Space suits... the "nail" in the coffin?

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Which is even stronger rebuttal to the idea that the earth is flat and that the idea could be kept hidden from the general public, especially as civilian aircraft could begin flying faster and higher and over longer distances.

And as we get longer and longer flights, including those routes that a few years ago flat earthers said were impossible.

 

[RDKirk]

Wait....are you saying that the entire cold war was a conspiracy?



So in other words, keeping something secret in the face of global information exchange is really difficult. Kind of like how hard it would be for millions of people to stay silent if the Earth was flat?

And...why?

This would have to be a conspiracy that's 2300 years old. Why did the Greeks originate it and why has the world perpetuated it? Who benefits so greatly that all world governments have supported it for thousands of years?

 

[lasthero]

I can see how easy it is to fake a curve...

How would you fake a flat surface?

Weren't you the one claiming that it was all CGI before? That you can't trust any picture, because it COULD be computer generated?

Until the FE erupted on the internet and I even started to hear about it... which was much later... everyone thought that Columbus was sailing to a new world and people were afraid that he would sail off the edge..

Yeah. And they were wrong. History didn't change, what changed was that more people had access to a better understanding of it.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "long before the bible came alone" as to mean before biblical times or before the KJV was put together...

The latter, obviously. The Bible as just about everyone knows it is a fairly recent thing in human history.

Either way, it is my understanding that the FE was a pretty common belief until about 500 or 600 years ago.

Your understanding is pretty incorrect, at least among the educated. The Greeks were clearly well aware of the Earth being round. They wrote about it.

Ya.. how many treaties, with that many countries of that varied of ideals and government types, have lasted that long without being challenged, amended, fought over, broken breached or ignored?

What's there to change or ignore or challenge? It's not like people are fighting over Antarctica for much of anything. It's kind of desolate and empty.

I'm pretty sure that it is no coincidence that all the space agencies are at about the same pace, using similar technology and doing similar things...

You see it all the time. Different countries develop technologies, and other countries develop their own to catch up at their own pace. That doesn't mean that they're conspiring together.

If Apple comes up with some new technology, you can bet that Microsoft will have their version of it made in short time. That doesn't mean that Microsoft and Apple are working together behind the scenes, it just means that, if you want to stay competitive, you have to keep up.

You don't like it but it is a "conspiracy" between the governments.. They are conspiring to do things and not be totally truthful.

While it is certainly true that certain governments work together behind the scenes, there's no evidene it's happening anywhere near to the degree you're suggesting.

LOL... are saying you have never heard this said both ways and understood to mean the same thing?
My work colleges have often joked about stuff like this that is used in the English language...
Have you ever noticed how many times people say "Ya, no........" then continue to respond?

Seriously.. do I lose part marks for that... Tell me you didn't know what I meant.

Oh, I know what you mean. It's still wrong. It doesn't matter if everyone on the planet says it that way, it's still wrong.

North Korea? seriously.... let me know when they do anything more than launch a missile up into the air. They are not in the same league as China, Russia and the US as far as going to "space".

They have satellites in orbit.

Any solid object can cast a shadow. The moon is never full when it is casting it's shadow...

Why?

 

[JacksBratt]

Weren't you the one claiming that it was all CGI before? That you can't trust any picture, because it COULD be computer generated?

Yes, you are right. However, a video of a device, balloon or rocket, from the ground, to high altitude, by an amateur, that shows a flat horizon at the start, no distortion on the edges of the frame throughout the video and no edits or cuts during the entire video playback.... is far more believable than a video that shows a curve on the ground, convex at the top and concave at the bottom, and then has multiple cuts and breaks in the video...then shows the same convex and concave distortions when at high altitude... cannot, IMO, be accurate evidence when dealing with the true state of the horizon.

Yeah. And they were wrong. History didn't change, what changed was that more people had access to a better understanding of it.

I can see your point. However, I don't believe that the "globe" is as old as some are saying. There are numerous records of artifacts depicting a flat earth with a dome over top, I'm not saying that it was only, possibly, 500 years ago but not as far back as some would like either.

 

[JacksBratt]

The latter, obviously. The Bible as just about everyone knows it is a fairly recent thing in human history.

Actually, the bible as we know it may have came along at the time of King James. However, the canon was created from ancient scriptures that Jesus Himself quoted and these are as old as, at least, Moses.

Your understanding is pretty incorrect, at least among the educated. The Greeks were clearly well aware of the Earth being round. They wrote about it.

Again, I think that this is a difficult idea to pin down. Ask anyone when they thought that the popular view of the earth became the globe view and they will almost all state "about 500 - 600 years ago.

What's there to change or ignore or challenge? It's not like people are fighting over Antarctica for much of anything. It's kind of desolate and empty.

Thank you for reinforcing the whole point. If it was "kinda desolate and empty" why would they need a treaty in the first place? Something is unusual about Antarctica. Enough for a treaty, and enough for so many countries to sign up for it and enough for it to last so many years.

 

[JacksBratt]

You see it all the time. Different countries develop technologies, and other countries develop their own to catch up at their own pace. That doesn't mean that they're conspiring together.

So, they all seem to develop the same technology and make the same scientific breakthroughs at and around the same time in history... like some parallel yet not conected chain of discoveries?


Sorry, I don't buy it. But, that's just me.

If Apple comes up with some new technology, you can bet that Microsoft will have their version of it made in short time. That doesn't mean that Microsoft and Apple are working together behind the scenes, it just means that, if you want to stay competitive, you have to keep up.

Again, it's not because Microsoft "discovers" it on their own. They have methods of back engineering products, inter intelligence communication and collaboration between like-minded people.

The truth is... there are no borders within the expanding knowledge and intelligence of technology.
Even in times of war... technology is leaked, extorted or attained in some fashion.

While it is certainly true that certain governments work together behind the scenes, there's no evidene it's happening anywhere near to the degree you're suggesting.

Ah, yes.. because there should be all kinds of evidence that different governments are doing such a thing.... Other than the fact that they all do the same things in pretty much the same way and with the same material and attained the technology at or about the same time.. while they had no communication about such things.. between them.

Oh, I know what you mean. It's still wrong. It doesn't matter if everyone on the planet says it that way, it's still wrong.

Ya,.. no, it's wrong.

They have satellites in orbit.

Really? Do we know this for sure? Space is pretty harsh and we have some radios at work that aren't even 15 years old that people bring in to use in the plant... none of them function properly in all their original capacities. Yet, Satellites have been in space for 25 years or more... extreme temperatures, harsh radiation... solar arrays that usually only last about 15 - 20 years on our relatively temperate climate on the surface of the earth ..

Just say'n .... That's pretty impressive.

But, that's another thread altogether.

Why?

Don't you mean "why not"

This is due to the fact that the moon is only full when it rises when the sun is setting. An eclipse, where the shadow of the moon moved across the earth when the sun was setting... would be impossible.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well, people, this thread has wandered far enough, for me, from the whole concept of a working space suit.

Thanks for posting your arguments.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yet, Satellites have been in space for 25 years or more... extreme temperatures, harsh radiation... solar arrays that usually only last about 15 - 20 years on our relatively temperate climate on the surface of the earth ..

Just say'n .... That's pretty impressive.

Don't you think satellite builders construct them in a way to withstand the environment they're going to be placed in, along with equipment that maintains the instruments on board? People at arctic research facilities live in building with equipment that is there to keep people alive in the harsh cold. Even people who live in northern climates (like me) have homes with heating equipment to keep us alive in the Winter. Don't you believe satellite builders have thought to build satellites with whatever it takes to withstand the environment that exist in orbit?

 

[Aldebaran]

Well, people, this thread has wandered far enough, for me, from the whole concept of a working space suit.

Thanks for posting your arguments.

We eagerly await your next thread. I have some suggestions for titles:

Flat Earth. Fact or fiction?
The Earth is Frisbee. Prove me wrong!
Earth is not a spinning ball flying randomly in space!

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Really? Do we know this for sure? Space is pretty harsh and we have some radios at work that aren't even 15 years old that people bring in to use in the plant... none of them function properly in all their original capacities. Yet, Satellites have been in space for 25 years or more... extreme temperatures, harsh radiation... solar arrays that usually only last about 15 - 20 years on our relatively temperate climate on the surface of the earth ..

Just say'n .... That's pretty impressive.

One of the main enemies of electronics is corrosion.
There's no oxygen in space.

 

[Aldebaran]

One of the main enemies of electronics is corrosion.
There's no oxygen in space.

Some of the more advanced instruments also do better in the cold, and require deep cooling equipment on them (even in space) to keep them functioning.

 

[trunks2k]

Until the FE erupted on the internet and I even started to hear about it... which was much later... everyone thought that Columbus was sailing to a new world and people were afraid that he would sail off the edge..

No. No, they didn't.

The idea that people in Columbus's time thought the world was flat and Columbus would sail off the edge is a total fabrication. That this myth is so pervasive is annoying. People, ESPECIALLY sailors, back then were perfectly aware of the shape of the earth and had a good idea of the size of it. The latter being an important reason why Columbus had a tough time getting backing for his expedition.

Columbus was of the opinion that the Earth was significantly smaller than what most people thought. A smaller Earth means that you can sail west from Europe to get to Asia faster than going around Africa. But a larger Earth means if you head West, that's a longer trip with no known place to stop for re-supply, so a very dangerous trip with no reason to do so. Most people at the time (rightfully) thought the Earth was bigger than Columbus did so they wouldn't fund his trip. Columbus managed to convince the Spanish to give it a shot, so he set off and happened to stumble upon an unknown land mass.

Simply put - Columbus was a fool who got lucky.

ETA: Oops I just noticed this thread is like a month old. Sorry.

 

[RDKirk]

No. No, they didn't.

The idea that people in Columbus's time thought the world was flat and Columbus would sail off the edge is a total fabrication. That this myth is so pervasive is annoying. People, ESPECIALLY sailors, back then were perfectly aware of the shape of the earth and had a good idea of the size of it. The latter being an important reason why Columbus had a tough time getting backing for his expedition.

Columbus was of the opinion that the Earth was significantly smaller than what most people thought. A smaller Earth means that you can sail west from Europe to get to Asia faster than going around Africa. But a larger Earth means if you head West, that's a longer trip with no known place to stop for re-supply, so a very dangerous trip with no reason to do so. Most people at the time (rightfully) thought the Earth was bigger than Columbus did so they wouldn't fund his trip. Columbus managed to convince the Spanish to give it a shot, so he set off and happened to stumble upon an unknown land mass.

Simply put - Columbus was a fool who got lucky.

ETA: Oops I just noticed this thread is like a month old. Sorry.

I had already said all that several weeks ago.

Educated people have not thought the world was flat for 2500 years.

Educated people still don't.

 

[Aldebaran]

I had already said all that several weeks ago.

Educated people have not thought the world was flat for 2500 years.

Educated people still don't.

2500 years later, people are becoming less educated due to relying on Youtube.

 

[Arius]

Here is another concept that raised a question for me. Not for FE but for the agency that is supplying you with most of your proof for the globe.

I am enjoying the research of the people on the net, in regards to the Space agency of NASA, it's purported accomplishments, it's integrity and the way it is an integral card in the concept of the FE and the rabbit hole this takes us down.

Check this out and tell me what you think...

Here is the only video (as far as we FE's could find) of a space suit tested in a vacuum chamber:

But hey, they fixed the problem, and they never had to use a vacuum chamber again, especially the billion dollar taxpayers vacuum chamber which should have a line outside for countries like China, France and Russia to test suits before they send their Astronauts into space again!



From here on in, the NASA pools were sufficient in testing the most critical life-support for Astronauts going into space, and doing space walks; their Space suits which from the tiniest malfunction could spell death.
What a joke, .. testing the suits in water. But it does help the camera crew to film the "ISS live feeds" and space walks.

 

[JacksBratt]

2500 years later, people are becoming less educated due to relying on Youtube.

Of course we are...

Let see... I learned how to change the wheel bearing assemblies on my car. Fix the door handle, trouble shoot my Jacuzzi tub leak, turn my router into a web access point, change the Wifi card in my laptop, take a proper photo of the full moon, the rules of the game of Cricket, what spices are combined to make "herbs de provence", what weed is taking over my garden, why green potatoes can make you sick, how to tile my front landing, how to make jerky.....that cats like to sit in boxes and that skate boarders have some painful wipe outs (OK.. had to put a few nonsensical ones in there)

The list goes on.

Are you sure that the reason for a resurgence in the FE isn't because people are now becoming more educated on the reality of this world?

 

[Aldebaran]

Of course we are...

Let see... I learned how to change the wheel bearing assemblies on my car. Fix the door handle, trouble shoot my Jacuzzi tub leak, turn my router into a web access point, change the Wifi card in my laptop, take a proper photo of the full moon, the rules of the game of Cricket, what spices are combined to make "herbs de provence", what weed is taking over my garden, why green potatoes can make you sick, how to tile my front landing, how to make jerky.....that cats like to sit in boxes and that skate boarders have some painful wipe outs (OK.. had to put a few nonsensical ones in there)

The list goes on.

Are you sure that the reason for a resurgence in the FE isn't because people are now becoming more educated on the reality of this world?

As long as you're going to believe a lie is reality and have no interest in being taught otherwise, then there's no reason to continue having these conversations with you.

 

[JacksBratt]

As long as you're going to believe a lie is reality and have no interest in being taught otherwise, then there's no reason to continue having these conversations with you.

You do realize, Aldebarn, that if the globe is a lie...... then all of us have been believing a lie to be reality. Thus, those that refuse to investigate, have no interest in being taught otherwise.

We really need to have a solid determination, one way or the other, before one can tell the other that they are believing a lie.

I do agree, however, that you and I have exhausted each others points and neither is going to convince the other....

I respect you and your right to your view... all that I ask is that you return that respect as I investigate and personally search for the solid truth in this matter.

 

[Aldebaran]

You do realize, Aldebarn, that if the globe is a lie...... then all of us have been believing a lie to be reality. Thus, those that refuse to investigate, have no interest in being taught otherwise.

We really need to have a solid determination, one way or the other, before one can tell the other that they are believing a lie.

I do agree, however, that you and I have exhausted each others points and neither is going to convince the other....

I respect you and your right to your view... all that I ask is that you return that respect as I investigate and personally search for the solid truth in this matter.

Then why not listen to those who have the means of knowing, and can teach you? https://www.facebook.com/NASA/

You have a choice. You can just dismiss those with knowledge and research as all being liars, or you can learn from them. I don't know about you, but I learn from those who know more than I do.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Here is the only video (as far as we FE's could find) of a space suit tested in a vacuum chamber:

But hey, they fixed the problem, and they never had to use a vacuum chamber again, especially the billion dollar taxpayers vacuum chamber which should have a line outside for countries like China, France and Russia to test suits before they send their Astronauts into space again!

From here on in, the NASA pools were sufficient in testing the most critical life-support for Astronauts going into space, and doing space walks; their Space suits which from the tiniest malfunction could spell death.
What a joke, .. testing the suits in water. But it does help the camera crew to film the "ISS live feeds" and space walks.

I love this.

I mean, apart from the fact that the ISS isn't a NASA installation, but who cares when Americans think everything is American....

No, what I love is the idea that NASA could fake all their missions, moon landings, the ISS, space walks etc, but instead of faking a series of vacuum chamber tests, they decide to use a pool and give flat earthers a reason to question the whole conspiracy.

Couldn't fake a vacuum chamber....filled (or not) with air.....which is invisible....