ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[corinth77777]

John 6:4

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Sounds more like people are trying to keep a doctrine of some kind in here about their beliefs on the sabbath....rather than doing the father's will which is to looketh to the son and believe on him. It's like keep the Sabbath and therefore you are doing His will. Rather than Looketh to the Son and put your trust in Him and you are keeping the Sabbath.

Sounds like one is bewitched as stated in
Galatians 3: 1-5

One must be led by the Spirit not by the Letter of the Law.....

 

[corinth77777]

Sounds more like people are trying to keep a doctrine of some kind in here about their beliefs on the sabbath....rather than doing the father's will which is to looketh to the son and believe on him. It's like keep the Sabbath and therefore you are doing His will. Rather than Looketh to the Son and put your trust in Him and you are keeping the Sabbath.

Sounds like one is bewitched as stated in
Galatians 3: 1-5

One must be led by the Spirit not by the Letter of the Law.....

As a matter of fact being led by the Letter of the Law will keep one in bondage and in fear....thats how this conversation actually sounds....so much emphasis on the Sabbath the Letter and not the Spirit.....The Spirit give life......yes the peace and Joy..not fear of Hell

 

[corinth77777]

As a matter of fact being led by the Letter of the Law will keep one in bondage and in fear....thats how this conversation actually sounds....so much emphasis on the Sabbath the Letter and not the Spirit.....The Spirit give life......yes the peace and Joy..not fear of Hell

The only thing that matters is faith working by love...
Not Faith working through fear

 

[discipler7]

The Ten Commandments were to show us our sin. Jesus TOOK AWAY our sin; therefore, no need for the law. Love covers all commandments. They are not eternal, but love is.
1 John 3

You must have the Spirit, for if you just have the LAW you don't belong to Jesus.

2THESSALONIANS.2: = The Great Apostasy
2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[corinth77777]

2THESSALONIANS.2: = The Great Apostasy
2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There must be a difference between the Day of the Lord and Day of Christ.
I believe the Day of Christ is now. Believe upon Him and you have life...You are in CHRIST....AS THOSE IN THE ARK BEFORE THE WATERY WRATH,THE FLOOD

Day of the Lord is Judgement Day those not in Christ Will suffer the wrath.

 

[discipler7]

John 6:4

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1THESSALONIANS.4: = 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.


1PETER.2: = Submission to Government
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

1JOHN.3: = Sin and the Child of God
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. ...

He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

ROMANS.7: = 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law.

 

[1stcenturylady]

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In effect, you are saying that 1 John 3:23 = And this is Jesus's commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. , which is an illogical statement.

Actually, 1 John 3:23 = And this is the Father's commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Seems, you do not really know who Jesus Christ truly is. ...

MATTHEW.7:21-23 = I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Yes, they are the Father's about the New Covenant. They are about Jesus.

 

[1stcenturylady]

2THESSALONIANS.2: = The Great Apostasy
2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Sin is lawlessness.

 

[corinth77777]

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[corinth77777]

Anything that is not of faith is sin

Fear is the opposite of faith

Earning the opposite Grace

Indifference the opposite love

death the opposite is life

Flesh the opposite is spirit

All thing in step with faith are spiritual
This is how you get a taste of the Kingdom now

When the purple and green or mixed one seems to be teaching a different gospel

I'm going to post the Best article....I ever found on the web in 2010, on this subject .....and I believe it will help us all......

 

[expos4ever]

Not true.

The Spirit does not replace the Law, as if born-again Christians can willy-nilly abolish or ignore the 10 Commandments and other necessary laws or the whole Law.

Paul taught that salvation could only come through faith in Jesus Christ, and no longer through the works of keeping the Law. Paul did not teach that the Law could be abolished or ignored or made temporary/redundant or changed. In fact, Paul continued to keep the Law.

HEBREWS.10:15-18 = 15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

What does Paul mean in Galatians 3, where he says that we are no longer under the Law as tutor?

And what does he mean in Romans 7 when he declares that we now serve the Spirit, not the Law?

Given the broad sweep of the New Testament, I believe it is very hard to argue that the Law of Moses lives on, including the 10.

In Ephesians 2, the writer directly declares the abolition of the Law of Moses. Watch the backflips people will do to deny the plain implication of that Ephesians 2 text. More later.

 

[expos4ever]

Let no man (or wonan for that matter) deign to suggest that the abolition of the Law implies we are free to plunder, murder, and otherwise violate principles of the Law. It would, obviously, serve your argument that the Law cannot be abolished. But none of us who believe the Law has been retired are saying this.

It is, if course, possible to behave morally without a prescriptive code if, repeat if, we have the indwelling Spirit.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Let no man (or wonan for that matter) deign to suggest that the abolition of the Law implies we are free to plunder, murder, and otherwise violate principles of the Law. It would, obviously, serve your argument that the Law cannot be abolished. But none of us who believe the Law has been retired are saying this.

It is, if course, possible to behave morally without a prescriptive code if, repeat if, we have the indwelling Spirit.

Exactly.

The law was given because of sins. Jesus came to take away our sin, not so we could sin all the more. That logic is diabolical and criminal for anyone to suggest we or I am saying that. No, seeing as the law didn't work because of sin, He bypassed the law and took away our sin through the Spirit. You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if you have the Spirit. The eternal law remains, it is the Old Covenant that didn't work that has faded away.

It is not that murder and stealing are suddenly okay. Just the opposite. But if you tell someone not to steal, it becomes present in their mind, like saying don't think about a pink elephant. What is the first thing that pops in your mind? But if you were to say love your enemies, the first thing you think of is not murdering them, but how to love them.

 

[corinth77777]

Exactly.

The law was given because of sins. Jesus came to take away our sin, not so we could sin all the more. That logic is diabolical and criminal for anyone to suggest we or I am saying that. No, seeing as the law didn't work because of sin, He bypassed the law and took away our sin through the Spirit. You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if you have the Spirit. The eternal law remains, it is the Old Covenant that didn't work that has faded away.

It is not that murder and stealing are suddenly okay. Just the opposite. But if you tell someone not to steal, it becomes present in their mind, like saying don't think about a pink elephant. What is the first thing that pops in your mind? But if you were to say love your enemies, the first thing you think of is not murdering them, but how to love them.

Yes, to destroy the works of the devil

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, to destroy the works of the devil

Exactly.

What I have found on the forums is that most SDA's now believe Jesus came, not to take away our sin, but to take the punishment for our sins. To me, that logic means that the blood of Jesus just covers our sin as did the blood of bulls and goats. But that is not just SDA's that believe that. Not many relate to the fact that the blood of Jesus didn't just cover our sin, but took it away. Not so sin could just come back again, but took away the sin nature, Satan's factory that produced sin in us in the first place. They don't know what 'born again' really means.

 

[corinth77777]

Exactly.

What I have found on the forums is that most SDA's now believe Jesus came, not to take away our sin, but to take the punishment for our sins. To me, that logic means that the blood of Jesus just covers our sin as did the blood of bulls and goats. But that is not just SDA's that believe that. Not many relate to the fact that the blood of Jesus didn't just cover our sin, but took it away. Not so sin could just come back again, but took away the sin nature, Satan's factory that produced sin in us in the first place. They don't know what 'born again' really means.

Well...Sis....sanctification is a part of salvation
And Christ became the source of DELIVERENCE
Therefore as we walk in the Spirit the blood cleanses us from all past sins.
It's through His resurrection that we are Justified
So when we walk in His Spirit, victory, life
The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin.

Jesus defeated death....He risen from the dead. And the works of the devil [seperation of God] is defeated when we walk in His Victory....

 

[corinth77777]

Well...Sis....sanctification is a part of salvation
And Christ became the source of DELIVERENCE
Therefore as we walk in the Spirit the blood cleanses us from all past sins.
It's through His resurrection that we are Justified
So when we walk in His Spirit, victory, life
The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin.

Jesus defeated death....He risen from the dead. And the works of the devil [seperation of God] is defeated when we walk in His Victory....

Romans 4:25 reads "[Jesus] was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification".

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well...Sis....sanctification is a part of salvation
And Christ became the source of DELIVERENCE
Therefore as we walk in the Spirit the blood cleanses us from all past sins.
It's through His resurrection that we are Justified
So when we walk in His Spirit, victory, life
The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin.

Jesus defeated death....He risen from the dead. And the works of the devil [seperation of God] is defeated when we walk in His Victory....

Yes, I see it the same way.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes that was my question.

It is to your shame that you don't have a scripture to provide us, where Jesus instructed us to keep the Sabbath.

If you have such a scripture please post it here and now.

I have chased your links and none of them lead to any such scripture.

Here is a scripture from Jesus about the Sabbath -

For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:16-18

• Jesus broke the Sabbath [according to the law] and Jesus made Himself as equal to God.

Now if you have a scripture from Jesus that commands the Church, under the New Covenant, to observe the Sabbath in a specific way, please post it here for us, as I have done, so we can discuss it.

If Jesus commands the Church to observe the Sabbath, then I will have no choice but to repent, and follow His instructions for Sabbath keeping under the New Covenant.

JLB

Sorry my friend I am not interested in arguing with you. You either have God's WORD for what you believe or you do not. It seems you do not. As I have asked you earlier, I am happy to have a discussion with you if it goes both ways. If you can agree then fine if not let's agree to disagree and remain friends.

God's 4th Commandments is about not doing our own work. It is not about doing GOOD in the Sabbath and doing God's WORD. Jesus did God's WORK and taught it is lawful to do Good on the Sabbath. Jesus was not out doing his own work of carpentry and earning a living and breaking the Sabbath. He was out healing, teaching the Word of God, and helping others. This is lawful to do on the Sabbath. * Please read Matthew 12:1-12.

If Jesus broke God's Commandments he would then be a sinner. If Jesus broke God's LAW and was a sinner then how could he be our perfect sacrifice and the lamb of God that takes away all the sins of the World ? If he has his own sins to bare he could not bare ours or be perfect.

Now if you agree to respond to my posts and all the questions and scriptures in them I am happy to have a discussion with you. If you ignore my posts, questions and scriptures in them that disagree with you then it is not a discussion. You are free to believe as you wish.

DID JESUS REALLY BRAKE GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT (SABBATH) OR THE PHARASEES INTERPRETATION OF IT?

Let's look at the scriptures?

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

The difference in what Jesus was teaching and what the Jews taight is that Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath. It is our own WORK that we are commanded not to do (Exodus 20:8-11)

A few other OLD TESTAMENT references from Jesus in relation to doing good in the Sabbath..

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK.

Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.

Jesus never broke any of his own Commandments especially the Sabbath which he created. This is what Jesus taught about the Sabbath in the NEW TESTAMENT.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP another day as a Holy day.

Sorry friend God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sou Sounds like you are the one JUDGING my spiritual growth based on rather I act on keeping the Sabbath day on your terms.

Hello corinth, not at all...

JOHN 7:24 [24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT.

Who can judge righteous judgment?

ROMANS 3:10[10] As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO, NOT ONE

Who can judge righteous judgment?

PSLAMS 119:137 RIGHTEOUS ARE YOU O' LORD, And upright are Your judgments.

PSALMS 119:123 My eyes fail with longing for Your salvation And for YOUR RIGHTEOUS WORD.

PSALMS 119:172 LET MY TONGUE SING OF YOUR WORD, FOR ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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CONCLUSION: Only God, God's WORD and God's Commandments are RIGHTEOUS. NONE of us are RIGHTEOUS. Therefore we can ONLY judge RIGHTOUES JUDGMENT. That is we can only judge not according to outward appearance but according to God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. I do not judge you. God's WORD judges you as it does me. We are to help each other with the Word of God not judge each other as it is written...

JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

But scripture says: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

You misunderstand the scriptures of COLOSSIANS 2 because you do not know the OLD Testament scriptures that Paul is quoting from.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day of the week and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

If you would like to see what OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES Paul is discussing in COL 2 please click on the link below. There is a detailed 6x Part scriptures study that goes right through the within scripture and chapter context of COL 2 and shows what PAUL is discussing from the OLD TESTAMENT. The Old Testament was the bible in the days of Jesus and the Apostles.

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD brother corinth.

Hope this helps