Glow surrounds Solar System (fishbowl boundary?)

[dad]

They have found an ultraviolet glow at the edge of the solar system. It is further out than they expected.

....glow at the solar system’s edge

"New Horizons is the first spacecraft in a position to double-check the Voyagers’ observations. It scanned the ultraviolet sky seven times from 2007 to 2017, space scientist Randy Gladstone of the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio and colleagues report. As the spacecraft travelled, it saw the ultraviolet light change in a way that supports the decades-old observations. All three spacecraft saw more ultraviolet light farther from the sun than expected if there is no wall. But the team cautions that the light could also be from an unknown source farther away in the galaxy."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-horizons-may-have-seen-glow-solar-systems-edge

The Voyager space craft is considered by some to have left the solar system. There seems to be some doubt though..

"The sun, planets and Voyager probes sit inside the tiny yellow dot at right, within a giant sphere called the Oort cloud. This reservoir of trillions of ice chunks extends 100,000 astronomical units out, tethered to the sun by gravity. Astronomers believe these objects got thrown out of the inner solar system as the planets took shape 4.5 billion years ago. Occasionally these castaways pass near Earth: The comet ISON, which may light up the night sky this November, started out in the Oort cloud. The Voyagers would have to travel another 30,000 years before clearing this broadest definition of the solar system."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/voyagers-view


Pic link.... https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/images/voyager_oort_0.jpg?mode=pick&context=110

I have called the solar system and area the fishbowl, to try and get some perspective on the size in this universe.

The pic linked to above shows a little yellow dot representing the solar system and area. Ha.

 

[Brightmoon]

You just confirmed something I’d always thought about the Oort Cloud , that it’s was spherical . A picture is worth a thousand words. You would think that all of the astronomy books I’ve read would show a picture of it but ....
as far as the size of the solar system I found a website that shows the distance between planets IIRC as one pixel per km . I’ll see if I can find that again

 

[Chinchilla]

Fishbowl because we have fishbowl above our heads , can be also seen named as " sundogs " .

 

[Brightmoon]

Sundogs are caused by ice in the atmosphere

 

[Brightmoon]

Sundogs are caused by ice in the atmosphere

 

[AirPo]

They have found an ultraviolet glow at the edge of the solar system. It is further out than they expected.

....glow at the solar system’s edge

"New Horizons is the first spacecraft in a position to double-check the Voyagers’ observations. It scanned the ultraviolet sky seven times from 2007 to 2017, space scientist Randy Gladstone of the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio and colleagues report. As the spacecraft travelled, it saw the ultraviolet light change in a way that supports the decades-old observations. All three spacecraft saw more ultraviolet light farther from the sun than expected if there is no wall. But the team cautions that the light could also be from an unknown source farther away in the galaxy."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-horizons-may-have-seen-glow-solar-systems-edge

The Voyager space craft is considered by some to have left the solar system. There seems to be some doubt though..

"The sun, planets and Voyager probes sit inside the tiny yellow dot at right, within a giant sphere called the Oort cloud. This reservoir of trillions of ice chunks extends 100,000 astronomical units out, tethered to the sun by gravity. Astronomers believe these objects got thrown out of the inner solar system as the planets took shape 4.5 billion years ago. Occasionally these castaways pass near Earth: The comet ISON, which may light up the night sky this November, started out in the Oort cloud. The Voyagers would have to travel another 30,000 years before clearing this broadest definition of the solar system."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/voyagers-view


Pic link.... https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/images/voyager_oort_0.jpg?mode=pick&context=110

I have called the solar system and area the fishbowl, to try and get some perspective on the size in this universe.

The pic linked to above shows a little yellow dot representing the solar system and area. Ha.

Thanks for posting about how real science works! That gets a !

 

[SkyWriting]

Astronomers believe these objects got thrown out of the inner solar system as the planets took shape 4.5 billion years ago.

All pasts events are Faith based.

 

[SkyWriting]

Fishbowl because we have fishbowl above our heads , can be also seen named as " sundogs " .

I was not aware of that. huh.

 

[Chinchilla]

I was not aware of that. huh.

It's actually the reason why you can get rainbow outside without glass but not inside of building .

 

[AirPo]

It's actually the reason why you can get rainbow outside without glass but not inside of building .

That's because there are no buildings in the sky.

 

[SkyWriting]

It's actually the reason why you can get rainbow outside without glass but not inside of building .

Under some conditions you get the full rainbow, not just half.

 

[dad]

You just confirmed something I’d always thought about the Oort Cloud , that it’s was spherical . A picture is worth a thousand words. You would think that all of the astronomy books I’ve read would show a picture of it but ....
as far as the size of the solar system I found a website that shows the distance between planets IIRC as one pixel per km . I’ll see if I can find that again

Ok.

 

[Chinchilla]

Under some conditions you get the full rainbow, not just half.

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The fishbowl is large

 

[dad]

The fishbowl is large

Although a tiny speck compared to the universe, yes, we find it comfortable here. People have asked me 'if there is some possible difference in the nature of time in and outside the fishbowl, where is the boundary? Well, they don't really know what the glow 'ring around the fishbowl' is. So who knows?!

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Because you and they won't listen....... So everybody is confused as to the true cause......

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/12/06/double-layers-in-laboratory-and-cosmic-plasmas/

"Since plasma is composed of charged particles, their movement constitutes an electric current, which generates a magnetic field. Electrons spiral in the resulting magnetic field, creating synchrotron radiation that can shine in all high-energy frequencies, including extreme ultraviolet, X-rays, and gamma rays."

https://www.iter.org/newsline/235/1290

 

[dad]

Because you and they won't listen....... So everybody is confused as to the true cause......

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/12/06/double-layers-in-laboratory-and-cosmic-plasmas/

"Since plasma is composed of charged particles, their movement constitutes an electric current, which generates a magnetic field. Electrons spiral in the resulting magnetic field, creating synchrotron radiation that can shine in all high-energy frequencies, including extreme ultraviolet, X-rays, and gamma rays."

https://www.iter.org/newsline/235/1290

So you are saying that the ring around the fishbowl is definitely due to plasma?

 

[RealityCheck01]

They have found an ultraviolet glow at the edge of the solar system. It is further out than they expected.

New Horizons may have seen a glow at the solar system’s edge
Interesting, known and valid astronomy with one mistake. The ultraviolet glow was found where expected.
This is the heliosphere. Astronomers have been predicting boundary layers and an outer bow shock for at least 2 decades as cited by the article:
Ultraviolet resonance radiation and the structure of the heliosphere. (1998)
The Voyager spacecraft gave us evidence of the edge of the heliosphere (the "termination shock" layer with that UV glow). New Horizons has confirmed the ultraviolet glow.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Because you and they won't listen....... So everybody is confused as to the true cause......

14 August 2018 Justatruthseeker: Links to lies from the deluded Thunderbolts "cult".
This is their delusion that plasma does whatever they want. Specifically they lie about double layers in solar flares and in galaxies.
The evidence is that solar flares are caused by magnetic reconnection.
Double layer with scales of some tens of Debye length (10 meters for the solar wind and interstellar medium!) = not important on astronomical scales of AU or light-years.

From another thread: Presenting at Thunderbolts "cult" conferences hints at the level of Stephen J. Crothers delusions (ditto for citing them as if they were credible sources of science)

 

[dad]

New Horizons may have seen a glow at the solar system’s edge
Interesting, known and valid astronomy with one mistake. The ultraviolet glow was found where expected.
This is the heliosphere. Astronomers have been predicting boundary layers and an outer bow shock for at least 2 decades as cited by the article:
Ultraviolet resonance radiation and the structure of the heliosphere. (1998)
The Voyager spacecraft gave us evidence of the edge of the heliosphere (the "termination shock" layer with that UV glow). New Horizons has confirmed the ultraviolet glow.

I see. Yet it says in the OP

"But the team cautions that the light could also be from an unknown source farther away in the galaxy."

So, it could be some unknown thing. Or, it could be the fishbowl physics thing we suspected.

Basically they don't know. So I suppose we could add 'it could be the fishbowl boundary' or 'it could be the inner fishbowl boundary' or 'it could ....etc etc etc etc etc etc etc'

Apparently you vote for the ring around the fishbowl being one of the the predicted boundary layers of the heliosphere.

Seems to me that the predictions are pretty wrong!!

"
Voyager 1 has already passed the termination shock, where the million-mile-per-hour solar wind abruptly slows and becomes denser and hotter as it presses against interstellar gas. It was expected the wind beyond the shock would slow to a few hundred thousand miles per hour. But the Voyager scientists were surprised to find that the speed was much less, and at times the wind appeared to be flowing back inward toward the sun.

"This could mean that the outward pressure of wind was decreasing as the sun entered the less active phase of its 11-year cycle of sunspot activity," said Stone.

Another surprise: the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field in the outer solar system varied more slowly beyond the termination shock. As the sun rotates every 26 days, the direction of the field alternates every 13 days. That field is carried out by the solar wind, with the alternating directions forming a pattern of zebra stripes moving outward past the spacecraft. One could imagine a zebra with giant "magnetic stripes" running past the spacecraft and Voyager 1 "observing" an alternating stripe every 13 days. After the shock, the "zebra" with its stripe pattern was moving at nearly the same speed as Voyager, so that it took more than 100 days for the stripe to pass the spacecraft and for the magnetic field to switch directions.

Perhaps the most puzzling surprise is what Voyager 1 did not find at the shock. It had been predicted that interstellar ions would bounce back and forth across the shock, slowly gaining energy with each bounce to become high speed cosmic rays. Because of this, scientists expected those cosmic ray ions would become most intense at the shock. However, the intensity did not reach a maximum at the shock, but has been steadily increasing as Voyager 1 has been moving farther beyond the shock. This means that the source of those cosmic rays is in a region of the outer solar system yet to be discovered.

https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/details.php?article_id=11



Then there was this some years ago...

"The milestone means the craft has become the first human-made object to venture into interstellar space. It's now about 12 billion miles from the sun, in a transitional region immediately outside the solar bubble. As modeled and expected, the density data from Voyager 1 did show a density change, but apparently the predicted magnetic shift has not happened."

https://phys.org/news/2013-09-voyager-magnetic-intrigues.html

Don't try to make it sound like your predictions are anything but ever changing guesses that fit your belief set.

 

[RealityCheck01]

I see. Yet it says in the OP
...

Lots of "fishbowl" nonsense but essentially correct, dad.
UV light was detected by New Horizons. The UV light matches what we expect for the heliosphere termination shock. That does not rule out other causes.
New Horizons may have seen a glow at the solar system’s edge

As the spacecraft travelled, it saw the ultraviolet light change in a way that supports the decades-old observations. All three spacecraft saw more ultraviolet light farther from the sun than expected if there is no wall. But the team cautions that the light could also be from an unknown source farther away in the galaxy.

I vote for following the conclusion of experts: Probably UV light from the heliosphere termination shock.

The predictions were pretty close. As often happens the situation was more complex than the models. So we found empirical evidence that will allow the models to be improved. That is good for science.
Voyager Finds Three Surprises Near Our Solar System's Edge (2005).
Voyager 1 magnetic data surprise intrigues researchers (2013).