Evolution becomes theory, theory becomes word (Word becomes guide)

Gottservant

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Hi there,

It has been some time since I posted on this forum and in the meantime my thoughts have congealed a great deal.

I basically have one question: what word is it, by which hearing you remember the details of Evolution?

When I think of the gospels of Jesus Christ, His words that "what I say to you, I say to all: 'Watch!'" remind me of the many things He said.

Thoughts ?
 

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Hi there,

It has been some time since I posted on this forum and in the meantime my thoughts have congealed a great deal.

I basically have one question: what word is it, by which hearing you remember the details of Evolution?

When I think of the gospels of Jesus Christ, His words that "what I say to you, I say to all: 'Watch!'" remind me of the many things He said.

Thoughts ?

My thought is that this is a really bizar post and I have no clue what you are trying to get at.
 
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I have no clue what you are trying to get at.
I think Gottservant means there could be a certain word which is a key word which has you meditating on evolution and which opens your mind up to your ideas about evolution and has you feeding on what you consider to be its benefits.

And Gottservant means that there is at least one key word of Jesus, which can have us meditating on and considering various things of being with God in His love.

@Gottservant > Is this what you mean?

By the way, one word for me would be "love". Also, we need God's "correction" > Hebrews 12:4-11.

So, a question could be > what do your key words about evolution bring you to thinking about? What do they get for you?

Do you become more self-dependent, in considering evolution?

With Jesus, we become more and more God-dependent . . . since He is so superior to us and better for us than we have been for ourselves.

So, which way does evolutionary theory bring you?

Maybe this is what Gottservant means.
 
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I think Gottservant means there could be a certain word which is a key word which has you meditating on evolution and which opens your mind up to your ideas about evolution and has you feeding on what you consider to be its benefits.

And Gottservant means that there is at least one key word of Jesus, which can have us meditating on and considering various things of being with God in His love.

@Gottservant > Is this what you mean?

By the way, one word for me would be "love". Also, we need God's "correction" > Hebrews 12:4-11.

So, a question could be > what do your key words about evolution bring you to thinking about? What do they get for you?

Do you become more self-dependent, in considering evolution?

With Jesus, we become more and more God-dependent . . . since He is so superior to us and better for us than we have been for ourselves.

So, which way does evolutionary theory bring you?

Maybe this is what Gottservant means.

Still makes no sense to me.
Evolution is just an explanation of empirical biological processes.

It's like asking "do you become more self-dependent, in considering plate tectonics or atomic theory?"


It's just bizar.
 
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Hi there,

It has been some time since I posted on this forum and in the meantime my thoughts have congealed a great deal.

I basically have one question: what word is it, by which hearing you remember the details of Evolution?

When I think of the gospels of Jesus Christ, His words that "what I say to you, I say to all: 'Watch!'" remind me of the many things He said.

Thoughts ?

Evolution --> Atheism.
 
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I'm guessing the pope and the actual majority of christians, disagree.
Paul wouldn't.

Roman 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Those who want to profess themselves to be [Homo] sapiens run the risk of becoming atheists.

How many posters here were once Christians until they embraced evolution and started asking questions their church couldn't answer?
 
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Paul wouldn't.

Roman 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Those who want to profess themselves to be [Homo] sapiens run the risk of becoming atheists.

Right, because evolution theory was a thing in the first centuries AD.

:rolleyes:

How many posters here were once Christians until they embraced evolution and started asking questions their church couldn't answer?

And asking question is bad, I bet?
If their church couldn't answer the questions, maybe that is because they didn't have the answers?

Yes, usually asking questions is step one in losing religious faith.
I had my first encounter with religion when I transfered to a catholic high school at 16, where I had to take a religious class. I asked questions. The teacher did NOT like me.

And rightfully so. I exposed his nonsense quite easily. Eventually he just told me to shut up.
Curious how the teachers of other classes actually ENCOURAGED the practice of asking questions - including those questions that they couldn't answer and then pointed us to sources where we could research and find the answers on our own.

The contrast was very telling.
 
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Right, because evolution theory was a thing in the first centuries AD.
Not by that name, no.

And forget "the first centuries AD"

Solomon spoke of [pre-science] evolution.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Evolution is an invention, not a discovery.
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And asking question is bad, I bet?
No -- but it depends on what you're using the question mark for.

Is it because you really want to know? or is it to ridicule?
DogmaHunter said:
If their church couldn't answer the questions, maybe that is because they didn't have the answers?
May be.
DogmaHunter said:
Yes, usually asking questions is step one in losing religious faith.
Unless they had nothig to lose.
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I had my first encounter with religion when I transfered to a catholic high school at 16, where I had to take a religious class. I asked questions. The teacher did NOT like me.
I don't normally accept these kinds of testimonies a priori, as I suspect there's always more to the story than what is appearing on paper.

One can use the question mark as a tool to ridicule, badger, and blaspheme.
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I exposed his nonsense quite easily.
Ya -- that's what I thought.

You're not telling the whole story.
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Eventually he just told me to shut up.
Good for him. I would have done the same thing.
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Curious how the teachers of other classes actually ENCOURAGED the practice of asking questions - including those questions that they couldn't answer and then pointed us to sources where we could research and find the answers on our own.
Good.
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The contrast was very telling.
Then tell it -- the whole story this time.
 
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I basically have one question: what word is it, by which hearing you remember the details of Evolution?
Not one word, but two phrases:
  • Common descent
  • Survival of the fittest

what do your key words about evolution bring you to thinking about? What do they get for you?
Do you become more self-dependent, in considering evolution?
As Dogma Hunter noted, these are bizarre questions, but I'll take a stab at answering them, as if they were valid.

My key words get me thinking that the poorly educated, the nay-sayers and the lazy, routinely misunderstand, misinterpret and misapply those simple phrases, sometimes by accident, sometimes by design, but always to their own discredit. I find this sad and frustrating in equal measure.

In considering evolution I become ever more enthralled and entranced by its mechanisms, it products, and by what we have yet to learn about it.

One can use the question mark as a tool to ridicule, badger, and blaspheme.
Can you? Really?
 
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Are you suggesting that populations of organisms don't change over time?
Of course not.

I was talking about Genesis 1, when Adam was created from the dust of the ground.
 
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Curious how the teachers of other classes actually ENCOURAGED the practice of asking questions -

It is bizarre that you encountered that. In my experience, albeit long, long ago in an age far gone, most teachers had some things they simply refused to explore with their students. My first taste of a teacher unwilling to answer questions that dealt with a fundamental issue was in a science class and he made it a point in the first class to warn us not to question the theory of evolution as evolution was fact and there could be no question about that and no need for him to prove it to us. I also had a biology teacher that constantly assured us that no question was stupid and then made it clear on several occasions that there actually were many he considered to be. My religion teachers always seemed to have answers to our questions. Not all of those answers made sense to me but they always had answers of some kind. One nun's answer as to why we can break open an egg and not find a baby chick was very inventive and completely ridiculous. When I entered High School the first thing one of the Franciscan teachers said was to ignore everything the nuns told us because most likely it was wrong.
 
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