There are no Dodo fossils, only subfossils.

 

[AV1611VET]

Irrelevant tattle.

HERE is your challenge:

Here's an answer to part of your challenge:

Your fossil record doesn't "unambiguously depict a change in biodiversity" -- except on paper.

All it does is show what fossils settled where.

1. Put an inner tube into a swimming pool.
2. Now pour in some marshmallows.
3. Now dump some dirt into the pool.

What's going to happen?

The dirt will take the marshmallows to the bottom with it first.

IF the dirt takes the inner tube with it, it will eventually break free and resurface.

4. Now saturate the pool with dirt and allow it to solidify.

What does your record show?

Marshmallows on the bottom; inner tube halfway down.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, that's not what it says.

But that's what it suggests.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

From scratch? You think the big extinction waves in deep history killed ALL life on the planet?
No. Some events were extreme, sure, but none killed all life on the planet. 1 managed to kill an estimate of 96% of species.

The other 4 big extinction waves killed in the range of 73-86%

So no, it did not have to start over from scratch.

Don't you think it had a profound effect on the evolution of those species that survived, if indeed they did survive?