Scientific vs Wrong

[AV1611VET]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

 

[AirPo]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

Of course. You've posted here long enough to know this is nothing more than a troll thread.

 

[Brightmoon]

Of course science can be wrong . Look how long the powers that be believed in geocentricism . Lysenkoism was accepted in the former USSR instead of natural selection and basing their agricultural practices on that pseudoscience caused the deaths by starvation of millions . Frankly, I’m scared that’s going to happen in the USA , given the fact that creationists want their pseudoscience versions of evolution taught in public schools here .

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

Obviously yes. Most of the time, every day.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

Every 200 years or so everything we believed scientifically to be true has been turned upside down. It’s almost time again.....

Not that those who ignore history will ever admit. Everytime we think we got it all figured out, click..... a new light bulb flicks on..... and we start all over again.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Of course science can be wrong . Look how long the powers that be believed in geocentricism . Lysenkoism was accepted in the former USSR instead of natural selection and basing their agricultural practices on that pseudoscience caused the deaths by starvation of millions . Frankly, I’m scared that’s going to happen in the USA , given the fact that creationists want their pseudoscience versions of evolution taught in public schools here .

Hmm, got us to where we are at today just fine. Founded our country.

In fact, society has gone downhill since 1962. Family values are virtually non-existent. How many of your neighbors do you even actually know?

At least creation actually fits the facts. But we’ve discussed your illogically equating a theory to being actual science in another thread. Theory is NOT science.

 

[Tanj]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

No, it can't. If it is scientific it is, by definition, right.

Here's an example:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/24/health/viagra-clinical-trial-stopped-baby-deaths-bn/index.html

 

[Brightmoon]

Hmm, got us to where we are at today just fine. Founded our country.

In fact, society has gone downhill since 1962. Family values are virtually non-existent. How many of your neighbors do you even actually know?

At least creation actually fits the facts. But we’ve discussed your illogically equating a theory to being actual science in another thread. Theory is NOT science.

. Theories aren’t guesses . Which creationist idea fits the facts ? I haven’t seen one yet . Point it out please . If you mean the silly newspeak definitions you routinely give out , those are nonsense.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes, just slightly less so than being Athiest and ignorant at the same time.

But maybe that’s what causes unprovoked attacks not addressing the subject of the post????

The subject of the OP is tripe. You get what you give, eh.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

Yes, a scientific theory can be wrong, if by 'wrong' you mean incorrect. Scientific theories can't be proven correct but can be proven incorrect.

Scientific hypotheses are often shown to be wrong.

But there are different kinds of wrong - someone who thinks the Earth is flat is a different order of wrong from someone who thinks the Earth is a sphere.

 

[Brightmoon]

Yes, a scientific theory can be wrong, if by 'wrong' you mean incorrect. Scientific theories can't be proven correct but can be proven incorrect.

Scientific hypotheses are often shown to be wrong.

But there are different kinds of wrong - someone who thinks the Earth is flat is a different order of wrong from someone who thinks the Earth is a sphere.

. In fact the real shape of the earth shows that it was cobbled together out of smaller bolides. It’s roundish but also kinda lumpy. That disproves the young earth nonsense.

 

[Doveaman]

Can something be scientific and wrong at the same time?

Impossible.

Science is about explaining facts, and facts are never wrong, therefore science is never wrong.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

. Theories aren’t guesses . Which creationist idea fits the facts ? I haven’t seen one yet . Point it out please . If you mean the silly newspeak definitions you routinely give out , those are nonsense.

I've pointed them out a hundred times, you all just keep ignoring them in your cognative dissonance.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Impossible.

Science is about explaining facts, and facts are never wrong, therefore science is never wrong.

That's what Ptolemy thought too.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Yes, a scientific theory can be wrong, if by 'wrong' you mean incorrect. Scientific theories can't be proven correct but can be proven incorrect.

Scientific hypotheses are often shown to be wrong.

But there are different kinds of wrong - someone who thinks the Earth is flat is a different order of wrong from someone who thinks the Earth is a sphere.

Or that orbits are circles instead of spirals?

 

[Brightmoon]

I've pointed them out a hundred times, you all just keep ignoring them in your cognative dissonance.

you’ve only listed common creationist disinformation ideas . You haven’t come up with any real reason to discredit the actual theories of evolution. It’s not MY. Cognitive dissonance that is the problem here , it’s YOUR ignorance of science

 

[Justatruthseeker]

you’ve only listed common creationist disinformation ideas . You haven’t come up with any real reason to discredit the actual theories of evolution. It’s not MY. Cognitive dissonance that is the problem here , it’s YOUR ignorance of science

I'm not the one that ignores that fossils remain the same across millions of years, and then has to throw in imaginary common ancestors because they didn't change....

 

[dzheremi]

That's kind of the point of science, since the essence of a scientific experiment is that it be reproducible and falsifiable -- i.e., able to be proven wrong. If you do something that cannot be reproduced or cannot be proven false, then whatever it is you are doing is not science.

In a utilitarian view, science exists to be proven wrong as a means of moving forward the boundaries of scientific knowledge. So the real danger is not in being wrong -- that's to be expected sooner or later if you've actually done science -- but in falling into "not even wrong" territory:

The phrase "not even wrong" describes an argument or explanation that purports to be scientific but is based on invalid reasoning or speculative premises that can neither be proven correct nor falsified. Hence, it refers to statements that cannot be discussed in a rigorous, scientific sense.[1] For a meaningful discussion on whether a certain statement is true or false, the statement must satisfy the criterion called "falsifiability"—the inherent possibility for the statement to be tested and found false. In this sense, the phrase "not even wrong" is synonymous to "nonfalsifiable".[1]

The phrase is generally attributed to theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for his colorful objections to incorrect or careless thinking.[2][3] Rudolf Peierls documents an instance in which "a friend showed Pauli the paper of a young physicist which he suspected was not of great value but on which he wanted Pauli's views. Pauli remarked sadly, 'It is not even wrong'."[4] This is also often quoted as "That is not only not right; it is not even wrong"​

 

[Doveaman]

No, it can't. If it is scientific it is, by definition, right.

Here's an example:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/24/health/viagra-clinical-trial-stopped-baby-deaths-bn/index.html

Your link begins with: "Dutch researchers stopped a clinical trial due to the deaths of 11 babies from a lung disease after their mothers were treated with the drug sildenafil"

Was it scientifically right to treat their mothers with the drug sildenafil"?

 

[Doveaman]

That's kind of the point of science, since the essence of a scientific experiment is that it be reproducible and falsifiable -- i.e., able to be proven wrong.

That's the weakness of science; it is able to be proven wrong, but never able to be proven right.