THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[LoveGodsWord]

Was Jesus in known unrepentant sin when he chose to break the sabbath?

I have full assurance through the Holy Spirit of my salvation. Do you?

Jesus isn't interested in which day someone goes to church. What he wants is relationship, and if you're in that relationship, then it's pretty difficult for someone to talk a person out of it with threats of lawkeeping. "For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

Sorry bekkilyn, that statement has no truth in it and you did not answer the question asked of you. Jesus NEVER broke any of the 10 Commandments otherwise how cold he be our perfect sacrifice? He would not have been able to die for our sins as he would not be sinless and would have had to die for his own.

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.

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Now may I ask you an honest question that you have not answered?

If someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before GOD or an UNSAVED state before God and will they enter into God's KINGDOM?

The honest answer to this question will help with this discussion as Jesus is calling all his Sheep to come out from following man made traditions that break the Commandments of God so that we can have a closer walk with him * Matthew 15:3-9

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God?
Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

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Of course God cares if you keep or break the 4th Commandment. All of God's 10 Commandments give a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (Romans 3:20) If we break any one of the 10 commandments which includes God's 4th Commandment Sabbath we stand before God guilty of sin (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4).

If you do not repent and confess your sins you do not have God's forgiveness and those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will not enter into the KINGDOM of heaven (Habrews 10:26-27).

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

May God help you in his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus did not teach the 4th commandment in the new testament. He mentioned it in the context of other points he was trying to make, but did not teach it as a requirement or command. The command is not anywhere in the new testament or someone would have been able to quote the specific verse long before now.

Sorry bekkilyn, God's Word disagrees with you.

It seems in your view according to the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.....

1. Jesus did not teach that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

2. In your view; Jesus did not teach that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. In your view; Jesus did not teach that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. In your view; Jesus is not our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

5. In your view; was Jesus was lying when he said those that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)

6. In your view; Jesus was lying when he said not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

7. In your view; Jesus was lying when he said that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets? (Matthew 22:36-40)

8. In your view; Paul is not to be believed when he gives us warnings that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD
do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)?

9. In your view; there is only 9 Commandments not 10 and James is lying when he says that if you break one of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12).

10. In your view; the OLD Testament scriptures are not to be BELIEVED, and Timothy is not to be believed when he says ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)

11. In your view; God's 4th Commandment is not one of God's 10 Commandments

Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

May God help you in his Word.

 

[bekkilyn]

Sorry bekkilyn, that statement has no truth in it and you did not answer the question asked of you. Jesus NEVER broke any of the 10 Commandments otherwise how cold he be our perfect sacrifice? He would not have been able to die for our sins as he would not be sinless and would have had to die for his own.

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.

.......................

Now may I ask you an honest question that you have not answered?

If someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before GOD or an UNSAVED state before God and will they enter into God's KINGDOM?

The honest answer to this question will help with this discussion as Jesus is calling all his Sheep to come out from following man made traditions that break the Commandments of God so that we can have a closer walk with him * Matthew 15:3-9

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God?
Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Jesus broke the sabbath and he did not sin. Both are true.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have full assurance through the Holy Spirit of my salvation. Do you?

Good question,

HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD AND HIS SPIRIT?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

linked to...

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

The SABBATH is indeed a gift. It is also God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31)

May God help you Sister bekkilyn, I will pray for you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus broke the sabbath and he did not sin. Both are true.

Sorry bekkilyn,

Your only stating your own Words over God's WORD. God's WORD disagrees with you. How can you brake the Sabbath and not sin? Jesus never broke any of God's Commandments.

He broke the religious leaders of the days interpretation of the Sabbath. Not God's Sabbath. Jesus is the maker of the Sabbath and taught all what the true meaning of the Sabbath was about. Let's look at the scriptures again...

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Sorry bekkilyn, Gods Word disagrees with you again.

 

[bekkilyn]

Sorry bekkilyn, God's Word disagrees with you.

It seems in your view according to the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.....

1. Jesus did not teach that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

2. In your view; Jesus did not teach that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. In your view; Jesus did not teach that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. In your view; Jesus is not our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

5. In your view; was Jesus was lying when he said those that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)

6. In your view; Jesus was lying when he said not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

7. In your view; Jesus was lying when he said that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets? (Matthew 22:36-40)

8. In your view; Paul is not to be believed when he gives us warnings that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD
do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)?

9. In your view; there is only 9 Commandments not 10 and James is lying when he says that if you break one of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12).

10. In your view; the OLD Testament scriptures are not to be BELIEVED, and Timothy is not to be believed when he says ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)

11. In your view; God's 4th Commandment is not one of God's 10 Commandments

Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

May God help you in his Word.

Your interpretation of the written word can disagree all it wants, but my relationship with the *living* Word is secure and my trust is in him.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your interpretation of the written word can disagree all it wants, but my relationship with the *living* Word is secure and my trust is in him.

Not really bekkilyn, you have been provided God's WORD'S. They are God's WORD not mine. You in turn only provide your own words over God's because you have no scripture to share. Neither will you answer any questions asked of you or respond to the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

 

[bekkilyn]

Sorry bekkilyn,

Your only stating your own Words over God's WORD. God's WORD disagrees with you. How can you brake the Sabbath and not sin? Jesus never broke any of God's Commandments.

He broke the religious leaders of the days interpretation of the Sabbath. Not God's Sabbath. Jesus is the maker of the Sabbath and taught all what the true meaning of the Sabbath was about. Let's look at the scriptures again...

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Sorry bekkilyn, Gods Word disagrees with you again.

You are unable to see the forest for the trees.

 

[bekkilyn]

Not really bekkilyn, you have been provided God's WORD'S. They are God's WORD not mine. You in turn only provide your own words over God's because you have no scripture to share for your belief.

Nope, it is your interpretation of God's written word. Might be time to change the lens you are looking though as it seems a bit dusty.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are unable to see the forest for the trees.

I am indeed blind but God's WORD opens the blind to see. None can see except through the eyes of God's WORD. May you perceive...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nope, it is your interpretation of God's written word. Might be time to change the lens you are looking though as it seems a bit dusty.

If you do not BELIEVE God's WORD how can you know him who calls us in love to love another? If your lamp has gone out how can you see the road that is dark and narrow and full of ditches when you have no light to see.

 

[bekkilyn]

If you do not BELIEVE God's WORD how can you know him who calls us in love to love another? If your lamp has gone out how can you see the road that is dark and narrow and full of ditches when you have no light to see.

I do not believe your interpretation of God's written word. There is a very huge difference there.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not believe your interpretation of God's written word. There is a very huge difference there.

Indeed the religious teachers in the days of Jesus and Paul said the same things.
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

God says, the light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word? How can you find your way when your mirror is lost or broken.

Do you know these scriptures and what they mean?

May you perceive and know God's WORD.

 

[bekkilyn]

No one is arguing with you that God's Word is true. It is *your* word that is problematic.

You take God's written word and pervert it to try to get it to say what it doesn't say, but in doing so, you miss the entire message.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Eloy none of the 10 Commandments are ceremonial laws. All the 10 Commandments are Moral laws.

All but one. The Sabbath is moral and ceremonial. Any other commandment involve behavior that's performed in sequence in equal intervals?

 

[Eloy Craft]

What is "sin" according to scripture? Be specific.

To choose a thing as good that is not a good from God.

 

[Saintly Sinner]

When St. Peter's order was still in effect in Rome, God switched the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
For one, it fits perfectly with the Crucifixion. But most importantly, it symbolizes a new day- we're no longer celebrating Creation but rather our completion and a new beginning.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

When St. Peter's order was still in effect in Rome, God switched the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. For one, it fits perfectly with the Crucifixion. But most importantly, it symbolizes a new day- we're no longer celebrating Creation but rather our completion and a new beginning.

Hi Saintly Sinner, nice to meet you here.

Did you have a chance to read the OP? There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says that Gods 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has lead many to break God's Commandments. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. If we willfully and knowingly follow man made traditions that break God's Commandments the Word of God says we are not really following God. * JOHN 15:3-9.

Thanks for your thoughts SS nice to meet you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Words.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All but one. The Sabbath is moral and ceremonial. Any other commandment involve behavior that's performed in sequence in equal intervals?

Hi Eloy, not at all the 10 Commandments involve behaviour therefore are MORAL. The first four are our duty to God. This includes God's 4th Commandment. The second six are our duty towards our fellow man.

God's MORAL law give us a knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong and sin and rightouesness and are our duty to God and our fellow man.

God's 4th Commandment SABBATH is also a MEMORIAL of CREATION and a HOLY day that GOd has commanded his people to set aside in REMEMBRANCE of the God of creation.

See earlier post linked.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Hi Eloy, not at all the 10 Commandments involve behaviour. The first four are our duty to God the second six are our duty towards our fellow man.

The 10 commandments involve behavior. What about coveting? What does coveting behavior look like?