ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

Sounds more like people are trying to keep a doctrine of some kind in here about their beliefs on the sabbath....rather than doing the father's will which is to looketh to the son and believe on him. It's like keep the Sabbath and therefore you are doing His will. Rather than Looketh to the Son and put your trust in Him and you are keeping the Sabbath.

Sounds like one is bewitched as stated in
Galatians 3: 1-5

One must be led by the Spirit not by the Letter of the Law.....

Hello corinth,

It seems you may have a misunderstanding as to what is being shared here my brother. No one is saying we are saved by the letter of the law.

The purpose of God's LAW is to lead us to Christ. It is the mirror we look into to see the Saviour in order to abide in Christ. It is the knowledge of Good and Evil; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS. WALKING in LOVE it is fulfilled in the heart of the believer through faith. It is our duty of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man and is God's eternal law that hang on the two great commandments of LOVE. Obedience to God's LAW is the expression of LOVE and the fruit of faith in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and the expression of torment to those who brake it.

We are not made rightouess by God's LAW through trying to keep God's LAW. All the 10 Commandments do is give us a knowledge of SIN if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS if obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172).

God's WORD teaches we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves; it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast * Ephesians 2:8. Grace however is for OBEDIENCE to the faith (Romans 1:5; 16:26). If our faith has no fruit then it is dead (James 2:18-20).

Under the NEW COVENANT we are promised a NEW HEART to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling [doing] of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE. This is what Paul is teaching in ROMANS 13:8-10 and Jesus is teaching in MATTHEW 22:36-40 and James in JAMES 2:8-11.

We need to be Born again to LOVE with a NEW HEART. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW. If you LOVE your neighbor you will not KILL him right? This is why JESUS says to his followers, IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS because on the two great commandments of LOVE, hang all the law and the prophets and as PAUL says LOVE sums up the 10 Commandments (Romans 13:9) The NEW COVENANT is LOVE written on the heart to walk as God walked and to LOVE as Jesus first LOVED us.

HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE KNOW HIM?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

No one has God's Spirit while breaking his commandments (Acts 2:38; 3:19) because if God's LAW is broken there is no LOVE to God or man (James 2:8-12; Romans 13:8-10). The same as none have God's Spirit if they do not know God's WORD as God's Spirit works through God's WORD and it is not opposed to it because Jesus is the living WORD of God (John 1:1-3; 14). This is why Jesus says; The Words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life (John 6:63). God's Spirit works through God's WORD.

LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD.

You misunderstand what is being shared here brother corinth.

Hope this helps

 

[discipler7]

Let no man (or wonan for that matter) deign to suggest that the abolition of the Law implies ...

It is, if course, possible to behave morally without a prescriptive code if, repeat if, we have the indwelling Spirit.

Not true if the misguided Christian purposely live without the Word or Law or commandments of God or purposely live with the abolition of the Law or in ignorance of the Law.

Do Americans live by ignoring US Law or without US Law or the abolition of US Law.? = lawlessness and chaos/havoc.?
....... "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse", eg when Christians purposely reject or grieve the Spirit/Lord/God by abolishing or rejecting God's Law/Word/commandments.
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JOHN.1:1 & 14 = 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. &
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JOHN.6:63 = 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

2CORINTHIANS.3: = 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2TIMOTHY.3: =
The Man of God and the Word of God
10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[discipler7]

In Ephesians 2, the writer directly declares the abolition of the Law of Moses. Watch the backflips people will do to deny the plain implication of that Ephesians 2 text. More later.

= 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

Not true. EPHESIANS.2:15 does not say that the Law was abolished. Only the enmity arising from the Law was abolished since the consciousness of the Law condemns people to hell, ie when people involuntarily have hate, anger, lust, greed, etc in their hearts and minds.

Most Christians are well aware that the Law does not save people from hell. Only faith in Jesus Christ saves. That does not mean that the Law was abolished by the gospel of salvation or by grace.

 

[expos4ever]

= 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

Not true. EPHESIANS.2:15 does not say that the Law was abolished. Only the enmity arising from the Law was abolished...

That is not what the text says. It says “the emnity, THAT IS, the law....” The grammar unambiguously declares that the emnity IS the Law.

If he had written “the emnity ARISING from the Law you might have a point.

 

[expos4ever]

To those who claim we need the Law today to know what sin is, what do you think the indwelling Spirit does? You are forced to say that it would not promot you to not sin since we need the Law for that.

Good luck making that case - you will need to tear tge New Testament out of your Bibles.

 

[expos4ever]

When we start to see eyeball-rolling abuses of language to defend a position, that is a sign something is wrong. To wit:

1. Taking “we no longer serve the letter of the Law” and bending it into “we still look to the law for moral guidance, but we no longer bear the penalty for breaking it”.

2. Taking “we are no longer under the tutorship of the Law” and mangling that into “we no longer are under the condemnation of the Law”

3. Taking “the emnity, that is, the law” and transforming that to “the emnity arising from the law”.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

To those who claim we need the Law today to know what sin is, what do you think the indwelling Spirit does? You are forced to say that it would not promot you to not sin since we need the Law for that. Good luck making that case - you will need to tear tge New Testament out of your Bibles.

Hello expos4ever, nice to see you again my friend.

Understanding the role of God's LAW in the NEW COVENANT is important to understanding the NEW COVENANT and God's plan of salvation.

The purpose of God's LAW is to show us that we are all sinners and to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith (Galatians 3:22-25). It is the mirror we look into to see ourselves as sinners, so we can see out need of our Saviour (James 1:23). It is the knowledge of Good and Evil; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 7:7; Psalms 119:172).

WALKING in LOVE it is fulfilled in the heart of the believer through faith (Romans 13:8-10; Romans 1:7; Romans 3:22; Galaitians 5:5; Philipians 3:9) . It is our duty of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man and is God's eternal law that hang on the two great commandments of LOVE (Matthew 22:36-40). Obedience to God's LAW is the expression of LOVE and the fruit of faith in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (James 2:18-20; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12) and the expression of torment to those who brake it and reject the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23).

We are not made righteous by God's LAW through trying to keep God's LAW. All the 10 Commandments do is give us a knowledge of SIN if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS if obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172).

God's WORD teaches we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves; it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast * Ephesians 2:8. Grace however is for OBEDIENCE to the faith (Romans 1:5; 16:26). If our faith has no fruit then it is dead (James 2:18-20).

Under the NEW COVENANT we are promised a NEW HEART to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling [doing] of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE. This is what Paul is teaching in Romans 13:8-10 and Jesus is teaching in Matthew 22:36-40 and James in James 2:8-11.

We need to be Born again to LOVE with a NEW HEART. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW. If you LOVE your neighbor you will not KILL him right? This is why JESUS says to his followers, IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS because on the two great commandments of LOVE, hang all the law and the prophets and as PAUL says LOVE sums up the 10 Commandments (Romans 13:9) The NEW COVENANT is LOVE written on the heart to walk as God walked and to LOVE as Jesus first LOVED us.

No one has God's Spirit while breaking his commandments (Acts 2:38; 3:19). The same as none have God's Spirit if they do not know God's WORD as God's Spirit works through God's WORD and it is not opposed to it because Jesus is the living WORD of God (John 1:1-3; 14). This is why Jesus says; The Words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life (John 6:63). God's Spirit works through God's WORD.

You cannot separate God's Spirit from God's WORD...

JOHN 6:63 [63], It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

God's Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and the judgment to come through the Word of God. God's LAW is also God's WORD (Exodus 20:1-17).

Hope this helps

 

[expos4ever]

Hello LoveGodsWord,

Does the believer have the Spirit, yes or no?

Does the Spirit guide our behaviour if we we submit to it, yes or no?

Simple answers please, no lengthy exegesis of multiple texts.

 

[Soyeong]

Hello Soyeong.

Were the disciples breaking the Sabbath or not?

The purpose of a disciple coming under the yoke of a rabbi was to learn from them how to obey the Torah, so if the disciple had been breaking the Sabbath, then Jesus would have corrected them, but they were not. There is a fundamental difference between someone harvesting their field to sell on the market and someone plucking a few grain of wheat, rubbing them together, and putting them in their mouth.

 

[discipler7]

To those who claim we need the Law today to know what sin is, what do you think the indwelling Spirit does? You are forced to say that it would not promot you to not sin since we need the Law for that.

Good luck making that case - you will need to tear tge New Testament out of your Bibles.

The indwelling Spirit also helps Christians to keep the Law and not commit sin, but only if they want to. God does not force His people to be helped or to keep His laws. Does the US government force Americans to accept welfare aid or to keep US Law.? But there are unpleasant earthly consequences to the breaking of the Law or the rejection of the help or grieving of the Spirit/Lord/God.

The early pioneering Christians "claimed" they needed the Law, ...

ACTS.21: = 17 And when we had come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord.

And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law.

25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”
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LUKE.16: = 27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
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REVELATION.22: = Jesus Testifies to the Churches
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

[discipler7]

When we start to see eyeball-rolling abuses of language to defend a position, that is a sign something is wrong. To wit: ...

3. Taking “the emnity, that is, the law” and transforming that to “the emnity arising from the law”.

4. Taking EPHESIANS.2:15's "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances" and transforming that to "the abolition of the Law".

 

[1stcenturylady]

4. Taking EPHESIANS.2:15's "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances" and transforming that to "the abolition of the Law".

Just to be clear, you do know that verse is about circumcision, don't you?

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

 

[discipler7]

That is not what the text says. It says “the emnity, THAT IS, the law....” The grammar unambiguously declares that the emnity IS the Law.

If he had written “the emnity ARISING from the Law you might have a point.

Yes, GALATIANS.3:10 also states that the Law brings a Curse, ie similar to the Law being our enemy. Curse and enemy of what.? Curse and enemy of salvation, ie the Law condemns people to hell. Hence, people needed to be saved from hell by Christ = the Law became the people's tutor towards salvation by Christ.

The Law being a curse and enemy does not mean the abolition of the Law. In fact, the Law has to be put ...

HEBREWS.10: = 15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

Problem is, some misguided Gentile Christians have abolished the Law from their hearts and minds, eg they never study the Old Testament morality laws or are ignorant of most of God's Law.

 

[discipler7]

Just to be clear, you do know that verse is about circumcision, don't you?

Just to be clear, you do know that verse is about salvation, don't you.?

EPHESIANS.2: = 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Brought Near by His Blood
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, ...

 

[1stcenturylady]

Just to be clear, you do know that verse is about salvation, don't you.?

EPHESIANS.2: = 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Brought Near by His Blood
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, ...

It has to do with their being neither Jew nor Gentile because all are circumcised of the heart, no longer the flesh that separated them. The way you stated it, it was the abolition of all law. I merely showed what the verse you were quoting was actually about. But you believe what you want if truth doesn't matter. I'm not going to fight with you, especially when you are trying to mock me.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Hi all,

Some people are going around teaching that God's 10 Commandments are ABOLISHED and no longer a standard for Christian living. Yet the NEW TESTAMENT alone does not teach this at all.

1 JOHN 2:1-4
[1], MY LITTLE CHILDREN, THESE THINGS, I WRITE UNTO YOU THE YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
[4], HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive from the NT alone)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

I see some people do not know what made up the OLD COVENANT laws and their purpose in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT and therefore think God's LAW has been abolished when it is only th SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not God's ETERNAL LAW that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

CAN'T HAVE A GOSPEL WITHOUT THE LAW

I believe the role of God's LAW is to give us a KNOLEDGE of good and evil; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS. Nothing more and nothing less. They are our duty of LOVE to God and man. They show us that all we can do without Jesus is sin and that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour.

*If God's LAW is ABOLSHED then we no longer have any KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is.
*If we have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is and that we are sinners we ahve no need of a Saviour
*If we have no need of a Saviour then we have no Salvation
*If we have no Salavtion then we are still in our sins and the scriputure is fulfilled...

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

My thoughts is that we are NOT SAVED by God's 10 Commandments. Their purpose is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and to lead us to the Cross so that we might be justified by faith (Galatains 3:23-24). The ROLE of God's LAW is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172; James 2:11 Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). In the NEW COVENANT God's LAW is to be written on our hearts as we are born again to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; 1 John 3:3-10; John 3:3)

OPEN FOR FRIENDLY CHRISTIAN DISCUSSION.

What are your thoughts? ARE God's 10 Commandments ABOLISHED like some think and no longer the standard for Christian living?

May God bless you as we seek him through his WORD

I'll take no such chance with abolishing the 10 commandments.

 

[Jenniferdiana]

i dont think it is. I think Jesus summed it all into one with those two commandments, when he said love God with all your heart soul and mind and love others like it and yourself..

If we have a heart for God and love him in that way, we wouldnt have no desire to do the things in the ten commandments, i mean i know we are all capable of breaking atleast one of them but..if we love God we wouldnt do these things..so i dont know i am not sure.. but thats how i see it..

 

[expos4ever]

The purpose of God's LAW is to show us that we are all sinners and to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith (Galatians 3:22-25).

This is simply not correct in context and it is to imagine how you possibly don't see this - the argument in Galatians is clearly historical, as you have been shown and which is, frankly, obvious.

You are clearly engaged in wanton disregard of context - through numerous references in the chapter is painfully clear that what we have in Galatians is a recounting of God's redemption history. So when Paul says we are no longer under a tutor, he would need to literally be off his rocker to have suddenly reverted to a non-historical general statement about how all believers need the law to show us we are sinners. No - Paul is saying that God's redemption history has reached a point where the Law is no longer needed since a new day has dawned.

I challenge you to name one reputable theologian who interprets this text the way you do.

 

[expos4ever]

It is the knowledge of Good and Evil; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 7:7; Psalms 119:172).

I believe your major problem is that you entirely ignore the fact that the Scriptures generally, and certainly much that Paul writes is a narrative - an unfolding history. Romans 7:7 is a case in point - you cannot simply assume that Romans 7:7 describes an eternal truth! While I do not have the time to make the case right now, I believe that Paul is describing what was the case for the Jew during the age of the Law.

Now to be fair - I cannot simply assume this. But neither can you simply assume that the Law's function of revealing sin, as described in 7:7 is still true today. This is especially so since it is so clear that much of Romans is, in fact a history. To wit:

Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are [h]under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for [j]through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

What kind of confused writer would say "but now" without intending us to the understand that the stuff before the "but now" describes the past?

Look: We have this structure:

1. As you point out - a clear declaration that the Law reveals sin. Agreed, correct, fine.

2. A "but now" statement immediately after this. How can you not see that Paul is switching from a description of the past to a description of the present.

 

[expos4ever]

No one has God's Spirit while breaking his commandments (Acts 2:38; 3:19).

Here is Acts 2:38:

Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Did you make an erroneous reference - I see nothing here about the Law.

And same with 3:19

Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord

...no mention of the law at all.

I am going to guess that you are trying to say that there can be no sin to repent from if there is no Law.

Well, that would (1) be a circular argument since you are simply assuming that God could not have possibly replaced the Law with something else that convicts us of sin; (2) even otherwise more suspicious since it is so clear the Spirit is there to do the job that you appear to believe can only be done by the Law:

So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live

I suspect you will try to argue otherwise, but this text almost screams out the Spirit is intimately involved in identifying sin and helping you fight it.